my little problem...

[PY TYPE R 483]

What type of supercharger is it? That could play a key role in your decision as well.

[DropTopChevy]

Originally Posted by Scapegoat

children!! relax... screw you all.

twin-charge FTW!!

I'm with this guy. Well on both points that he makes

[SexyDSM95]

Originally Posted by TurboTagTeam

Not sure what you mean by this. I don't work on my car? At the moment I'm replacing the engine. Not to mention that I'v changed allmost everything about it since I bought it. Take your negativity somewere else. I said nothing negative to you.

My negativity is towards your assumptions and heavily biased opinion. Superman is better then Batman anyways so STFU GTFO .

[Scapegoat]

"no bitch, it's my truck!"

[2point4DSM]

As mentioned S/C and turbos can both work well dependent on application and goals.

Originally Posted by SexyDSM95

Ask SpendOne how his 20g outdoes a 60-1 in the 1/4 and trap speed.

There is a world of difference btw my car and Spendone's car. And I've run my car a total of 6 times down the track in the last 4 years. It is hardly tuned considering and still running on the VPC. Spendone has been working hard and consistently at tuning his car since I met him and now has DSMlink. He also has tons more track time than I do which shows in his better 60' times and better driving. The only thing that you can really compare is we were running similar boost that day and ran very similar numbers which actually surprised me considering.

Let's compare a couple things: Relatively speaking my car runs a very restrictive exhaust with a 2.5" downpipe, functional cat, resonator and regular 3" truck muffler. Spendone's exhaust flows at least twice as much as mine does.

And even though my interior is gutted it is still possible our cars weigh about the same due to other factors.

Not to mention, the sweet spot of the 20g is about 25 psi, maxxing out at about 28 psi where my turbo's sweet spot is 32 psi maxxing out at 35 psi. I'm sure we could both agree that more boost means more power... as long as it is within the turbos efficiency range.

The fact his IC is twice the size of mine make a difference? Does the stroker motor make a difference?

Read up on Driven's posts to learn more about stroker motors. http://www.tristatetuners.com/forum/...=stroker+motor

[SexyDSM95]

First off I said tuning is a major key with turbo set ups large OR small. You vs. Matt is the perfect situation of what I have been expressing this entire thread. So you continue to sit there and think you are some DSM guru and continue to run low 12's on your ginormous turbo and stroker motor all while people with the same turbo and 2.0L have been well into the 9's. Awesome dude, I look up to you fo' sho'.

P.S. Meth/Alky injection is just THAT pointless....right

[Scapegoat]

teh fax0rz:

A larger turbo will produce more HP than a smaller turbo, fact. However, a larger turbo isn't always better, it depends on the application, the engine involved, tuning, etc. But the same applies to a smaller turbo.

Smaller turbo cars, can and WILL pull on larger turbo cars do to turbo lag. Smaller turbo = less lag and less HP. Larger turbo = more lag, more HP, and sometimes it = dyno queen.

A large turbo is pointless on a track with lots of turns, in most cars. It is a benefit to the rotary's though, as they can easily stay within a larger turbos spool range, and tap into that asap. While a normal piston motor coming onto a straightaway won't hit full boost right away, the rotary can.

In the quarter mile one has to be careful with tuning and turbo size. A small turbo can pull the larger turbo car off the line fairly easy due to the quick spool, power is almost instant. Smaller turbo cars can sometimes even BEAT larger turbo cars with more HP on the 1/4 because of this. Though, with proper tuning, and driving skill, the larger turbo car can ultimatly pass and defeat a smaller turbo car a good amount of the time.

For street racing, specifically highway runs, a larger turbo is a boon, you have more space to spool completly and pass.

it is ALL in the application and tuning of turbo and engine. Size isn't the most important factor, until you try to exceed the turbo's range, which works against you as your turn the turbo into the biggest point of restriction.

[2point4DSM]

Originally Posted by SexyDSM95

First off I said tuning is a major key with turbo set ups large OR small. You vs. Matt is the perfect situation of what I have been expressing this entire thread.

Why not compare your car with a smaller turbo running a lot more boost but tuned better to my car.

And my car is just as likely to go 9s and rank with the fastest DSMs with similar turbos as your car is going to run 11s and rank with the fasest DSMs running your turbo.

Is it possible? Probably. The likelihood of my car running close to the records is still heavily dependent on $$$. Your car is probably more likely to run close to the records than mine considering your setup is closer than mine is to the record holders. And running low 12s/ high 11s is a lot easier than running 9s/10s no matter what.

Btw, I never called myself a DSM guru and in fact will openly admit (as you very will know from reading PhillyDSM) that I am still learning. Having almost 16 years experience with AWD turbo DSMs does give me a bit more insight though than the average DSMr.

[2point4DSM]

Originally Posted by SexyDSM95

So you continue to sit there and think you are some DSM guru and continue to run low 12's on your ginormous turbo and stroker motor all while people with the same turbo and 2.0L have been well into the 9's. Awesome dude, I look up to you fo' sho'.

Once again read Driven's post on stroker motors.

And the car ran 12.0 that day. That certainly doesn't mean that is the fastest it will go. I've upped the boost some more since and I can guarantee it is now a lot faster than it use to be that day.

Not to mention I'm still learning how to drive the car, again, considering it has sat around a lot lately (probably driven it a 1000 miles in the last 4 years) and the car is new to me all over again. Trust me when I tell you I'm starting to get better at driving it again.

[2point4DSM]

Originally Posted by SexyDSM95

P.S. Meth/Alky injection is just THAT pointless....right

How many of the 100 fastest DSMrs run Meth/Alky injection?

How many times have you actually heard it used in professional racing of all sorts... Top fuel, F1, circle track, autocross, WRC, etc?

The muscle car guys have been tuning and racing a lot longer than import guys. How many of them use it?

[SilverTurboRidin]

Not many. At all...I can show you 9 second cars that dont need it...

[SexyDSM95]

Originally Posted by 2point4DSM

Read up on Driven's posts to learn more about stroker motors. http://www.tristatetuners.com/forum/...=stroker+motor

Originally Posted by Driven

2.3L's are great for street cars, they have a little more low end and they get the turbo's spooled faster. If you're building an all out drag car however, 2.0L is the way to go. The difference is about 1000 RPM's power wise, and 2.0's have proven to rev more than 1000 RPM's higher than 2.3's. As you would say, end of story.

English Version: Wil is a knob and should go back to Hondas with his awesome theories maybe Bill Nye the Science Guy will stop laughing at him since he has gained so much "experience" running 12's/13's on a 60-1.

[2point4DSM]

I completely agree with what Driven has to say. The reason I asked you to look at his posts.

I guess I forgot to mention my car is a street car with a functional catalytic converter, inspection, registration, insurance and all.

Btw, I have no desire to rev to 9.5-10k. And I actually let the revs drop quite a bit btw shifts too.

[su_maverick]

water/meth/alky are not run on professional cars because the race teams have the money to make the car setup exactly like they need it to be. W/M/A is a cheap substitute for race gas and expensive cooling systems.

[SexyDSM95]

Originally Posted by 2point4DSM

I guess I forgot to mention my car is a street car with a functional catalytic converter, inspection, registration, insurance and all.

OMG ME TOO...and the other many Test/Tune drivers who go to Atco.

Want a cookie?

[Zeropistonz]

Poor iRaTruPlaya. The poor guy just wants to know what other people think and all anyone is giving him is bitching or "race me race me". WTF?!?! Some of you need to chill and not attack anyone that has a different opinion/taste than you. I swear I hate this forum more everyday.

That being said... I think a SC would be cooler/more unique. Thats what I would rock in your car.

P.S. I am not impressed with anyones knowledge on SC or turbos. This discussion is endless. The better of the 2 depends on driver and car/setup(that includes tuning). That is all.

[Scapegoat]

Originally Posted by Zeropistonz

Poor iRaTruPlaya. The poor guy just wants to know what other people think and all anyone is giving him is bitching or "race me race me". WTF?!?! Some of you need to chill and not attack anyone that has a different opinion/taste than you. I swear I hate this forum more everyday.

That being said... I think a SC would be cooler/more unique. Thats what I would rock in your car.

P.S. I am not impressed with anyones knowledge on SC or turbos. This discussion is endless. The better of the 2 depends on driver and car/setup(that includes tuning). That is all.

dude, obviously, this thread is no place for logic...

[su_maverick]

Originally Posted by Zeropistonz

Poor iRaTruPlaya. The poor guy just wants to know what other people think and all anyone is giving him is bitching or "race me race me". WTF?!?! Some of you need to chill and not attack anyone that has a different opinion/taste than you. I swear I hate this forum more everyday.

That being said... I think a SC would be cooler/more unique. Thats what I would rock in your car.

P.S. I am not impressed with anyones knowledge on SC or turbos. This discussion is endless. The better of the 2 depends on driver and car/setup(that includes tuning). That is all.

cant you tell that everyone has already chilled out and we are just having a discussion right now. There is no venom what so ever to this conversation. We are just chatting away about different turbos and superchargers.

PS- could care less about if you are impressed or not.