Will Asher roth Succeed if Eminem releases a new album?

[GHost240SX]

Originally Posted by deb38

So you are telling me Asher Roth isn't a rapper, but he is a hip-hopper? So when I bootleg his music and classify it under a genre, it should be listed under "hip-hop"?

Hip-hop is pretty much rap.

If he wasn't meant for the masses, why is he trying to sell himself to record labels? Why is he being publicized? Asher Roth is basically another Eminem. Sure he doesn't look the same, or "rap" about the same topics, but at the end of the day, they are both "rappers" that are doing the same schtick.

We are comparing green apples to red apples.

Hip-hop is a genre. Hip-hop is not rap anyone who truly understands music and the differences in genres understand that hip hop and rap are two COMPLETElY different genre.

Hip-hop is the voice of the youth, the experienced, its for those who seek something more than money and fame. They are the ones who do it for the music and for the people that truly appreciate it. Like Lupe Fiasco, Talib Kweli, Common, Pras, and etc. Rappers are those who want to emulate Tony Montana and the scarface mantra. Everyone is a gangster, has money, done dirt and still in the streets. Everyone has an alias and will kill for whatever reason. It is an imaginary world. They are those that do blur/skirt the lines between the two. Jay-Z does it often, nas too. But alot of people are to dumbed down to listen to the music and see the difference. Hell listen to the ****ing Cool by Lupe. Or his mixtapes. THAT IS HIP HOP. Now then listen to a ****ing Jim Jones album. THAT IS RAP.

[clay]

Originally Posted by Oakes

I will admit that it's good for him that he's gotten out there this big, but I just don't think he is good and that his style of music is just not original nor good. He's basically just talking with a beat in the background, he's not a rapper I gathered that much but I don't see him lasting long off of one song.

your right. i mean i dont see anybody lasting off one song, thats why artists put out albums, like asher is goin to do on the 20th. and i love college is his grabber song . he like many other artist put out a song that will explode in the media right away to bring people in and to get his name out. its just the first single off "asleep in the bread isle" there will be a 2nd and 3rd. just like there is with every other artist. and you cant base someones style off one song

[GHost240SX]

Originally Posted by jjm4life

^^ i knew youd bring food into this somehow, just didnt think it would be fruit. o and Derek, tech n9ne played my bar mitzvah

hes a rapper. white as white can be. and a jew too. that just makes it even funnier for me. him and andy samberg, its clearly for fun. i bet he doesnt take himself nearly as seriously as eminem and would probobly laugh if he saw this thread.

he doesn't I can tell you that much. My buddy has been friends with Asher for a couple years. And he's an all around chill dude. He's just another college kid.

Originally Posted by clay

your right. i mean i dont see anybody lasting off one song, thats why artists put out albums, like asher is goin to do on the 20th. and i love college is his grabber song . he like many other artist put out a song that will explode in the media right away to bring people in and to get his name out. its just the first single off "asleep in the bread isle" there will be a 2nd and 3rd. just like there is with every other artist. and you cant base someones style off one song

Precisely

[jjm4life]

you know what my favorite part of the music i listen to is? that nobody can sit and debate the artists integrity. thank go jebus for the jam band.

[Oakes]

Lupe Fiasco has some good stuff, if you go into the lyrics of it all, as does Common. I, as well as a good bit of my friends, can not take Asher seriously. Around here people seem to be ass raping the fact that he is from the area, giving him all this hype and to be honest it's all hype. I want to see him come up with something original from the ground up AND not sound like he is talking with someone elses beat in the back ground while sounding good.

[GHost240SX]

Originally Posted by Oakes

Lupe Fiasco has some good stuff, if you go into the lyrics of it all, as does Common. I, as well as a good bit of my friends, can not take Asher seriously. Around here people seem to be ass raping the fact that he is from the area, giving him all this hype and to be honest it's all hype. I want to see him come up with something original from the ground up AND not sound like he is talking with someone elses beat in the back ground while sounding good.

Mix tapes. People around here did the same **** for bam. But only time will tell asher is part of a change.

[Oakes]

Originally Posted by clay

your right. i mean i dont see anybody lasting off one song, thats why artists put out albums, like asher is goin to do on the 20th. and i love college is his grabber song . he like many other artist put out a song that will explode in the media right away to bring people in and to get his name out. its just the first single off "asleep in the bread isle" there will be a 2nd and 3rd. just like there is with every other artist. and you cant base someones style off one song

you of all the people in this thread know that I have heard his other stuff, I love college is his one song that grabbed people like you said which is what I was reffering to, not just putting out one song in general. If thats the best he can do to grab people then he won't last long because that one isn't that good. Yeah, its awesome because we all get ****faced on the weekend and wake up next to a no name girl and bounce and we relate to that. Once people get over hearing that, theyre going to realize the quality of the music is on par with the toothless harmonica player on the corner of High and Market streets aiming for pennies.

[deb38]

Originally Posted by GHost240SX

Hip-hop is a genre. Hip-hop is not rap anyone who truly understands music and the differences in genres understand that hip hop and rap are two COMPLETElY different genre.

Hip-hop is the voice of the youth, the experienced, its for those who seek something more than money and fame. They are the ones who do it for the music and for the people that truly appreciate it. Like Lupe Fiasco, Talib Kweli, Common, Pras, and etc. Rappers are those who want to emulate Tony Montana and the scarface mantra. Everyone is a gangster, has money, done dirt and still in the streets. Everyone has an alias and will kill for whatever reason. It is an imaginary world. They are those that do blur/skirt the lines between the two. Jay-Z does it often, nas too. But alot of people are to dumbed down to listen to the music and see the difference. Hell listen to the ****ing Cool by Lupe. Or his mixtapes. THAT IS HIP HOP. Now then listen to a ****ing Jim Jones album. THAT IS RAP.

Your definition of rap is too subjective. You claim some people are rappers because they talk about the streets and are all about the money n ho's. But guys like Nas are only sort of rappers because they talk about killin bitches but they aren't in it for the money.

I sort of see where you are coming from, but that doesn't really differentiate Asher Roth from Eminem. As I don't see Eminem being all about the ho's and bling.

[GHost240SX]

Originally Posted by Oakes

you of all the people in this thread know that I have heard his other stuff, I love college is his one song that grabbed people like you said which is what I was reffering to, not just putting out one song in general. If thats the best he can do to grab people then he won't last long because that one isn't that good. Yeah, its awesome because we all get ****faced on the weekend and wake up next to a no name girl and bounce and we relate to that. Once people get over hearing that, theyre going to realize the quality of the music is on par with the toothless harmonica player on the corner of High and Market streets aiming for pennies.

Its like any other artist. And its his demographic. Plus the hype is because no one really makes it out of WC. Its a trap

[Oakes]

Originally Posted by GHost240SX

Its like any other artist. And its his demographic. Plus the hype is because no one really makes it out of WC. Its a trap

I understand, and youre right on both parts lol. Like I said, I want to hear him put something good out that isn't a mixtape and is all him, because I don't see much out of him right now.

[clay]

well unless u dabble around the mixtape scene u wont see much. nixt time ur over for sexy time ill play ya some

[GHost240SX]

Originally Posted by deb38

Your definition of rap is too subjective. You claim some people are rappers because they talk about the streets and are all about the money n ho's. But guys like Nas are only sort of rappers because they talk about killin bitches but they aren't in it for the money.

I sort of see where you are coming from, but that doesn't really differentiate Asher Roth from Eminem. As I don't see Eminem being all about the ho's and bling.

Im basing this on lyrical content. I've listened to asher roths mixtapes and ems. Asher DOES not take this **** seriously. Listen to the song "The day I got crowned". It shows that, Em on some songs hits valid points but at other times just rips someone to shreds. The more he put out the more he moved away from his roots. I can see an EARLY em bein like asher but not the em now. Too different in my eyes.

The mixtape scene is actually the best place to discover good music. Its cheap easy and efficient in getting in touch with TRUE artists. Mixtapes aren't just over someone else's beats. Alot of the time its original beats or mash ups. Hell check out Lupe's work with the Gorillaz

[clay]

Originally Posted by GHost240SX

no one really makes it out of WC. Its a trap

i chuckled

[jjm4life]

im all about hoes and bling. does that mean i should rap? i think i should give it a shot.

[djb5118]

Originally Posted by GHost240SX

Im basing this on lyrical content. I've listened to asher roths mixtapes and ems. Asher DOES not take this **** seriously. Listen to the song "The day I got crowned". It shows that, Em on some songs hits valid points but at other times just rips someone to shreds. The more he put out the more he moved away from his roots. I can see an EARLY em bein like asher but not the em now. Too different in my eyes.

The mixtape scene is actually the best place to discover good music. Its cheap easy and efficient in getting in touch with TRUE artists. Mixtapes aren't just over someone else's beats. Alot of the time its original beats or mash ups. Hell check out Lupe's work with the Gorillaz

i agree with you that asher is nothing like em....

[GHost240SX]

Originally Posted by clay

i chuckled

Dude its true. I ****ing HATE THIS TOWN. People act like they are famous and have a right to everything. Its even worse at the bars. And people that leave come back cause they can't survive elsewhere. I'm so happy I wasn't born or raised here.

[clay]

Originally Posted by GHost240SX

I'm so happy I wasn't born or raised here.

i was

but i totally agree with you

[Oakes]

Originally Posted by GHost240SX

I'm so happy I wasn't born or raised here.

Me too, south philly > west chester haha.

[GHost240SX]

Originally Posted by Oakes

Me too, south philly > west chester haha.

B-more and Ann Arbor Michigan for the win

[Oakes]

jesus, I couldnt live anywhere colder than here.