Sign this petition keeping Government control OUT of healthcare

[OutlawzPrez]

Originally Posted by Proven

Unfortunately we depend on big business as Americans. Can I buy a house cash? Can I buy a car cash? I get sick, could get hurt, so I need insurance because I cant pay cash on spot, Can't pay to have the car fixed if in an accident so, need insurance cause I cant pay cash to have it fixed. Every time I wipe my ass because I sh** I support big business. BIG BUSINESS already controls us and our economy. Most if not all of Americans have to buy from them. To say "just don't buy from them" is silly, its like saying don't breath the air if you think its polluted.

Do you want our economy to be stronger? How do you propose we make it stronger? Give big business tax breaks so they can bank? Or force these Companies to pay fair wages like they ethically should be? (ethically and logically, not pay the janitor 100k)

To me big business could get bigger by "spreading the wealth" (spend money to make money). If more people have more money to spend they will... (we know this for sure). This in turn gives money back to the "Big business".

I know I sound like a socialist and maybe I am.. Regardless in the times we are having I think Socialist PRACTICE is in order.

LMAO, spread the wealth.

[Proven]

Originally Posted by OutlawzPrez

LMAO, spread the wealth.

Hows your proposal for health care reform coming along? You have any solutions to help the American economy? or just "Obama's wrong"

The guy in the pic is a victim of socialism? Whats your definition of socialism? In your words And don't just say "the way Obama wants things."

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by Proven

Hows your proposal for health care reform coming along? You have any solutions to help the American economy? or just "Obama's wrong"

The guy in the pic is a victim of socialism? Whats your definition of socialism? In your words And don't just say "the way Obama wants things."

You really confuse me. You view progress, earning money, and success as evil, yet you feel we are currently in an economic crisis since people are not making money and growing business? You also stated on several occasions that gov't helped create this so called economic crisis, yet you are looking toward the gov't to fix the situation. Please, help me understand your thoughts.

[importpower99]

Originally Posted by poolmike

Why are you making this a republican vs. democrat issue. It does not matter what side blows the freakin money. It is time to start kicking all of them out of office. If you were angry that Bush started TARP, why aren't you still angry now?

Because the investment into GM made a sense. The extra money to AIG I didn't agree with.

[OutlawzPrez]

Originally Posted by Proven

Hows your proposal for health care reform coming along? You have any solutions to help the American economy? or just "Obama's wrong"

The guy in the pic is a victim of socialism? Whats your definition of socialism? In your words And don't just say "the way Obama wants things."

Solutions:
Instead of a putting Washington in control over personal health care decisions, individuals and families should be the key decision makers in their health care. Proposals that give fair and equal tax treatment for those who buy health coverage on their own, encourage states to develop solutions that will give individuals direct control of the flow of health care dollars, and finance reform by restructuring existing spending, not more spending, are key steps to solving America’s health care problems.

Such a system would promote personal ownership; give Americans more health choices, and force health plans and providers to compete directly for their dollars. The end result would lower costs and guarantee better quality.

HERE IS ANOTHER SOLUTION FOR AMERICA & TO STRENGTHEN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
http://www.hannity.com//Article.asp?id=1193278


Socialism:
A theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

[importpower99]

Originally Posted by OutlawzPrez

Solutions:
Instead of a putting Washington in control over personal health care decisions, individuals and families should be the key decision makers in their health care. Proposals that give fair and equal tax treatment for those who buy health coverage on their own, encourage states to develop solutions that will give individuals direct control of the flow of health care dollars, and finance reform by restructuring existing spending, not more spending, are key steps to solving America’s health care problems.

Such a system would promote personal ownership; give Americans more health choices, and force health plans and providers to compete directly for their dollars. The end result would lower costs and guarantee better quality.

HERE IS ANOTHER SOLUTION FOR AMERICA & TO STRENGTHEN THE REPUBLICAN PARTY.
http://www.hannity.com//Article.asp?id=1193278


Socialism:
A theory or system of social organization that advocates the vesting of the ownership and control of the means of production and distribution, of capital, land, etc., in the community as a whole.

(in Marxist theory) the stage following capitalism in the transition of a society to communism, characterized by the imperfect implementation of collectivist principles.

That is not an answer to his question. That wouldn't do anything to address our current problems. None of that is affordable for people who can't afford it.
And That doesn't stop people from filing for bankruptcy when the medical bills get to high.
And you can't FORCE healthcare providers to do anything! If there not making the money they want, they will just pull out or strengthen their criteria.

And that sean hannity pages has too much B.S on there for me to comment on. I did read it though, I thought I would only find one stupid item, but i was wrong.

And don't forget to watch the daily show tonight!

[OutlawzPrez]

THIS JUST IN;

Top White House adviser Lawrence H. Summers would not rule out middle-class tax increases as a way to pay for the Obama administration to pay for a sweeping health care plan, according to The Washington Times.

[Proven]

Originally Posted by OutlawzPrez

THIS JUST IN;

Top White House adviser Lawrence H. Summers would not rule out middle-class tax increases as a way to pay for the Obama administration to pay for a sweeping health care plan, according to The Washington Times.

So according to a news paper one of the people that works for Obama isn't ruling out that tax increases may happen for the middle class? Whats this prove?

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by Proven

So according to a news paper one of the people that works for Obama isn't ruling out that tax increases may happen for the middle class? Whats this prove?

It proves that he lied to you again.

[Proven]

Originally Posted by poolmike

You really confuse me. You view progress, earning money, and success as evil, yet you feel we are currently in an economic crisis since people are not making money and growing business? You also stated on several occasions that gov't helped create this so called economic crisis, yet you are looking toward the gov't to fix the situation. Please, help me understand your thoughts.

It would be confusing if you thought that I thought earning money was something evil. I don't. I wish everyone who started a business made millions and I wish everyone who helped them make those millions made good money themselves. What I'm against is money being made in a greedy fashion (which our Country currently allows big time). If a owner of a Company makes (his salary after cost of business) 500k annually and his next highest paid employee makes 40k w/ no health coverage/profit sharing I see a problem, and that problem is greed. Or Business owners who are already well off haggling to pay lower salaries, not offering health insurance, and dropping hours so he can profit more makes me sick in my stomach.

Reason I feel the economical crisis is at the hands of government is because they allow this greed. Most Republicans even like to give these Companies tax breaks and want to be their friend. We now have a president that wants to put an end to it all which is why I'm for Obama not necessarily Government like you think.

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by Proven

It would be confusing if you thought that I thought earning money was something evil. I don't. I wish everyone who started a business made millions and I wish everyone who helped them make those millions made good money themselves. What I'm against is money being made in a greedy fashion (which our Country currently allows big time). If a owner of a Company makes (his salary after cost of business) 500k annually and his next highest paid employee makes 40k w/ no health coverage/profit sharing I see a problem, and that problem is greed. Or Business owners who are already well off haggling to pay lower salaries, not offering health insurance, and dropping hours so he can profit more makes me sick in my stomach.

Reason I feel the economical crisis is at the hands of government is because they allow this greed. Most Republicans even like to give these Companies tax breaks and want to be their friend. We now have a president that wants to put an end to it all which is why I'm for Obama not necessarily Government like you think.

It is completely your fault and no one else's if you stay with that employer, NOT MINE! Why do you think Obama can help you? Better yet, why can't you help yourself? If you are only $1, why should anyone give you $2? Have you offered to buy part of the company you work for? You need need some risk sharing before profit sharing. Also, if corporations don't get tax breaks, there will be even less payroll. Plain and simple.

[Proven]

Originally Posted by poolmike

It proves that he lied to you again.

It proves that Lawrence H. Summers (an adviser) said that he would not rule out tax increases as a way to pay for the health care plan. It doesn't prove that Obama IS going to tax everyone for the health care bill.

[Proven]

Originally Posted by poolmike

It is completely your fault and no one else's if you stay with that employer, NOT MINE! Why do you think Obama can help you? Better yet, why can't you help yourself? If you are only $1, why should anyone give you $2? Have you offered to buy part of the company you work for? You need need some risk sharing before profit sharing. Also, if corporations don't get tax breaks, there will be even less payroll. Plain and simple.

Your right, no one including myself has to stay with an employer if they don't run ethically. Getting up and leaving a Company though is easier said then done considering there isn't much to choose from.

Obama can help me because of his position as the president of the united states of America. He is in a position that can fix Greedy business practices not me.

If you hired someone at $1 and they increased your business 100% would you keep them at $1? Or would they be looking at a raise for what they did for you and your Company?

I don't think employers should just raise salaries for kicks. I'm talking about raising salaries for workers who are part of increasing profits (which in my eyes is every single employee within a Company that is experiencing increased profit).

[Z31Fanatic]

Originally Posted by poolmike

It is completely your fault and no one else's if you stay with that employer, NOT MINE! Why do you think Obama can help you? Better yet, why can't you help yourself? If you are only $1, why should anyone give you $2? Have you offered to buy part of the company you work for? You need need some risk sharing before profit sharing. Also, if corporations don't get tax breaks, there will be even less payroll. Plain and simple.

Who caress what these clowns think?


We're crushing the commies day by day

Another Acorn video will be shown tomorrow

[evomike]

God main stream media is such a horrible thing on both sides, there has been no talks or debates about healthcare just mudslinging and getting an extreme right and an extreme left to yell at each other to get ratings. We need healthcare reform and we need I get insurance companies out of it, they really should reform
Medicare and offer it to all Americans but now I'm an extreme socialist terrorist anti American ass for saying that.

[OutlawzPrez]

Originally Posted by Proven

So according to a news paper one of the people that works for Obama isn't ruling out that tax increases may happen for the middle class? Whats this prove?

The Top White House adviser helps Obama with tough decisons. So what do you think that means? Use common sense.

Originally Posted by poolmike

It proves that he lied to you again.

Thank you. Some people are just blinded by the messiah lulz.

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by Proven

Your right, no one including myself has to stay with an employer if they don't run ethically. Getting up and leaving a Company though is easier said then done considering there isn't much to choose from.

Obama can help me because of his position as the president of the united states of America. He is in a position that can fix Greedy business practices not me.

If you hired someone at $1 and they increased your business 100% would you keep them at $1? Or would they be looking at a raise for what they did for you and your Company?

I don't think employers should just raise salaries for kicks. I'm talking about raising salaries for workers who are part of increasing profits (which in my eyes is every single employee within a Company that is experiencing increased profit).

Life involves risk. Making money and succeeding involves risk. Leaving a job for a better job IS EASY. It does involve risk. You keep proving that you are not willing to take a risk. You agreed to a salary that you are unhappy with, and you are blaming the rest of the free world for your problem? Yes you are.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by Proven

It would be confusing if you thought that I thought earning money was something evil. I don't. I wish everyone who started a business made millions and I wish everyone who helped them make those millions made good money themselves. What I'm against is money being made in a greedy fashion (which our Country currently allows big time). If a owner of a Company makes (his salary after cost of business) 500k annually and his next highest paid employee makes 40k w/ no health coverage/profit sharing I see a problem, and that problem is greed. Or Business owners who are already well off haggling to pay lower salaries, not offering health insurance, and dropping hours so he can profit more makes me sick in my stomach.

Reason I feel the economical crisis is at the hands of government is because they allow this greed. Most Republicans even like to give these Companies tax breaks and want to be their friend. We now have a president that wants to put an end to it all which is why I'm for Obama not necessarily Government like you think.

If you don't like it, start your own business where the owners and employees make the same money. Don't support business that don't share in a manner consistent with your ideals.

Plus nobody forced these people to work for these companies. If they don't like the pay, they can find a job elsewhere. You clearly have no idea how much time, effort and money that goes into starting and/or running a business. Plus, let's be honest, the whole point of having a business is to make money.

The line you walk is dangerously close to communism. Not saying that greed isn't a problem sometimes, I too was outraged at businesses that needed bailouts were still set on giving their CEOs big bonuses. But if a business is turning profits, let them run it as they see fit. And when they fail, let them die off, the beauty of capitalism is that there is always another business waiting to take over where the failures leave off.

[Proven]

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

If you don't like it, start your own business where the owners and employees make the same money. Don't support business that don't share in a manner consistent with your ideals.

Plus nobody forced these people to work for these companies. If they don't like the pay, they can find a job elsewhere. You clearly have no idea how much time, effort and money that goes into starting and/or running a business. Plus, let's be honest, the whole point of having a business is to make money.

The line you walk is dangerously close to communism. Not saying that greed isn't a problem sometimes, I too was outraged at businesses that needed bailouts were still set on giving their CEOs big bonuses. But if a business is turning profits, let them run it as they see fit. And when they fail, let them die off, the beauty of capitalism is that there is always another business waiting to take over where the failures leave off.

Greed is always a problem, not just sometimes. (unless you meant greed sometimes happens).

I don't feel a Business owner should make the same as his employees! I never said that. The owner should clearly make more! But I feel owners should pay their employees fairly/ethically rather then the lowest they can get away with so they can keep more (greed).

OMG im treading dangerously close to what you think is communism.. Please, I don't want that... tell me how to think and I'll march.. hurry.!

^thats me acting like a fox news viewer guided by fear.

And for the record those that think communism means "Hitler" it doesn't. Thinking your a superior race and wanting to rule the world is more of a Big Business / republican style then what Obama wants.

[Proven]

Originally Posted by poolmike

Life involves risk. Making money and succeeding involves risk. Leaving a job for a better job IS EASY. It does involve risk. You keep proving that you are not willing to take a risk. You agreed to a salary that you are unhappy with, and you are blaming the rest of the free world for your problem? Yes you are.

Leaving a job for a better job is far from easy, trust me.. I can't say its harder then starting / running a business but its no walk in the park.

My problem is greed... not the free world. The free world does allow greed but that doesn't mean I'm against the free world in general.