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red24O · 10-30-2009, 01:40 PM

james did i not tell you.. you are not allowed to break! well thats the end of that. send me the keys and title asap that bucket is getting compfensapted

Ciotti · 10-30-2009, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Red3KGT

I do understand what Ciotti is saying. Hes not saying that it will handle like **** necessarily, but rather that your going to sacrific ride quality on the street which is where everybodys car is driven 90% of the time.

He says that while it may function on the track it will not be a practical street car where it has to deal with uneven surfaces, unlike the prepped surfaces of the track. On the street, for a comfortable ride you still need adequate suspension travel to deal w/ bumps, potholes etc...

This whole debate over slammed cars is stupid. He never didnt say that slammed cars suck, but more or less slammed STREET cars suck in terms of ride quality

EXACTLY!!!!!!
Although I will admit that track surfaces are rougher than most people would ever believe, they're definitely not glass smooth like they are in video games so you definitely still need some suspension travel to suck those bumps up especially when you're running autocross lines and putting the car way up on the curbing

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Originally Posted by bl@ckvr4

Also, whoever thinks that lowering a car is detrimental to performance, has never driven a DSM with stock suspension VS a lowered DSM. A properly lowered DSM can compete with an Evolution in terms of handling.

Lowered is different than slammed, lowering cars an inch or so typically doesn't throw the geometry off enough to offset the benefit of that lower CG. It's when you slam a car 2+ inches down that all hell breaks loose.

One of the most common misconceptions when slamming a car is that it handles better because it "feels" like it's handling better. All you are feeling is that it's not leaning as much because of the higher spring rate or the fact that it's sitting on the bump stops, it's not until you put that car on a skidpad or run it at an autocross/track day you will see the decrease in performance, but most "car guys" will never do that anyway so they'll never know. This is one of the main reasons it is always suggested that people autocross their cars stock first so that they will have a baseline to compare their mods (they will inevitably install) to.

bl@ckvr4 · 10-30-2009, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ciotti

Lowered is different than slammed, lowering cars an inch or so typically doesn't throw the geometry off enough to offset the benefit of that lower CG. It's when you slam a car 2+ inches down that all hell breaks loose.

One of the most common misconceptions when slamming a car is that it handles better because it "feels" like it's handling better. All you are feeling is that it's not leaning as much because of the higher spring rate or the fact that it's sitting on the bump stops, it's not until you put that car on a skidpad or run it at an autocross/track day you will see the decrease in performance, but most "car guys" will never do that anyway so they'll never know. This is one of the main reasons it is always suggested that people autocross their cars stock first so that they will have a baseline to compare their mods (they will inevitably install) to.

Oh. I thought you guys were arguing about just lowering cars in general. Now that this is made clear to me, I would have to agree with you. I think lowering a car to the point where it is scraping the ground is definitely pernicious toward handling performance. I think it can look nice, but from a functional standpoint, I don't think it's a good idea.

sean3 · 10-30-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by red24O

james did i not tell you.. you are not allowed to break! well thats the end of that. send me the keys and title asap that bucket is getting compfensapted

If we ever had a BBmeet spelling bee, you would win. Hands down.

///chrism3 · 10-30-2009, 02:32 PM

Ciotti my m3 is slamed and it rides and hold onto every lil turn amazing..the sti is semi lowered(wouldnt say slammed) rides like a dream

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Originally Posted by bl@ckvr4

Oh. I thought you guys were arguing about just lowering cars in general. Now that this is made clear to me, I would have to agree with you. I think lowering a car to the point where it is scraping the ground is definitely pernicious toward handling performance. I think it can look nice, but from a functional standpoint, I don't think it's a good idea.

the race car is slamed and it handles and scraps ever lil bump

my trailer isnt slamed and it can still take a turn

///chrism3 · 10-30-2009, 02:38 PM

double post...this car is sooo clean dustin buy it http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=1874175

boostinsidewayz · 10-30-2009, 02:51 PM

cepa, see the slammed wagon? that pic is for you?

way to bail again yesterday ricer

Ciotti · 10-30-2009, 02:52 PM

Christ, that's the exact body style Silvia I wanted so bad back when I was in college and no one even knew what a Silvia was

///chrism3 · 10-30-2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by boostinsidewayz

cepa, see the slammed wagon? that pic is for you?

way to bail again yesterday ricer

i see your slamed wagon and i raise u

///chrism3 · 10-30-2009, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ciotti

Christ, that's the exact body style Silvia I wanted so bad back when I was in college when no one even knew what a Silvia was

wanna go half?

boostinsidewayz · 10-30-2009, 02:56 PM

motorvated · 10-30-2009, 02:58 PM

Being slammed sucks. Comfy stock suspension ftw

Ciotti · 10-30-2009, 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by ///chrism3

wanna go half?

Screw that, I've seen the light since college and no v8 = no interest for me

boostinsidewayz · 10-30-2009, 03:11 PM

caterham??

liberta · 10-30-2009, 03:21 PM

Can i play slammed car by way of ramp/curb?

///chrism3 · 10-30-2009, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by boostinsidewayz

id give u props if the front wheels were floating lol

sean3 · 10-30-2009, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ciotti

Screw that, I've seen the light since college and no v8 = no interest for me

I'm sure it fits in an S15 as well...

boostinsidewayz · 10-30-2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ///chrism3

id give u props if the front wheels were floating lol

they were getting close

Ciotti · 10-30-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by boostinsidewayz

caterham??

Shhhhhhh

I'm hoping that it will be so light that the inline 4 will feel like an 8

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Originally Posted by sean3

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/cc271/hondatech-friday/nissan/P1020407.jpg

I'm sure it fits in an S15 as well...

Great, an engine that you know I hate in a car that I've been forced to hate by it's explosion in popularity

rturbo 930 · 10-30-2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ciotti

Great, an engine that you know I hate in a car that I've been forced to hate by it's explosion in popularity

There's a good reasons it's so popular ya know.

10-30-2009, 01:40 PM	#1021
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