McCain and his [derogatory namecalling of newly chosen VP Sarah Palin]

[sean3]

Originally Posted by Uberu

If he's ever been to the zoo then he has, in fact, seen them in real life. Sean3, that's a pretty ignorant statement, it is that type of attitude which explains why humans have made so many animals extinct.

Sorry, i forgot about the zoo. I still stand by the rest of my statement. I'm perfectly content being "ignorant" and a "cold hearted bitch"

[PhillySVT]

Originally Posted by Vr-4-Life

She is also sueing the federal government over listing the polar bears as a threatened species. The science was even compelling enough to convince the Secretery of the Interior that the bears needed to be listed. But acknowlegement of this issue, and the potential disruption to development on Alaska’s oil-rich north slope spurred Palin to attempt to stop the listing.
Does she want to open ANWR? Yes. Every politician in Alaska wants to open ANWR. It’s basically a requirement if you ever hope to get elected for anything. Even Mark Begich, the progressive Democrat running against the indicted Senator and Alaskan institution Ted Stevens, is pro-drilling. That’s the sea we swim in up here. There are a few anti-drilling folks, but you have to look hard to find them, and work hard to have them admit it.



unbelieveable. cold hearted bitch

Honestly......nevermind not worth it.

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by Uberu

Hmmmm, I'm pretty sure that health care is a necessity to the millions of older americans who need help paying for the prescriptions that keep them alive and healthy. So you're saying you wouldn't appreciate affordable health care if you had none and had cancer? Bull****.

In a free country why should your health be the concern of someone else's paycheck. I know that I don't want to be someone else's financial burden. Health insurance is a scam. Doctors are just business people who will negotiate a better deal for folks without insurance. They will also sell you the flavor of the week(whatever prescription is paying out most) if you have insurance, to make your 'problems' go away whether you have a 'problem' or not.

I always get a good laugh at the amount of people that complain about health care costs. Yet the average American won't complain about the cost of the massive plasma TV in their house, or the insane cable bill that feeds it. How about that $200 cell phone that the average American buys with the average $50+/month service bill?? What about that modded car you are driving(that is why you are on this forum, right?) modded cars are cheap, right?? I could go on and on. Health care is rediculously overpriced and we should let the corrupt goverment take control of it!!!! That, my friend, is Bull****!

Back to the topic. The more I read about Palin, the more I like her. A much better choice than DC's favorite whore named Biden.

[Uberu]

Did i ever say i didn't have health insurance? What about the single mother of three who works two jobs and has none of the luxuries that you mentioned above and has no health insurance because she can't afford it. On top of that, what if one or two of her kids had health problems...the people of this country aren't willing to help out their fellow compatriot?

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by Uberu

Did i ever say i didn't have health insurance? What about the single mother of three who works two jobs and has none of the luxuries that you mentioned above and has no health insurance because she can't afford it. On top of that, what if one or two of her kids had health problems...the people of this country aren't willing to help out their fellow compatriot?

I didn't mean to single you out, just the general population that complains about it. I am always willing to help with my own private donations, not gov't controlled nonsense that wastes more than it is worth. What if I have situations within my own family that I need to address before helping someone elses??? I have a sister in Puerto Rico with a daughter that has Downs. Her husband doesn't make a lot of cash and they barely have enough to survive at times, but they survive without holding their hand out for gubbment help. I have another sister living in Manayunk. She just lost her husband to cancer, making her the single mother of three that you just described. She is also doing what she needs to do to make things happen. She isn't holding her hand out for help, instead she works and is starting a small school for the industry that she works in. Not handouts and I never hear a complaint out of her.

Or, maybe you are thinking of the single mother of three, that is in her situation because she can't keep her legs closed up and she has no clue who the father(s) are. I have zero sympathy or tolerance for that crap.

Universal health care fails everytime. Just ask a Canadian or look at the teeth of someone British

We are in the land of the free. I don't want to hear excuses that you can't make it in this country without gov't handouts.

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by PhillySVT

Honestly......nevermind not worth it.

LOL

I browsed through the posts and was going to type the same thing.

[Uberu]

Ok that is a pretty good response. But can you say that your sisters wouldn't appreciate free healthcare? Its not like they're a drain on society, they are both working hard to stay afloat. Another scenario, what about a functional handicap who can't find a job good enough to support his needs...not wants, like going to a titty club every tuesday...but actually needs?

I guess we can keep two related topics in this thread. Lots of people are saying that Palin is too inexperienced to handle the country if McCain "dropped dead" and the common conservative response to that is, "he won't, you're dumb, long live McCain" But, 3 of the past 12 presidents have died in office (.250) and since McCain is an old head, his chances of illness place him at an even higher risk for death. But it doesn't even have to be death...maybe something just bad enough to make his duties as president impossible to handle. So, the situation where Palin is put in charge of this country is not so far fetched, and scares the hell out of me. What i am NOT saying is that Biden would be my choice to take charge if Obama was taken out, but i think i would rather have him of Palin.

The real problem is very, very simple. Also so simple it seems stupid. We need more than two (i know we do but they aren't popular enough) political parties. There are way too many different types of people in this country with different problems to assume that one of two people can answer the majority of them.

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by Uberu

Did i ever say i didn't have health insurance? What about the single mother of three who works two jobs and has none of the luxuries that you mentioned above and has no health insurance because she can't afford it. On top of that, what if one or two of her kids had health problems...the people of this country aren't willing to help out their fellow compatriot?

It's called medicaid. We already have it. The ignorance in this thread is strong.

And Palin has more experience than obama, so I hope you aren't trying to use the argument to that effect...

[Uberu]

Where is all of this said experience coming from?

Considering she governs a state whose population is smaller than that of Philadelphia's.

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by Uberu

Where is all of this said experience coming from?

Considering she governs a state whose population is smaller than that of Philadelphia's.

All of what experience? More than obama. And the executive experience makes her WAY more qualified over obama. It's really that simple. I would hope that you already know that much though, as well as her credentials, so I don't see the reason in arguing over it. It's common sense.

[Uberu]

First off, simply saying that she has more experience doesn't prove **** to me...its like saying my dad could beat up your dad. I know she served on some small dumbass committee, then served as mayor for some small dumbass town, and has served two years as governor of one of the smallest populated states in the union. And governor doesn't make you a president of a state and give you tons of experience, for ****s-sake our governor, who i happen to like, talks about the eagles every sunday for hours when i'm sure there are other things he could address. Governor =/ President

[wrx_snobordr]

Originally Posted by Uberu

Where is all of this said experience coming from?

Considering she governs a state whose population is smaller than that of Philadelphia's.

She is the bottom of the ticket.

Look at the top of the Dems. Obama has how much ACTUAL executive experience? He was a Senator and a majority of that time was spent campaigning for President. However, a Senator does not actually set any policy or manage anything. He does not even have any executive experience before coming to Washington. All he has is a speech.

Palin on the other hand was a Mayor then a Governor. Both of those positions set policy, set budgets, and make decisions. Something Obama has no experience doing.

She may not have any foreign policy experience, but guess what, neither does Obama. Lucky for her McCain has extensive experience and HE is running for President. What does Obama have, a trip to Iraq last week?

So before you start asking how much experience the Repubs Vice President candidate has you might want to look at what actual experience the Dems President candidate has.

[wrx_snobordr]

Originally Posted by Uberu

First off, simply saying that she has more experience doesn't prove **** to me...its like saying my dad could beat up your dad. I know she served on some small dumbass committee, then served as mayor for some small dumbass town, and has served two years as governor of one of the smallest populated states in the union. And governor doesn't make you a president of a state and give you tons of experience, for ****s-sake our governor, who i happen to like, talks about the eagles every sunday for hours when i'm sure there are other things he could address. Governor =/ President

Thats funny. So I guess Bill Clinton should have not been president either. He was only Governor of Arkansas. Arkansas is not that much higher on the total population list that Alaska.

[Uberu]

Originally Posted by wrx_snobordr

She is the bottom of the ticket.

Look at the top of the Dems. Obama has how much ACTUAL executive experience? He was a Senator and a majority of that time was spent campaigning for President. However, a Senator does not actually set any policy or manage anything. He does not even have any executive experience before coming to Washington. All he has is a speech.

Palin on the other hand was a Mayor then a Governor. Both of those positions set policy, set budgets, and make decisions. Something Obama has no experience doing.

She may not have any foreign policy experience, but guess what, neither does Obama. Lucky for her McCain has extensive experience and HE is running for President. What does Obama have, a trip to Iraq last week?

So before you start asking how much experience the Repubs Vice President candidate has you might want to look at what actual experience the Dems President candidate has.

Find somewhere in this thread where i said i'm going to vote for either obama or mccain. Can't find it? I'm not voting for either in November...even though he won't win i am voting for Nader as he is trying to reduce governmental power as well as many other issues i agree with him on. For me, i would vote 1- nader, 2-obama, 3-mccain

[wrx_snobordr]

Originally Posted by Uberu

Find somewhere in this thread where i said i'm going to vote for either obama or mccain. Can't find it? I'm not voting for either in November...even though he won't win i am voting for Nader as he is trying to reduce governmental power as well as many other issues i agree with him on. For me, i would vote 1- nader, 2-obama, 3-mccain

Find a place where I said you were voting for him. I was asking how you can question the experience of the Vice President Candidate of one party, who clearly, regardless of your personal feelings, has more executive experience than the Presidential nominee of the other major party.

As far as voting for Nader, I say good stuff. I don't plan on voting for either myself. It would be great for a third party to become a viable alternative in the next election.

[sean3]

Originally Posted by Uberu

First off, simply saying that she has more experience doesn't prove **** to me...its like saying my dad could beat up your dad. I know she served on some small dumbass committee, then served as mayor for some small dumbass town, and has served two years as governor of one of the smallest populated states in the union. And governor doesn't make you a president of a state and give you tons of experience, for ****s-sake our governor, who i happen to like, talks about the eagles every sunday for hours when i'm sure there are other things he could address. Governor =/ President

Simply saying "change" doesn't prove **** to me, but Obama gets away with it. Even better, people actually believe him!

I find it absolutely hilarious that someone could try to say Palin has no experience in the event that McCain dies in office. Obama has no experience if he gets into office. There's no mystery death involved there.

So, the situation where Palin is put in charge of this country is not so far fetched, and scares the hell out of me.

Replace "Palin" with "Obama" and you have a less far fetched situation that's a lot scarier.

[ozthunder]

lol@ the daughter of Palin being a whore

[Uberu]

Originally Posted by wrx_snobordr

Thats funny. So I guess Bill Clinton should have not been president either. He was only Governor of Arkansas. Arkansas is not that much higher on the total population list that Alaska.

I assumed, incorrectly, that you were making your statement thinking i was voting for obama. Well, statistically, Bill Clinton was one of the best presidents we've had and you never know Palin could be the best "president" we've ever had but based on what i see, i don't like her.

Also, are we arguing experience as total years holding public office or at a single position?

[ozthunder]

Obviously you've never followed the general "wait a generation before judging the president" guidelines.

The first step in judging a presidency is allowing for enough time to pass before judging the policies and impact of him on an objective basis. Any sooner you'll have remnant "feelings" that will shift the judgment. Just ask Harry Truman.

[wrx_snobordr]

Originally Posted by Uberu

I assumed, incorrectly, that you were making your statement thinking i was voting for obama. Well, statistically, Bill Clinton was one of the best presidents we've had and you never know Palin could be the best "president" we've ever had but based on what i see, i don't like her.

Also, are we arguing experience as total years holding public office or at a single position?

Not arguing either, just over all experience. You can't really question McCain or Biden. They have been in Washington for decades and while they may not have direct executive experience they do have great experience in other areas. They know what it takes to get a bill through, how to work with both sides of the isle, they have been chairmen have introduced and championed bills and have extensive foreign policy experience.

Palin and Obama have been in politics for about the same amount of time. However, the experience they have gained is totally different. Obama was a junior Senator for a few years and prior was a senator in Illinois. Palin was mayor and then governor.

Who is more ready to lead your business? Your regional manager or their top salesman? Given that choice I take the Manager, they have a broader range of experience, knows what it takes to get things done and achieve results. The salesman can sell and has yet to prove he can manage.