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Scapegoat · 05-31-2008, 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ITSTOCK

You are misunderstanding the correlation.

Someone who attempts suicide is doing so as a CRY for help, aka they WANT attention.

Now, if that person ASKED for help instead of attempting suicide (as MILLIONS of people who seek psychiatric help do each year), you would have a perfect match to ASKING for help on homework. Likewise, if you tossed your books at your teacher and throw a hissy fit, you would be CRYING for help. I hope that clears up your understanding.

hahahahaha...

wow...

people don't need to verbally ASK for help... actions speak louder than words my dear...

god, I love how you generalize... your points make no sense...

You're generalizing millions of people, and you're generalizing suicidal people, and you're generalizing the ENTIRE field of psychiatric medicine in ONE thread...

here: http://www.coping.org/grief/stages.htm#Anger%A0

you're obviously still in this stage of grief in dealing with the suicide of your friend.

omgjacki · 05-31-2008, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Scapegoat

hahahahaha...

wow...

people don't need to verbally ASK for help... actions speak louder than words my dear...

god, I love how you generalize... your points make no sense...

You're generalizing millions of people, and you're generalizing suicidal people, and you're generalizing the ENTIRE field of psychiatric medicine in ONE thread...

here: http://www.coping.org/grief/stages.htm#Anger%A0

you're obviously still in this stage of grief in dealing with the suicide of your friend.

TRUTH!

And I'm not streaching anything. I'm trying to get you to see the difference between help, and attention.

ITSTOCK · 05-31-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Scapegoat

...

Damn, and here I thought you were done with this 2 pages ago!!!!

So you DO agree that attempting suicide is a cry for help.

ITSTOCK · 05-31-2008, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by omgjacki

TRUTH!

And I'm not streaching anything. I'm trying to get you to see the difference between help, and attention.

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!!

That sums it up pretty damn PERFECTLY.

ACTION: WALK TO CLINIC AND ASK FOR HELP

or other ATTENTION SEEKING METHOD

ACTION: SLIT WRIST AND HOPE SOMEONE HELPS, AND THEN POSSIBLY GET HELP.

Yep, you're right, the ACTION of ACTUALLY GETTING HELP works better than slitting your wrist and hoping for the help!

omgjacki · 05-31-2008, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ITSTOCK

ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS!!

That sums it up pretty damn PERFECTLY.

ACTION: WALK TO CLINIC AND ASK FOR HELP

or other ATTENTION SEEKING METHOD

ACTION: SLIT WRIST AND HOPE SOMEONE HELPS, AND THEN POSSIBLY GET HELP.

Yep, you're right, the ACTION of ACTUALLY GETTING HELP works better.

That would be verbal.

**TROLL** · 05-31-2008, 01:35 PM

why are you all beating this to death? thats the big mystery to me...

ITSTOCK · 05-31-2008, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by omgjacki

That would be verbal.

The ACTION of WALKING TO THE CLINIC would be a physical action.

The ACTION of WALKING TO THE CLINIC AND ASKING FOR HELP is an entire ACTION in itself.

"actions speak louder than words"

In case you aren't familiar with the phrase (which apparently you aren't), it means that DOING is greater than a general THOUGHT, STATEMENT, or IDEA.

Example:

"Words" (within the context of actions speak louder than words") :...to your friends, "I'm going to protest the President by calling him an asshole."

Action: ...calling the president an asshole.

It doesn't mean literally, a PHYSICAL MOVEMENT

(unless you mean talking as the physical movement, which would make your argument contradictory anyway).

Scapegoat · 05-31-2008, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TROLL

why should it be locked? i dont see any rules that its breaking. if you dont like the subject, then go find something else to read up on.

i dont really see what you're disagreeing about though... the ideas are very similar, it just sounds like its coming down to how you're wording them.

the disagreement here is that itstock is generalizing all those who commit, or attempt to commit, suicide. regardless of wording, the implication of "attention whoring" is a deliberate act of seeking attention. Whereas suicide, whether successful or failed is not always an attempt at "attention whoring".

You really need to diagnose the person making the attempt in order to place reason on the attempt itself. There is no one excuse for suicide... not every person that attempts it does so out of a need to get attention by their actions, though they are out there... no one is denying that.

There are just as many, if no more, people out there truly suffering from a mental illness which may or may not be situational, genetic, severe, minor, chemical, etc etc etc.

These people do not make the attempt at suicide with the single intent at getting attention or even getting help. They may realize during and/or after the attempt that they need help... and so seek it.

Itstock is also discriminating against age. citing 14 y/o's, emo's (generally a younger group), etc do this singularly for attention. When this is not the truth. Mental illness does not discriminate as openly as itstock does. It can manifest in a child, a teen, an adult, the elderly... there is no discrimination here...

omgjacki · 05-31-2008, 01:45 PM

I'm glad you're amusing yourself. You're the only one that thinks verbally asking for help is a greater action then cutting, or attempting suicide.

I'm gonna leave with that. I don't have any interest in this topic at all I just had to express an opinion. To me, I think any kind of attempt of suicide or cutting is stupid. I just don't understand why people persue it. I don't need anyone to explain it to me either so don't start anything else over what I've said. Like I said, this was just an opinion of mine and I'm through with this subject.

Scapegoat · 05-31-2008, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ITSTOCK

The ACTION of WALKING TO THE CLINIC would be a physical action.

The ACTION of WALKING TO THE CLINIC AND ASKING FOR HELP is an entire ACTION in itself.

"actions speak louder than words"

In case you aren't familiar with the phrase (which apparently you aren't), it means that DOING is greater than a general THOUGHT, STATEMENT, or IDEA.

Example:

"Words" (within the context of actions speak louder than words") :...to your friends, "I'm going to protest the President by calling him an asshole."

Action: ...calling the president an asshole.

It doesn't mean literally, a PHYSICAL MOVEMENT

(unless you mean talking as the physical movement, which would make your argument contradictory anyway).

you contradict yourself... actions speak louder than words... doing something speaks volumes over actually saying something... me saying "the pres is an asshole" in no more important and has no more impact than me saying "I'm going to call the pres an asshole"...

now me going up to the president and calling him one to his face... that is an action... that action speaks louder than the mere words that came out of my mouth...

it says I had the gall to go up to the commander in chief, bypass his security and risk imprisonment to say "you're an asshole" to his face...

ITSTOCK · 05-31-2008, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Scapegoat

Itstock is also discriminating against age. citing 14 y/o's, emo's (generally a younger group), etc do this singularly for attention.

OHHHHHHHHHH THE HORROR!!!

Actually, I was referring to dcr1d3r13. The age was just a guess as to when he slit his wrist. "Emo" was obvious.

ITSTOCK · 05-31-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Scapegoat

now me going up to the president and calling him one to his face... that is an action... that action speaks louder than the mere words that came out of my mouth...

Is there an echo???

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"Words" (within the context of actions speak louder than words") :...to your friends, "I'm going to protest the President by calling him an asshole."

Action: ...calling the president an asshole.

You continue to AGREE with me, yet you think you are disagreeing. Back two pages ago when I said, "I sure as hell don't understand". Well, I'm still in the same boat. I also thought you were done with this???

Scapegoat · 05-31-2008, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ITSTOCK

OHHHHHHHHHH THE HORROR!!!

Actually, I was referring to dcr1d3r13. The age was just a guess as to when he slit his wrist. "Emo" was obvious.

again, discrimination... mainly due to a lack of actual knowledge on a subject...

just because someone cuts their wrist doesn't make them a teen.

I had an older family member kill themselves... was this a cry for attention?

Scapegoat · 05-31-2008, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ITSTOCK

Is there an echo???

You continue to AGREE with me, yet you think you are disagreeing. Back two pages ago when I said, "I sure as hell don't understand". Well, I'm still in the same boat. I also thought you were done with this???

I agree on a mere point... not in totality with you. your general view is incorrect... but you are correct on one diagnosis, you fail to read the rest of my posts and singularly rest on that one itty bitty point.

ITSTOCK · 05-31-2008, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Scapegoat

again, discrimination... mainly due to a lack of actual knowledge on a subject...

just because someone cuts their wrist doesn't make them a teen.

I had an older family member kill themselves... was this a cry for attention?

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Actually, I was referring to dcr1d3r13. The age was just a guess as to when he slit his wrist. "Emo" was obvious.

I was referring to an actual person, not the group. The person was dc1d3r13.

ITSTOCK · 05-31-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Scapegoat

I agree on a mere point... not in totality with you. your general view is incorrect... but you are correct on one diagnosis, you fail to read the rest of my posts and singularly rest on that one itty bitty point.

So you agree that attempting suicide is a cry for help, got it! Thanks yet again for agreeing with me.

Scapegoat · 05-31-2008, 01:53 PM

answer my question, did my older (older than a teenager) family member commit suicide due to selfishness and as an attempt at "Attention whoring"

ITSTOCK · 05-31-2008, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Scapegoat

answer my question, did my older (older than a teenager) family member commit suicide due to selfishness and as an attempt at "Attention whoring"

So now it's okay to LIE about family members committing suicide????

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Originally Posted by Scapegoat

I'm sorry your friend killed himself, and I'm sorry you're bitter about it... I would be too, and I'd probably feel exactly the same way as you about this subject if someone I knew closely killed themselves. But his actions and your feelings are not something that need be inflicted onto everyone w/ depression and every that contemplates and everyone that attempts and everyone that succeeds in suicide.

That's just pathetic.

Scapegoat · 05-31-2008, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ITSTOCK

So now it's okay to LIE about family members committing suicide????

I'm not lying, but you are avoiding.

Why did your friend kill himself?

and re-read what I wrote... closely knew... I'm not saying I closely knew this family member...

ITSTOCK · 05-31-2008, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Scapegoat

I'm not lying, but you are avoiding.

Why did your friend kill himself?

I have no reason to answer a question regarding your pathetic, made up situation.

05-31-2008, 01:45 PM	#69
omgjacki Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Gilbertsville, PA Member #5869 My Ride: 2018 CX-5 GT Premium, 2018 Honda Grom iTrader: (4)	I'm glad you're amusing yourself. You're the only one that thinks verbally asking for help is a greater action then cutting, or attempting suicide. I'm gonna leave with that. I don't have any interest in this topic at all I just had to express an opinion. To me, I think any kind of attempt of suicide or cutting is stupid. I just don't understand why people persue it. I don't need anyone to explain it to me either so don't start anything else over what I've said. Like I said, this was just an opinion of mine and I'm through with this subject. __________________ Ryan M. Sherwood September 9, 1985 - October 7, 2009

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Scapegoat TST Ruined My Life! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: stop looking at my gold Member #1208 iTrader: (1)	answer my question, did my older (older than a teenager) family member commit suicide due to selfishness and as an attempt at "Attention whoring"