Warning you are now entering an intelligent discussion...(Gun Control)

[assault187]

Originally Posted by ITSTOCK

Could you possibly put a valid argument together that has something to do with this topic?? WTF are you talking about?

Better? That's as kind as I can get to a response like that. No more personal attacks are present, just stating the obvious.

sorry champ...didnt fully read the previos post...my apoligies everybody

[CobaltGrl]

Originally Posted by whitezenki

i think what assault means is whether or not there is a complete ban on all guns starting next month, ppl will still have them, and shoot others with them. Most ppl that shoot and kill others dont own the guns legally anyway, so short of taking every gun out of circulation and melting them down, the violence will never stop and guns will still be all over the street. There is about a shooting a week in my town, and i gaurantee not one of them is with a legal and registered gun, and a registered shooter.

that said, we have the right to bear arms, and it should be kept that way.

damn. where do you live? Camden?

as far as gun control, Im keepin my mouth shut...thats topic causes almost as much debate as abortion, and niether side will ever see eye to eye..

[gpzjack]

I don't have a problem with guns. I think we just need an intelligent way to track ownership to try to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. You have to admit its kinda f'ed up when a woman goes to a gun store and buys 15 pistols at once....you know where they are going.

And Remember

Guns don't kill people....crackheads with guns kill people.

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by gpzjack

I don't have a problem with guns. I think we just need an intelligent way to track ownership to try to keep guns out of the hands of criminals. You have to admit its kinda f'ed up when a woman goes to a gun store and buys 15 pistols at once....you know where they are going.

And Remember

Guns don't kill people....crackheads with guns kill people.

Have you ever bought a handgun? I'm just curious....

[HatchSurfer3]

Originally Posted by S4toSTI

I think you both need to re read the title and forget the fact that i forgot a single n and remember that you both are not contributing in any way. Thanks MMMKAY.

Dude, chill, i reread it with the spelling correction, congrats to you. I specifically said that i wasnt insulting you. Whatever is up ur ass must be sideways, good luck getting it out

[D Money]

I don't see a need for you to carry your gun Barry. Sometimes when I get mad at you I think about punching you in the grill piece, but then I remind myself that you got the heat.

What are you going to do with the gun at a diner anyways? Shoot someone because a fight breaks out? I mean, then you would just go to jail, is that worth it?

I'm from Jersey, so this whole legal carrying a gun thing is new to me. If I saw a dude carrying a gun in NJ, I would be like ****, he has a gun. He is going to murder bitches! In PA, I see some Jewish kid rockin his piece on his studded white belt and im like, um, yo kid? Wanna go to the library?

[HatchSurfer3]

Originally Posted by subwrxkid

I don't see a need for you to carry your gun Barry. Sometimes when I get mad at you I think about punching you in the grill piece, but then I remind myself that you got the heat.

What are you going to do with the gun at a diner anyways? Shoot someone because a fight breaks out? I mean, then you would just go to jail, is that worth it?

I'm from Jersey, so this whole legal carrying a gun thing is new to me. If I saw a dude carrying a gun in NJ, I would be like ****, he has a gun. He is going to murder bitches! In PA, I see some Jewish kid rockin his piece on his studded white belt and im like, um, yo kid? Wanna go to the library?

IMO, people who carry their gun around all the time are just using it as a confidence booster. I feel bad for people who need a weapon to resolve a situation. If you are tough enough to carry a gun, u should be tough enough to actually use it. Both of which are sub-par in comparison to someone who will actually use words to resolve a situation, or if it comes to it, actually fighting like a man.

[WKderF]

Originally Posted by subwrxkid

I don't see a need for you to carry your gun Barry. Sometimes when I get mad at you I think about punching you in the grill piece, but then I remind myself that you got the heat. . .

. . . In PA, I see some Jewish kid rockin his piece on his studded white belt and im like, um, yo kid? Wanna go to the library?

Hey D, You do know that i carry, dont you? was that librarian comment made for me? lol, j/k.

I get the same argument all the time "you dont need to carry a gun. . . you dont live in a rough neighborhood. . . you dont hang out in the ghetto"


well this is true, im not cruisin the ghetto at all hours of the day & night. but then again - not ALL crime happens in the ghetto. In my opinion - if im going to be prepared to defend myself, I should ALWAYS be prepared. not just when i think im more likely to be in a bad situation. This is why I always carry. as it is, I have the right to defend myself & my property. just because I live in a nice neighborhood, does not mean that there isnt crime. CRIME HAPPENS EVERYWHERE. and there is no way to predict it. I CAN however, prepare myself for it. I agree with the other here who say that gun control will not help the crime rates in america. I think that law abiding citizens who legally obtain & own guns, do not cause the vast majority of the crime that happens. te last thing a crminal wants to do is to walk into a police department, sit in fromt of a detective, and ask for a background check so he can get a CCW. bringing down the illegal flow of guns onto the streets in my opinion, will lower violent crimes.

and i must say, that article on Switzerland is VERY interesting.

Originally Posted by HatchSurfer3

IMO, people who carry their gun around all the time are just using it as a confidence booster. I feel bad for people who need a weapon to resolve a situation. If you are tough enough to carry a gun, u should be tough enough to actually use it. Both of which are sub-par in comparison to someone who will actually use words to resolve a situation, or if it comes to it, actually fighting like a man.

I do not carry a gun to end all situations that i come accross. A concealed gun can only be used lawfully to defends ones life from severe harm or death. and for the record: if the situation does come up where my life is put in jeopardy, I AM tough enough to use my gun, and I WILL.

I am all for using words & in the extreme "fighting like a man". however, when my life is threatened with a weapon, I want to have the tools necessary to win the confrontation. plainly put - if there is a gun in my face - words & my fist wont stop it, but my gun sure as s**t will.


does that make me a wimp?


no. It just makes me prepared.

[D Money]

I know most of you guys carry, but for the most part I was just messin around like usual.

See, it's hard for me to understand why you would need to carry a gun. If you need to defend yourself, you do it with your hands, not a gun thinggy. Take the ass beatin, get up a stronger man.

I just don't get the carry thing because im from NJ and in NJ that is illegal, so seeing something with a gun is all new to me. Like I said before, if I saw someone with a gun, I would probably just get away from that person.

[mr_eh]

Originally Posted by subwrxkid

I know most of you guys carry, but for the most part I was just messin around like usual.

See, it's hard for me to understand why you would need to carry a gun. If you need to defend yourself, you do it with your hands, not a gun thinggy. Take the ass beatin, get up a stronger man.

I just don't get the carry thing because im from NJ and in NJ that is illegal, so seeing something with a gun is all new to me. Like I said before, if I saw someone with a gun, I would probably just get away from that person.

the arguement as to why people would carry all the time is simple...

to have it incase an aggressor pulls one out i suppose...

[WKderF]

Originally Posted by subwrxkid

See, it's hard for me to understand why you would need to carry a gun. If you need to defend yourself, you do it with your hands, not a gun thinggy. Take the ass beatin, get up a stronger man.

Im all for takin the beating & defending myself. but are you gona take a fist to a dude with a gun who comes at you? If i get a gun pointed my way, the only thing thats gonna help me is letting the bad guy know that there is one pointed right back at him.

[mr_eh]

Originally Posted by WKderF

Im all for takin the beating & defending myself. but are you gona take a fist to a dude with a gun who comes at you? If i get a gun pointed my way, the only thing thats gonna help me is letting the bad guy know that there is one pointed right back at him.

see i dont visualize the person your dealing with as stable to begin with - as per the gun they are pointing at you already, you can pull out your peice and point it but you know what? the pricks putting one in you because he has nothing to lose and lost his upper hand, his only chance is to put one in you before you put one in him...

sometimes leveling the playing field only raises the stakes =/

[alachua]

Originally Posted by subwrxkid

I know most of you guys carry, but for the most part I was just messin around like usual.

See, it's hard for me to understand why you would need to carry a gun. If you need to defend yourself, you do it with your hands, not a gun thinggy. Take the ass beatin, get up a stronger man.

I just don't get the carry thing because im from NJ and in NJ that is illegal, so seeing something with a gun is all new to me. Like I said before, if I saw someone with a gun, I would probably just get away from that person.

It technically isn't illegal in NJ, however, they are a Restricted Issue state, and their current policies dictate that almost all applicants are declined.

I agree with Fred, when it comes to CCW, it really is a matter of carrying all the time (except where expressly forbidden ie: schools, government buildings), and not just when you think you may need it. The example you used of 'take your beating and walk away stronger' may hold up if you get into a fight because you run your mouth at the bar, but what about when some guy runs up to your car when you and your girlfriend are in it, strapped in with your harnesses, and he points a gun and tells you to get the f out of the car before he kills you? What then? A CCW is not a license to kill, nor is it a hero badge, or an invite to be Captain Save-a-ho, it is there as a last resort, for your personal self defense when you are in a life threatening situation, and flight is not a reasonable option.

For a good example of this, just last week an owner of a Philadelphia diner shot two armed robbers. (article here)

Recently, the Washington DC ban on handgun ownership was appealed and deemed unconstitutional, and while further appeals are expected, this could be a huge move in the right direction in defense of citizens rights.

-Cliff

[WKderF]

That is why us responsibe gun owners educate ourselves to be aware of our surroundings & learn to handle our weapons effeciently. i know that when a sitution has taken a turn for the severe, and my life is in danger, I will present my gun and defend myself to the best of my ability. im NOT saying im gonna win, but i AM saying that im gonna have all of the tools and education necessary to do so.

[alachua]

Originally Posted by mr_eh

see i dont visualize the person your dealing with as stable to begin with - as per the gun they are pointing at you already, you can pull out your peice and point it but you know what? the pricks putting one in you because he has nothing to lose and lost his upper hand, his only chance is to put one in you before you put one in him...

sometimes leveling the playing field only raises the stakes =/

If you pull a gun on a person to get them to back off, you have committed a felony by brandishing a weapon. If you shoot that person, you must be able to prove that it was in self defense, and escape was not a safe option. Even if you are found criminally innocent, you may still face a civil suit from the family of the 'poor innocent victim who never did nobody no wrong'.

-Cliff

[S4toSTI]

Originally Posted by alachua

If you pull a gun on a person to get them to back off, you have committed a felony by brandishing a weapon. If you shoot that person, you must be able to prove that it was in self defense, and escape was not a safe option. Even if you are found criminally innocent, you may still face a civil suit from the family of the 'poor innocent victim who never did nobody no wrong'.

-Cliff

And i think the quote goes i would rather be judged by 12 then carried by six. If 5 guys come up to me with knives on the street and surround me and say they are going to kill me i am sorry but the gun is coming out i know they only have knives but there are 5 of them. I would take a brandishing charge anyday of the week over being dead. I am not saying i am going to show my weapon at the drop of the hat but given a threatening situation and feeling my life is in danger i am much less likely to be worried about being charged with brandishing.

[S4toSTI]

Originally Posted by HatchSurfer3

IMO, people who carry their gun around all the time are just using it as a confidence booster. I feel bad for people who need a weapon to resolve a situation. If you are tough enough to carry a gun, u should be tough enough to actually use it. Both of which are sub-par in comparison to someone who will actually use words to resolve a situation, or if it comes to it, actually fighting like a man.

Fighting like a man, interesting. So a person who is trying to steal you car has a gun and figures to himself well f this i don't want any witness' so i am going to kill this kid in the car so they don't find me as quickly. So in that situation i should you my words and my fists to resolve the situation righttttt. If someone is looking to harm you they are going to it is your right to protect yourself with equal force. Let me tell you something the criminals in this world have guns and they are willing to use them just watch the news. Ok and to adress carrying it all of the time its gonna suck when you leave it at home and that is the one day that you need it. And if you think of this as a cool thing you are sorely wrong.

Originally Posted by HatchSurfer3

Dude, chill, i reread it with the spelling correction, congrats to you. I specifically said that i wasnt insulting you. Whatever is up ur ass must be sideways, good luck getting it out

I am chill just trying to keep this on topic not complaining about titles.

Originally Posted by subwrxkid

I don't see a need for you to carry your gun Barry. Sometimes when I get mad at you I think about punching you in the grill piece, but then I remind myself that you got the heat.

What are you going to do with the gun at a diner anyways? Shoot someone because a fight breaks out? I mean, then you would just go to jail, is that worth it?

I'm from Jersey, so this whole legal carrying a gun thing is new to me. If I saw a dude carrying a gun in NJ, I would be like ****, he has a gun. He is going to murder bitches! In PA, I see some Jewish kid rockin his piece on his studded white belt and im like, um, yo kid? Wanna go to the library?

Dimitri lets be serious here your not gonna hit me cause i would hit you back and i know you don't want me messing up your gel job.

[C'DALERIDER]

I some how doubt that you Barry will ever put yourself in that 5-guy situation. Don’t worry fellas, the gun carrying days will wear off as you grow up. Guaranteed! You will still carry some times as I do, but not all the time. I use to carry all the time and i pulled my 45 glock twice! Once when i saw a man come out of a bush and try to open my girlfriends car door (i was in front of her) and once when she was blind sided by a drunk driver. The former was NEEDED but the later was stupid.
Ill try to find you guys when you are over 35 and see if you are still carrying religiously.

true, fighting like a man has nothing to do with carrying. Its pretty much a life or death situation at that point.

[S4toSTI]

Originally Posted by C'DALERIDER

I some how doubt that you Barry will ever put yourself in that 5-guy situation. Don’t worry fellas, the gun carrying days will wear off as you grow up. Guaranteed! You will still carry some times as I do, but not all the time. I use to carry all the time and i pulled my 45 glock twice! Once when i saw a man come out of a bush and try to open my girlfriends car door (i was in front of her) and once when she was blind sided by a drunk driver. The former was NEEDED but the later was stupid.
Ill try to find you guys when you are over 35 and see if you are still carrying religiously.

I don't carry everyday either. If i am going to work i don't carry cause well i don't know how my boss wold react to it.

[C'DALERIDER]

Me, i dont mind when my friends carry at all. It alittle nice knowing that if a crazy F starts shooting up the Mall at least 5 - 10 people in the mall are gona pull out a weapon and protect US! Truth!