Sick of every single McCain sponsored ad being a smear on Obama!

[SovXietday]

You're going to see smearing by both parties, mostly it's in rebuttle to smearing of themselves or whatever else not.

However, McCain has definitely been smearing more than Obama.

[poolmike]

I don't care for the Obama bashing ads either, but McCain is still the better candidiate for my situation. Personally I feel that Obama would be like 4 more years of Bush.

[CHAOS]

both major candidates suck. /thread

[KingOfDelco]

Originally Posted by poolmike

I don't care for the Obama bashing ads either, but McCain is still the better candidiate for my situation. Personally I feel that Obama would be like 4 more years of Bush.

this post = fail

[Scapegoat]

Originally Posted by KingOfDelco

this post = fail

how about you come up with a more intelligent rebuttal than that

[KingOfDelco]

i would....but i would get banned for going off topic. you can tho.

[Scapegoat]

and your previous post would be better than going off topic and explaining why you think Mike's post is "fail"?

[KingOfDelco]

lol. ok. i'll expunge.

I've heard "McCain will be another 4 years of Bush..." ---which makes sense. Since both are Republicans, and agree on virtually every position of importance on the plate of the american people. McCain has supported Bush's policies, both domestic and foreign and they have many of the same mutual friends, etc...

I can't figure out how Obama, who obviously represents a change from the "politics as usual", and has basically the exact opposite position on every major issue, could be considered "another 4 years of Bush".... especially since, um...hes a liberal Democrat from Chicago.

Maybe it was a typo,.... but we're not supposed to be discussing candidates in this thread... only negative campaign ads about Obama.

[NJGOAT]

They all run negative ads, but I definitely saw a switch in McCain advertising the past few weeks to straight attack ads. You have to also take it in the context that advertising is regionalized. The ads we see here are not the ads that are seen everywhere else. McCain is behind Obama in Philadelphia, but in front of him in the suburbs. McCain's people believe that they have a chance to win in PA and NJ but are behind in the polls, hence all the McCain ads. It's politics 101, the smear ads do actually work. A positive message about a candidate will tend to be tuned out, but a negative ad captures people attention and they tend to retain the information longer. "Our generation" may be a little different in the way they view it, but the negative ads work for the majority of the voting population. That last part is the key. The ads are not intended to target everyone, they are intended to target the demographic that actually votes. I hate the ads too and get sick of seeing them, but they wouldn't be spending millions of dollars for them if they didn't think they worked.

As for the candidate choices this time, I am planning on voting for McCain, because I believe he is the better choice right now. Obama has a bit of a Kennedy feel about him, which I think the country needs, but not in our current crises. I'll take 4 years of McCain followed by Obama. The two parties have become so dilluted by special interests that they hardly have any identity anymore. You are essentially picking which set of lobbyists you prefer.

[Renegade_]

I really only think that one thing matters in this election:

Are the true democrats pissed off enough to get off their lazy asses and vote. If they do that, Obama could win. It's all about momentum and the so far I think the black man from Illinois is doing an alright job. But thats the ticket, thats the goddamn ticket they are riding on - change, on all fronts. Change on policy, change in office, change of race - is novelty? Hell if I know, only November will decide that for us.

McCain, though, is like Bush in '92, I swear to god there is no difference. He is fighting like he has a lot to lose and right now which just isn't true. I think his ideals represent a lot of what republicans want... Not a liberal and their wily attempts to put another religious bastard into office which will skull**** the U.S. as most presidents in the past have. And guess what, all those little ****ers were Republican - Reagan, Bush v1, Bush v2, Nixon. I think that shows something is inherently wrong with the Republican party - has there been any president in the white house in that time frame that actually was doing alright?

Oh yeah, Mr. Bill. Did he send us into war? Nope, and I don't trust politicians so I would be ready to pin anything on the man but he is nothing more than a regular goddamn American. Who wouldn't want to get their dick sucked while in office?

Have the Democrats finally smarted up into getting a real, somewhat, intellectual onto the trail instead of the same old little cookie cutter democrat that we've seen in John Kerry? I haven't talked with the man so I couldn't tell you. All I know is this - McCain is another cookie cutter republican which for some dumb reason the American republic has been dumb enough to accept these past 8 years - some moppet in the White House holding the presidential seat while big money pulls his strings while the Caste of American Slaves, the average American, has to suffer through slavery that they willingly submitted to, but they call it the American Dream.

The American Dream is dead goddamnit, now it has become a bastardization, a statement in the guise of promise, a promise that didn't live for more than 150 properly integrated years in the system. So where are we now?

We have another republican puppet with really no righteous mind and new age intellect of his own, and a democrat which promises change in a system that is already somewhat ****ed. Who do we vote for... neither? Ron Paul seems a righteous assumption but the American people have yet to realize what kind of change he represents. We are not ready for him, no one can really appreciate the turnaround that man could create. The system quashes him like they quash any other revolutionary - by making his ideals obsolete and using the dumb-simpleton edge of the press to stupify his points.

That is what the system has become, that is the inherent system we all see.

Who is man enough to **** **** up? Neither of those moppets, both I can say are probably whores of the party - especially McCain. Obama I think just has less of a chance of being one as I don't know what he's up to yet... He's a politician afterall, and I don't trust any of em.

[CleanNeon98]

I think its cause McCain knows that he wont win any other way. That **** is due for his one way ticket to the retirement home, not 4 years in office. Im personally tired of politics all together.

[pearl]

im voting for mickey mouse, *** the bull****

[BradC]

Originally Posted by Renegade_

Oh yeah, Mr. Bill. Did he send us into war? Nope, and I don't trust politicians so I would be ready to pin anything on the man but he is nothing more than a regular goddamn American.

What about Bosnia? Kosovo? Did that not all do down on "Mr. Bill's" watch?

[Renegade_]

Originally Posted by BradC

What about Bosnia? Kosovo? Did that not all do down on "Mr. Bill's" watch?

Those weren't self perpetuating wars. We got in and out. The definition of war I am using is used in context of profit harvesting. All those were needed - not denying that and conflict did occur, but its not even close to the **** that we have seen (WWII, Vietnam, Iraq/Afghanistan, etc). Bosnia and Kosovo was nothing when you look at it in the greater scope of things.

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by KingOfDelco

this post = fail

How is Obama going to be a change from the current clown?? Like Bush, he is an arrogant a-hole with little real world leadership experience. Clinton got the country rolling into financial ruin, Bush v2 accelerated the process, Obama will step in and finish the job with his 'changes'..not to mention that foreign leaders are going to play Obama like a freakin' fiddle.

And what is with all the Smart cars...Is the Obama sticker a factory option?? Every one of them has a Obama sticker on it somehwere.

Anywho, I'll stop now so Troll doesn't kick my a$$ next time I see him.

[NJGOAT]

Originally Posted by Renegade_

Those weren't self perpetuating wars. We got in and out. The definition of war I am using is used in context of profit harvesting. All those were needed - not denying that and conflict did occur, but its not even close to the **** that we have seen (WWII, Vietnam, Iraq/Afghanistan, etc). Bosnia and Kosovo was nothing when you look at it in the greater scope of things.

I'm not even going to begin to wade into the BS in this one, but I sincerely hope you're not placing WW2 in the same context as Vietnam and Iraq/Afghanistan. Also, last time I checked a Democrat was at the helm during WW2 and a Democrat started our involvement in Vietnam (Kennedy) and then a Democrat expanded it to a war (Johnson) and it was finally ended by a Republican (Nixon). I really wish they would start placing more of an emphasis on civics and history in school.

However, all of this has NOTHING to do with McCain's negative ad campaign.

[BradC]

Originally Posted by NJGOAT

I'm not even going to begin to wade into the BS in this one, but I sincerely hope you're not placing WW2 in the same context as Vietnam and Iraq/Afghanistan. Also, last time I checked a Democrat was at the helm during WW2 and a Democrat started our involvement in Vietnam (Kennedy) and then a Democrat expanded it to a war (Johnson) and it was finally ended by a Republican (Nixon). I really wish they would start placing more of an emphasis on civics and history in school.

However, all of this has NOTHING to do with McCain's negative ad campaign.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Renegade_

Those weren't self perpetuating wars. We got in and out. The definition of war I am using is used in context of profit harvesting. All those were needed - not denying that and conflict did occur, but its not even close to the **** that we have seen (WWII, Vietnam, Iraq/Afghanistan, etc). Bosnia and Kosovo was nothing when you look at it in the greater scope of things.

So what is the difference in genocide during the Bosnian conflict vs. genocide brought to the Kurds??

Also, please explain "profit harvesting", and some evidence to back up your claim.

[PoorMan'sR]

maybe, just maybe we actually need change, obama is offering change and yea maybe we'll get dicked over in the end but hey it just might work, i doubt he can do anymore damage thats already been done by bush....as far as the campaign ad's go i've only ever seen McCain bashing obama and it disgusts me every time i see one, now maybe obama does have smear campaigns i haven't seen yet but the fact is McCain is dumping ALOT more money into the smear ads then obama

[KingOfDelco]

Originally Posted by poolmike

How is Obama going to be a change from the current clown?? Like Bush, he is an arrogant a-hole with little real world leadership experience. Clinton got the country rolling into financial ruin, Bush v2 accelerated the process, Obama will step in and finish the job with his 'changes'..not to mention that foreign leaders are going to play Obama like a freakin' fiddle.

funny, because good ole Billy Clinton could have EASILY been described as "an arrogant A-hole with little real world leadership experience" (is being the gov in Arkansas any more "real world Leadership" experience than being a Senator in the US Senate??? I don't think so.

And you seem to think Clinton was awesome... so.....

I have no picked up one hint of arrogance from Obama..Obama doesn't say he "deserves to be prez"....

while McCAin on the other hand, has a HUGE Sense of Entitlement.
"wah! i fought in vietnam. this other guy didn't. i should be prez!"

[dancemf666]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6aueV...o?diaryId=7443

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vBTs6_PJjic&feature=user

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KYSeGl4bks&feature=user

7 ads against McCain.
http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=7443