9/11 Conspiracy video, 1 hour long.

[wrx_snobordr]

I personally cant buy into these stories. All I do know is that on that day 2 planes flew into and took down the world trade centers. People are taking heresay and structural "should haves" and usign them as solid facts.

Yes, a fireman was filmed saying, "there were bombs inside", I heard them. But in a dramitic situation like that the human brain has been proven time and time again to be the least credible sorce for reliable information. Think about what was said when COrey Lidles plane hit that apartment building. The first report I heard said it was a small commercial liner another news agency reported it as helicopter, these were what witnesses reported seeing. What did we learn, it was neither, it was a small personal aircraft.

Second, how many structural failures and engineering disasters have there been? Countless! Discovery channel has a whole 10 or more part series on the major ones. Plans that were so thought out and critiqued by industry professionals, but when put into use failed, miserably. Stadium roofs have collapsed, bridges have been shaken apart by winds frequency, buildings have collapsed because builders misread blue prints...**** happens. All Im saying is its very easy to say "these buildings should be able to take the force fo a jet" " A fire shouldnt bring down a building" but is that somethign that is tested? Sure they test metal for fatigue in fire conditions and they test the fire proofing foam. But did they test the metal for fatigue when it is under full load or beyond capacity due to structural supports being taken out by a jet liner? Did the test the fire proofing foam for hours in a blazing jet fuel, fueled inferno? I doubt it. There have been buildings that are supposed to be earthquake proof and have been toppled, buildings that are hurricane proof and have been blown over. All im saying is think about it. Just because some art student thinks a building should be able to withstand it or just because a crazy professor from colorado thinks that since its never happened before it is impossible for it to happen doesnt make it so.

If this really was a hge conspiracy do you not thinkt he news outlets would eb all over it as they are on every other mishap of this presidential administration? Warrwntless wire taps.. OUTED, waterboarding..OUTED, false intel on Iraq..OUTED...why would this be any different?

yeah there is some crazy **** that went on that day. There are also alot of coincidences. But to say the gov planned it would have taken bi-administration colaboration because the planning for 9/11 started way before the Bush administration took office. Seeing how he was an oil tycoon it isnt to strange that he has ties to the bin laden family. people in power tend to have other friends or atleast aquantences that are also in powerful positions. that doesnt always mean they are conspiring to bring buildings down though.

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by wrx_snobordr

I personally cant buy into these stories. All I do know is that on that day 2 planes flew into and took down the world trade centers. People are taking heresay and structural "should haves" and usign them as solid facts.

Yes, a fireman was filmed saying, "there were bombs inside", I heard them. But in a dramitic situation like that the human brain has been proven time and time again to be the least credible sorce for reliable information. Think about what was said when COrey Lidles plane hit that apartment building. The first report I heard said it was a small commercial liner another news agency reported it as helicopter, these were what witnesses reported seeing. What did we learn, it was neither, it was a small personal aircraft.

Second, how many structural failures and engineering disasters have there been? Countless! Discovery channel has a whole 10 or more part series on the major ones. Plans that were so thought out and critiqued by industry professionals, but when put into use failed, miserably. Stadium roofs have collapsed, bridges have been shaken apart by winds frequency, buildings have collapsed because builders misread blue prints...**** happens. All Im saying is its very easy to say "these buildings should be able to take the force fo a jet" " A fire shouldnt bring down a building" but is that somethign that is tested? Sure they test metal for fatigue in fire conditions and they test the fire proofing foam. But did they test the metal for fatigue when it is under full load or beyond capacity due to structural supports being taken out by a jet liner? Did the test the fire proofing foam for hours in a blazing jet fuel, fueled inferno? I doubt it. There have been buildings that are supposed to be earthquake proof and have been toppled, buildings that are hurricane proof and have been blown over. All im saying is think about it. Just because some art student thinks a building should be able to withstand it or just because a crazy professor from colorado thinks that since its never happened before it is impossible for it to happen doesnt make it so.

If this really was a hge conspiracy do you not thinkt he news outlets would eb all over it as they are on every other mishap of this presidential administration? Warrwntless wire taps.. OUTED, waterboarding..OUTED, false intel on Iraq..OUTED...why would this be any different?

yeah there is some crazy **** that went on that day. There are also alot of coincidences. But to say the gov planned it would have taken bi-administration colaboration because the planning for 9/11 started way before the Bush administration took office. Seeing how he was an oil tycoon it isnt to strange that he has ties to the bin laden family. people in power tend to have other friends or atleast aquantences that are also in powerful positions. that doesnt always mean they are conspiring to bring buildings down though.

I agree. Everyone is so quick to believe crap like these videos, because it is the easy thing to do.

One video points out that 'the material from the buildings was quickly removed, never to be seen again'.....No $h!t. It was sorted/screened for human remains, then sent out to various testing labs to find out what failed. A fair amount of structural steel went directly to the old Bethlehem Steel facility at Lehigh University for testing, not to be 'quickly destroyed'. I saw it and touched the stuff with my own dirty little fingers.....not exactly top secret/classified information when your cabana boy can check it out

The other part that kills me is when they talk about the 'real' planes landing in Ohio or something and all of the passengers being executed. They try to make me believe this horse$h!t by showing me video footage of a heavy military presence at an airport, where every civilian had to evacuate, mostly on foot....once again, NO $H!T....hundreds of airplanes got grounded at one time, extreme security measures at airports, mass transit is shut down, thousands of people have no way to get home other than walk under heavy security....because at THAT point, everyone was a suspect.

This isn't rocket science. I could go on and on but I'm already bored.

[Renegade_]

Originally Posted by poolmike

The other part that kills me is when they talk about the 'real' planes landing in Ohio or something and all of the passengers being executed. They try to make me believe this horse$h!t by showing me video footage of a heavy military presence at an airport, where every civilian had to evacuate, mostly on foot....once again, NO $H!T....hundreds of airplanes got grounded at one time, extreme security measures at airports, mass transit is shut down, thousands of people have no way to get home other than walk under heavy security....because at THAT point, everyone was a suspect.

THESE are the conspiracies that are just plan dumb and I don't even think about. If someone would come up with a conspiracy that doesn't take extreme measures like this I would watch it.

But watching it doesn't mean I would agree with it, I would just be seeing people's opinions on the subject matter. They may argue it's not opinion but I just like seeing how people interpret facts.

[Intercooled T]

Originally Posted by On Sale

the thing that gets me. its the hermetically (air tight for u idiots) sealed elevator shafts somehow let pressure shoot 100 floors down and blow the tile off the walls, and how "bombs" were going off on the 34th floor (interview with NYFD fire fighter with missing arm thanks to a bomb on the 34th floor). People need to look and see, bush planned this. empty planes, nobody in them. no plane at the pentagon, no plane in pa. only 2 at the wtc's. all the passengers that were "on-board" all "4" planes were all really on one flight, flight 93. which was confirmed by the mayor of Cincinnati (in a press confrence) and United Airlines themselves, to have landed in Cincinnati around 9:45am . and almost 200 (the number of all the people on all 4 planes) people were taken into a N.A.S.A. hanger, and executed, but not before they were forced to make the calls to their familys (hence the no reception on planes, why not make them on the ground?!?!?) and the airport was evacuated an army soldiers with m16's told any pedestrians at the airport waiting for flights if they tried to walk back or look back they would be shot and killed. there is actually video footage of 100's of people walking down a highway from the airport, they wouldnt even let them take buses or cars. Im sorry to you people who probably hate me now, but i thought for a long long long LONG time on this subject and i looked at the HARD facts , and came to realize this was an inside job. For christs sake, 12 of the 19 high jackers are still alive!!! 12 out of 19! i guess 7 people did all of this ****. haha. yea right.

that's gotta be the funniest load of garbage I've ever heard lol....

you've got all the answers, huh? gwhahahhahaha

glad you thought for a long long long time, but sounds like you blew a fuse in that skull of yours

[Intercooled T]

oh yea, if there were 'witnesses' like you speak, don't you think the media would have put them all on television to speak out against Bush like everyone else?

i like how you take everyone's opinions and 'theories' and try and make them sound like facts....truth is, none of your rhetoric has been proved in the slightest

[Intercooled T]

Originally Posted by smelly240

everyone believes deep down that something wasnt right with that whole deal...

nope. sorry.

everyone believes it was a tragedy, to say the least.

[Intercooled T]

Originally Posted by On Sale

honestly haha, it was bush. i can see it in his eyes. plus he has said more dumb **** in his speeches then i have said while drunk/stoned. where does he come up wit the **** he says.

my fav. quote:

"I know human being and fish can co-exist peacfully"... <-- wtf? he actually said this in a conference.

wow, someone who advertises they get drunk/stoned wants me to believe them or consider them credible...you make this too easy.

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by Intercooled T

wow, someone who advertises they get drunk/stoned wants me to believe them or consider them credible...you make this too easy.

I hear that.

[Renegade_]

I think Occum's Razor should be applied to 9/11 and we'll leave it at that.

[wrx_snobordr]

Originally Posted by Renegade_

I think Occum's Razor should be applied to 9/11 and we'll leave it at that.

The only problem with that is you need a certain level of common sense. Some people are so caught up in hating the current administration they are convinced that anything and everythign that goes on in this country can be connected to it. To them the Bush Administration and to a lesser extent the republican congress is the most likely explination because they so badly want it to be.

[Renegade_]

I will say this:

I sure as hell don't like how the war has been handled or the current direction the country is going in (then again, that might change with the transfer of power in the house... then again I am not dumb enough to believe that this will change everything) with the massive amount of debt we have accumulated etc etc... Then again, could I do better? I doubt I could on either economic, political or war fronts. People dying is part of war and it happens, but I am not without sympathy for those who have family and friends in the service. I couldn't pull an Alan Greenspan supermove and all of a sudden the debt is paid off... And I sure as hell am not renowned at political talks....

But that doesn't mean I will go out of my way to justify my dis-like with the current administration by pegging them with killing thousands of americans.

Why do the people feel like they HAVE to be screwed by the government at every corner? The government isn't out to screw everyone. Bush isn't smart enough to come up with this plan (I keed)

[PotenzaSub]

I might have come into this conversion a little late, but:

Originally Posted by Drftpretty

Interesting

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...pid+arab&hl=en

drftpretty, and you're in Med School. I thought you were smart man. I believed this stuff for about 2 seconds. Then I did some further research and found out that the producers misquoted witnesses (ie. CNN correspondents) and used misconstrued facts.

Time magazine did an article on these conspiracy theories several weeks ago. http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...531304,00.html

It basically says that we need complex explanations to explain these seemingly random acts of terrorism. And of course, it proves the theories wrong.

And, didn't you watch that South Park episode on this issue? Lol.

Originally Posted by Renegade_

I think Occum's Razor should be applied to 9/11 and we'll leave it at that.

House M.D. FTW!

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by PotenzaSub

I might have come into this conversion a little late, but:



drftpretty, and you're in Med School. I thought you were smart man.

They don't teach common sense in college. In fact, if you take a BROAD look at the political spectrum, most professors are, well, now you know.

[awdlaserbeam]

There is alot of information in that video which is given out of its original context and some information given that has nothing to do with anything other than to decept you into believing the govt is lying. But then again there are a few things in there that do raise some suspicion.

Alot of those interviews people say they heard "explosions" almost like a bomb. When an untrained person is put in a situation like that, they will see and interpuret things the way they think that they happned not the way they did. If a fire fighter said he heard the wall fall and it sounded like it had exploded, how would he know the difference in the sound from a wall falling that had collapsed to the sound of a wall falling that had been imploded.

One of their arguements that sticks out to me is the part with the plane hitting the pentagon and taking out street lights. They show pictures of the damage to a 2 seater plane after hitting a telephone pole, and then compare it to a comercial plane 5x the size traveling 5 times the speed (although they didnt mention that part). Then they try and say that if indeed it was a plane that hit the pentagon it should have fallen apart from hitting the street lights before it hit the pentagon bc they have pictures from a small plane that hit a street light. I dont think those two things can be compared equally in the manner which they were.

[awdlaserbeam]

Originally Posted by On Sale

the thing that gets me. its the hermetically (air tight for u idiots) sealed elevator shafts somehow let pressure shoot 100 floors down and blow the tile off the walls, and how "bombs" were going off on the 34th floor (interview with NYFD fire fighter with missing arm thanks to a bomb on the 34th floor). People need to look and see, bush planned this. empty planes, nobody in them. no plane at the pentagon, no plane in pa. only 2 at the wtc's. all the passengers that were "on-board" all "4" planes were all really on one flight, flight 93. which was confirmed by the mayor of Cincinnati (in a press confrence) and United Airlines themselves, to have landed in Cincinnati around 9:45am . and almost 200 (the number of all the people on all 4 planes) people were taken into a N.A.S.A. hanger, and executed, but not before they were forced to make the calls to their familys (hence the no reception on planes, why not make them on the ground?!?!?) and the airport was evacuated an army soldiers with m16's told any pedestrians at the airport waiting for flights if they tried to walk back or look back they would be shot and killed. there is actually video footage of 100's of people walking down a highway from the airport, they wouldnt even let them take buses or cars. Im sorry to you people who probably hate me now, but i thought for a long long long LONG time on this subject and i looked at the HARD facts , and came to realize this was an inside job. For christs sake, 12 of the 19 high jackers are still alive!!! 12 out of 19! i guess 7 people did all of this ****. haha. yea right.

Wow did you help produce this movie, bc i think those things were said in the video..... How would you know that those phone calls were made from the ground in a NASA hanger. Just because you are in a plane does not mean that a cell phone doesnt work. If you are on a plane that is about to crash into the ground, you are probably only a couple hundered feet off the ground. Im sure you can get some cell phone repection only a few hundred feet off the ground. I might even go as far as saying there are cell phone towers that are more than a couple hundred feet off the ground, maybe like the ones that were ontop of the world trade center, over 1000+ feet off the ground.

[LSHatch]

Originally Posted by wrx_snobordr

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yeah there is some crazy **** that went on that day. There are also alot of coincidences. But to say the gov planned it would have taken bi-administration colaboration because the planning for 9/11 started way before the Bush administration took office. Seeing how he was an oil tycoon it isnt to strange that he has ties to the bin laden family. people in power tend to have other friends or atleast aquantences that are also in powerful positions. that doesnt always mean they are conspiring to bring buildings down though.

End the thread now please.

This is the extent of the ties and "planning" of what happened. Exactly as stated, people of power have ties to other people of power. Apparently, some of you can't comprehend that.

Bin Laden family is an extremely wealthy family in an OIL rich country, why would Bush not have ties with them? I'm sure Exxon Mobil, BP, Sunoco, and whoever else you get gas from have ties with them too. Are you going to boycott all gasoline companies now?

[LSHatch]

Originally Posted by On Sale

the thing that gets me. its the hermetically (air tight for u idiots) sealed elevator shafts somehow let pressure shoot 100 floors down and blow the tile off the walls, and how "bombs" were going off on the 34th floor (interview with NYFD fire fighter with missing arm thanks to a bomb on the 34th floor). People need to look and see, bush planned this. empty planes, nobody in them. no plane at the pentagon, no plane in pa. only 2 at the wtc's. all the passengers that were "on-board" all "4" planes were all really on one flight, flight 93. which was confirmed by the mayor of Cincinnati (in a press confrence) and United Airlines themselves, to have landed in Cincinnati around 9:45am . and almost 200 (the number of all the people on all 4 planes) people were taken into a N.A.S.A. hanger, and executed, but not before they were forced to make the calls to their familys (hence the no reception on planes, why not make them on the ground?!?!?) and the airport was evacuated an army soldiers with m16's told any pedestrians at the airport waiting for flights if they tried to walk back or look back they would be shot and killed. there is actually video footage of 100's of people walking down a highway from the airport, they wouldnt even let them take buses or cars. Im sorry to you people who probably hate me now, but i thought for a long long long LONG time on this subject and i looked at the HARD facts , and came to realize this was an inside job. For christs sake, 12 of the 19 high jackers are still alive!!! 12 out of 19! i guess 7 people did all of this ****. haha. yea right.

Um...... what the hell did you drink/smoke before posting this??

Oh yeah, all the victims were put in one plane, then executed in a NASA facility. After that, they all went on the Starship Voyager and hung out with Spock and Kirk.

You are out of your mind.

[Renegade_]

Originally Posted by PotenzaSub

House M.D. FTW!

What has that got to do with anything? Was it just on house? I have never watched that show, but I have done a paper on the effects of occum's razor in modern civilization...

[On Sale]

wow. cool. insult me for drinking. no i dont smoke weed either asshole. second, i can believe whatever the **** i want to.

No i didnt make that ****in movie either. You ****ing people are seriously retarted if you think this was all on osama bin laden. Bush is friends with him. haha. you people make me sick. keep living the american dream under the governments control. cause sooner or later bush is going to slip up and say the wrong thing, or someone is coming out and exposing the truth.

As for you intercooled t , no i was not drunk/high when i wrote any of that. ok. second, jet fuel cant melt the metal made to built the twin towers. K? so shut up now thanks.

[Drftpretty]

lol wow, I bailed out just in time