DONT DO DRUGS: A personal experience from tonight

[CleanNeon98]

Originally Posted by 05GT

Since you bring up the 93 thing....I've read about it, I've looked into it. It doesn't interest me, and therefore I really don't waste my time to find out more. But I find it funny if you are so devoted to it, that you have a link to wiki in your sig to "proclaim" your belief. I guess I missed the part where wikipedia is the new Religious expert.

You're right. I'm sure you have used more drugs then I ever will. Still doesn't make you an expert. You can justify your usage of such drugs all you want, but you will not convince me that drugs that are clearly harmful to the body, are suddenly ok if taken in moderation or used responsibly. They're drugs, bad for you...period.

So, continue to think that you are so entirely enlightened that within a few posts you know me, and have me "cornered" as you say. I'm done here.

Nor does it make him as cool as he thinks he is...

[J.Ralli]

Originally Posted by Action Park

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^It is good that you cannot believe this discussion. Belief stifles wisdom and is to be transcended. Not all who use drugs are addicted(yes, even heroin). And not all who are addicted even know they are addicted. "Drugs" are'nt the only thing that one can get addicted to.
A very large portion of the world spends more time staring at a screen than heroin addicts spend under their high. A senior citizen is more likely to get addicted to drugs than a youngster because they place faith in someone who spent years memorizing how to troubleshoot people. My 77 year old grandmother has an opiate and benzo addiction while I, who has experimented with all the drugs I previously mentioned, has never been. Btw, did you know that benzo addiction is worse because withdrawl can actually kill(heroin withdrawl, while horrific, very rarely kills)? If people are so bent up about addiction with young people, why does the media suppress the fact that a greater % of senior citizens are addicted to these very same drugs that are abused by youngsters?
All it comes down to is that the majority of people are absolutely clueless about drugs(the definition of which can extend to include tv, video games, the computer, etc.), what they do, and how addiction works. "Not all who wander are lost"-I forget the author.
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contrary to popular beliefs, the only drug an individual can die from due to the effects of withdrawl is alcohol. all of the other withdrawl symptoms from other drugs just make you wish as if you were dead

[Action Park]

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J Ralli-Quite true about the alcohol, but benzo withdrawl can kill as well, often suddenly. Gran mal seizures are also very common.

I do'nt think I'm cool, you think I think I'm cool. Again, instead of dealing with the topic on hand, people(cleanneon98) are resorting to personal attack. For this "debate" to continue, moralistic values must be transcended. Morals, being the child of imprinting, conditioning, and learning, are not true in themselves, but are only so in relation to a situation. Morals are the software of the computer; they are disposable.

I am not a drug advoctate, I am a freedom advocate. Repression is only good insofar as it leads to freedom. Both good and bad can come from drug use, just as the same can be said of guns, religion, spirituality, reading, going to school, ad infinitum(sp). I have absolutely no problem with people who do'nt do drugs. It is when these people berate others, not because they cause harm to others or themselves, but because they merely upset one's arbitrary morals, that gets me understandably angry. Drugs are a tool. They can be improper for the task(a 10mm socket for a phillips head screw) and they can destroy(a sledge on a pane of glass). To work properly with no ill effects(or, more properly, no ill effects that cannot be compensated for), both the tool(the drug) and the item tooled(a portion of the user) must be harmonic.
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[Kiel]

Originally Posted by Action Park

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J Ralli-Quite true about the alcohol, but benzo withdrawl can kill as well, often suddenly. Gran mal seizures are also very common.

I do'nt think I'm cool, you think I think I'm cool. Again, instead of dealing with the topic on hand, people(cleanneon98) are resorting to personal attack. For this "debate" to continue, moralistic values must be transcended. Morals, being the child of imprinting, conditioning, and learning, are not true in themselves, but are only so in relation to a situation. Morals are the software of the computer; they are disposable.

I am not a drug advoctate, I am a freedom advocate. Repression is only good insofar as it leads to freedom. Both good and bad can come from drug use, just as the same can be said of guns, religion, spirituality, reading, going to school, ad infinitum(sp). I have absolutely no problem with people who do'nt do drugs. It is when these people berate others, not because they cause harm to others or themselves, but because they merely upset one's arbitrary morals, that gets me understandably angry. Drugs are a tool. They can be improper for the task(a 10mm socket for a phillips head screw) and they can destroy(a sledge on a pane of glass). To work properly with no ill effects(or, more properly, no ill effects that cannot be compensated for), both the tool(the drug) and the item tooled(a portion of the user) must be harmonic.
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I like you and I like the way you think.

[doug]

That's what I said... and I got reemed for it. He always posts good information in any of the threads he posts in. There's too many immature people on here that can't handle or harness the brutal realities of the world.

[CleanNeon98]

Originally Posted by Action Park

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J Ralli-Quite true about the alcohol, but benzo withdrawl can kill as well, often suddenly. Gran mal seizures are also very common.

I do'nt think I'm cool, you think I think I'm cool. Again, instead of dealing with the topic on hand, people(cleanneon98) are resorting to personal attack. For this "debate" to continue, moralistic values must be transcended. Morals, being the child of imprinting, conditioning, and learning, are not true in themselves, but are only so in relation to a situation. Morals are the software of the computer; they are disposable.

I am not a drug advoctate, I am a freedom advocate. Repression is only good insofar as it leads to freedom. Both good and bad can come from drug use, just as the same can be said of guns, religion, spirituality, reading, going to school, ad infinitum(sp). I have absolutely no problem with people who do'nt do drugs. It is when these people berate others, not because they cause harm to others or themselves, but because they merely upset one's arbitrary morals, that gets me understandably angry. Drugs are a tool. They can be improper for the task(a 10mm socket for a phillips head screw) and they can destroy(a sledge on a pane of glass). To work properly with no ill effects(or, more properly, no ill effects that cannot be compensated for), both the tool(the drug) and the item tooled(a portion of the user) must be harmonic.
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Wrong. I just dont agree with your idea of "drugs are ok in moderation", especially when it comes to heroin...as others said, first time is never the last. I will never know that personally (cause im not that stupid) but maybe since you seem to think its OK, you can try just a little heroin and then youll know if its that addictive, or if you are "in control". Its illegal for a reason

[Kiel]

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

Its illegal for a reason

What's the reason? Not the reason you want it to be illegal for, but the actual reason it became illegal. Do you know?

[Honest_Bob]

I dont do drugs. Just weed.

[Kiel]

Originally Posted by Honest_Bob

I dont do drugs. Just weed.

[Action Park]

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Kiel, doug, a few others, thank you. Have a great day. This is my last post in this thread. A dog can only chase it's own tail for so long before getting tired.

Winter's knocking and the sky is turning that delightful shade of indigo at dusk. Enjoy thy life, drugs or not. And just as one avoids the herpies ridden whore, use sense over pleasure in all thy exploits. Pleasure can be found in a single breath. All sorrow is an illusion.
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[J.Ralli]

Originally Posted by Kiel

What's the reason? Not the reason you want it to be illegal for, but the actual reason it became illegal. Do you know?

drugs are illegal so the government cant be considered a monopoly

[RSX Type-Slow]

Originally Posted by Action Park

Drugs are a tool. They can be improper for the task(a 10mm socket for a phillips head screw) and they can destroy(a sledge on a pane of glass). To work properly with no ill effects(or, more properly, no ill effects that cannot be compensated for), both the tool(the drug) and the item tooled(a portion of the user) must be harmonic.
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not true....


what is heiron good for? it has no medicinal value its just a TOOL used to escape reality. As goes for ALL non medicinal drugs.



drugs are for weak minded people who want to escape. they are not happy where they are and "need" an escape from reality. I think if your not happy with what u have or where u are in your life, change it.............nothing good comes fron drugs.



yes i've never done any illegal drugs (call me a prude) and i'm sure my mind and body are in better condition than any drug user.

but yes i do agree with you action, people are free to do what they want with their bodies, and i'll never step in and tell someone "DONT DO DRUGS!" it's a decision they've already made. i'm not a guy that throws my beliefes and opinions on others becasue i think it's the right choice.

my $.02

[Renegade_]

Originally Posted by RSX Type-Slow

not true....


what is heiron good for? it has no medicinal value its just a TOOL used to escape reality. As goes for ALL non medicinal drugs.

Heroin was created to combat morphine addiction which was created to combat opium addiction post vietnam war. Heroin was designed for medical use in the first place but they realized it was a lost cause and made it illegal since it obviously really has no redeeming values.

[doug]

Originally Posted by Renegade_

Heroin was created to combat morphine addiction which was created to combat opium addiction post vietnam war. Heroin was designed for medical use in the first place but they realized it was a lost cause and made it illegal since it obviously really has no redeeming values.

Think it's a little older than post Vietnam.. lol. But indeed it was created to combat morphine problems, pretty sure that was in the 1800's though.

[87fierogt]

Originally Posted by 97TurboDSM

one of my closest friends was/is addicted to heroin. it tore his life apart, landed him in jail, lost friends, etc. hes down in florida trying to clean himself up and i really hope its working for him but every time he comes home he relapses so i dunno whats gonna happen. heroin is not somethin to **** around with. like j. ralli said, the first time is never the last.

is his name dillion by anychance?
and also ive done pretty much everything besides crack and meth and herion isnt all its cracked up to be. i never shot it i snorted it and it is nothing like oxycontin like they say it is