Sonic OC friendly?

[Xavier]

Originally Posted by grimm

but the jack ass that grabs the publicly seen gun from said person.... whats his story since you seem to know how everyone and everything will act and play out?

point is, no one KNOWS what could happen, thats the problem.

there is a time and place for everything and I don't think a gun at a make a wish foundation meet is the proper time or place to display "your right to bear arms"

I have NEVER heard of a case where someone grabbed a civilians firearm. Police, on the other hand, have had it happen a lot. Maybe you should go whine about the cops carrying openly.

[Oakes]

Hi Dave!

Keep arguing everyone, I like seeing the points made, I'm dead serious.

I'm still buying a gun, so I'm with the OP and his friends.

[PAFirefighter11]

Originally Posted by Xavier

I have NEVER heard of a case where someone grabbed a civilians firearm. Police, on the other hand, have had it happen a lot. Maybe you should go whine about the cops carrying openly.

I haven't either. You can't just "grab" my pistol either. There are security features in place that allow only I to pull my pistol on my Kydex holster, and there's also clips on my Blackhawk leather holster to deter someone from just "grabbing" it.

Speaking of which, I know thieves have balls, but if you go to grab someone's weapon, and you fail, you could end up dead. That is a threat to that person's life, and lethal force would be justified in that case in my mind (I AM NOT A LAWYER!).

[SpEcRv9]

Originally Posted by PAFirefighter11

That is a threat to that person's life, and lethal force would be justified in that case in my mind (I AM NOT A LAWYER!).

I wouldn't try it, alex would beat you down and kick your ass with your own clip before you even knew what hit you

[igo4bmx]

Originally Posted by SpEcRv9

I wouldn't try it, alex would beat you down and kick your ass with your own clip before you even knew what hit you

I'm gonna OC alex and strap him to my belt- you guys better be nice to me!

[rodder]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

Just verify that he has whatever permits, ect are needed.

So you'd be OK with the police randomly stopping drivers just to be sure they have their driver's license, reg and insurance? There's this little thing called th 4th amendment, it'd be great if more people actually knew what it meant, especially cops.

Originally Posted by sundaybikes

I never understood why someone would feel the need to open carry, ever. Especially at something like a car meet in humble morgantown. Some idiot on honda-tech was persistent on getting into an argument with me and a few others who are going to the sonic meet, then comes out saying he's army trained and will open carry at sonic. I don't feel threatened I just don't see why people are so concerned with fulfilling the 2nd amendment.

It's not like we have militia's anymore.

wow there's a lot of fail in this thread...

What business is it of yours how an individual chooses to protect himself? I'm sure there are plenty of people who would never feel the need to modify their vehicles. Do you feel that is reason enough to condemn vehicle modifications? As for the militia comment, we do indeed have a militia, and like it or not, you are part of it (http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/10...1----000-.html), and according to the constitution, should be trained in arms and be prepared to defend your state should the need ever arise.

Originally Posted by omgjacki

I will be the first and loudest to state that I'm deathly afraid of these things so if you think it'll be okay to OC with thousands of people around, GTFO. I will make a big deal about it.

I'm just curious. Why are you so deathly afraid of an inanimate object? Do you freak out whenever the police are around? I'm being serious here. Also, do you really think making a "big deal" about a person minding their own business but openly carrying a firearm is an appropriate reaction to a perfectly legal activity? Maybe we ought to restrict the 1st amendment just like the 2nd, so people can't cause a scene by shouting at normal people who have simply chosen to take responsibility for their own personal safety and that of their loved ones.

and just to be clear, I do not and have never OC'd, nor will I be OCing to the sonic meet. I do however fully support the rights of those who wish to do so. I really wish people would just mind their own damn business.

[PAFirefighter11]

Originally Posted by rodder

I'm just curious. Why are you so deathly afraid of an inanimate object? Do you freak out whenever the police are around? I'm being serious here.

She must be scared of cars too! Vehicle related deaths account for more deaths than gun related deaths in the US. But hey, we all have our fears.

[SpEcRv9]

Originally Posted by igo4bmx

I'm gonna OC alex and strap him to my belt- you guys better be nice to me!

HEY MAN!, no need to get dangerous on us. We're just talking about OC'ing here...no need to bring alex into this

[SpEcRv9]

Originally Posted by PAFirefighter11

She must be scared of cars too! Vehicle related deaths account for more deaths than gun related deaths in the US.

I'm afraid of cars, especially hundreds of illegally modified ones....If I see them at sonic I will freak out and call the cops on all of you.

[Elliott18t]

if your going to carry, please just CC, out of respect. You dont need to flash it around.

[Willdue]

Aaron, lets race people in the ****box for gun slips

[PAFirefighter11]

Originally Posted by SpEcRv9

I'm afraid of cars, especially hundreds of illegally modified ones....If I see them at sonic I will freak out and call the cops on all of you.

[rodder]

Originally Posted by PAFirefighter11

I haven't either. You can't just "grab" my pistol either. There are security features in place that allow only I to pull my pistol on my Kydex holster, and there's also clips on my Blackhawk leather holster to deter someone from just "grabbing" it.

Speaking of which, I know thieves have balls, but if you go to grab someone's weapon, and you fail, you could end up dead. That is a threat to that person's life, and lethal force would be justified in that case in my mind (I AM NOT A LAWYER!).

Lethal force is indeed justified when responding to a gun grab attempt. There is existing case-law precedence on this.

[rodder]

Originally Posted by Elliott18t

if your going to carry, please just CC, out of respect. You dont need to flash it around.

I totally and 100% see where you're coming from. It's a reasonable position. However, respect goes both ways. IMO, it is just as disrespectful for you to ask someone to change their carry method as it would be for someone to open carry at an event against the organizer's wishes.

BTW, I have never met an OCer who chooses to carry that way in order to "flash it around". For most it's a matter of comfort and ease of access.

[PAFirefighter11]

Originally Posted by rodder

Lethal force is indeed justified when responding to a gun grab attempt. There is existing case-law precedence on this.

That's what I figured, but it's good to hear there was already a case on this.

[PAFirefighter11]

Originally Posted by rodder

I totally and 100% see where you're coming from. It's a reasonable position. However, respect goes both ways. IMO, it is just as disrespectful for you to ask someone to change their carry method as it would be for someone to open carry at an event against the organizer's wishes.

BTW, I have never met an OCer who chooses to carry that way in order to "flash it around". For most it's a matter of comfort and ease of access.

That's like asking people with V8's not to show up 'cause I am scared of them. I too understand from other people's points of view, but it's whatever to whoever is carrying. IF I show on the bike it may be showing, if it rains I may not go or may come in the Jeep. If I show in the Jeep, it'll be CC 'cause that's what I am more comfortable with.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by rodder

I totally and 100% see where you're coming from. It's a reasonable position. However, respect goes both ways. IMO, it is just as disrespectful for you to ask someone to change their carry method as it would be for someone to open carry at an event against the organizer's wishes.

BTW, I have never met an OCer who chooses to carry that way in order to "flash it around". For most it's a matter of comfort and ease of access.

If people are that worried they need psych treatment to feel the need to walk arround with a gun. Also, when was the last time you or anyone for that matter needed one for self defense.

[rodder]

oh yeah, and just to throw a little fuel on the fire, I believe Dr. Sigmund Freud hit the nail on the head when he said,

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

[PAFirefighter11]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

If people are that worried they need psych treatment to feel the need to walk arround with a gun. Also, when was the last time you or anyone for that matter needed one for self defense.

I can't remember the last time I needed a seatbelt, but I still wear it every day I get into any vehicle. Why? Because I have seen what can happen if you don't wear a seatbelt. It's my decision to wear a seatbelt. Not everyone wears one. Why carry a weapon? It's a personal decision, just like a seatbelt. MY decision, not yours.

[igo4bmx]

Originally Posted by rodder

oh yeah, and just to throw a little fuel on the fire, I believe Dr. Sigmund Freud hit the nail on the head when he said,

"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."

people fear what they aren't familiar with. A non gun owner is quite hesitant to see a gun out in the open.

you can say the same with an airplane- i get nervous on flights all the time, while my friend who is a pilot for US airways laughs that i do.