One of them Blue Focus ST's

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by 09Speed3Z

You said yourself that tuning is the key to the ST platform.

So a box tune isn't going to maximize your potential.

Get it custom tuned and your results will be much better than an OTS style map.

I never said a box tune was best. I was posting an example of stock ST with a tune.

[dastpe]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

NOt sure of the aftermarket but I doubt that will be an issue.

Tuning is the key to this platform. Unleashed tuning(using SCT) has a graph on their website: 230 fwhp and 278 fwtq stock and after the tune it jumps up to 253 fwhp and 323 fwtq. I'm sure there are others as well.

I'm read that just replacing the flex pipe is 15-20hp gained untuned.

They are direct injected so I doubt you will have to do anything fuel related any time soon.

This platform will have potential for good power but I highly doubt bolt ons in the long run will do much of anything.

the bold parts prove you know nothing about DI or the turbo platform that these cars run on. if you actually look at the dyno graphs you would see that the TQ is only that high for a split second and then falls on its face, just like the HP.
oh, you read something will give you power? congrats on that. i heard that if you remove the emblems and put on a NOS sticker its +20whp.
also, how would bolt ons not add power?!? anything to free up air into and out of the turbo makes power.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by dastpe

how would bolt ons not add power?!? anything to free up air into and out of the turbo makes power.

Tuning, cams, turbo upgrades, cooler temps, heads, ect... make power. Bolt-ons for the most part don't do much by themselves... and if they do you bought a ****ty designed car in the first place.

[dastpe]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

Tuning, cams, turbo upgrades, cooler temps, heads, ect... make power. Bolt-ons for the most part don't do much by themselves.

yeah, youre probably right. exhaust, intakes, intercoolers, downpipes, etc. dont do anything for power. someone forgot to tell that to my cars...my MS3 is making the power in my sig on stock turbo, stock cams, 75deg temps, stock internals, just bolt ons.

and even if its all in the tuning as you say, tuning+bolt ons=WIN

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by dastpe

yeah, youre probably right. exhaust, intakes, intercoolers, downpipes, etc. dont do anything for power. someone forgot to tell that to my cars...my MS3 is making the power in my sig on stock turbo, stock cams, 75deg temps, stock internals, just bolt ons.

and even if its all in the tuning as you say, tuning+bolt ons=WIN

No fuel pump internals?

What do the MS3 dyno at with just a good tune?

[mcperson2k]

Originally Posted by dastpe

if you actually look at the dyno graphs you would see that the TQ is only that high for a split second and then falls on its face, just like the HP.

So what your saying is, that hes correct about the HP and TQ numbers?

[dastpe]

Originally Posted by mcperson2k

So what your saying is, that hes correct about the HP and TQ numbers?

sure he is technically correct, but when tuning the goal is to get consistent power and not hit your highest for a split second and then go to crap. look at a protuned dyno for a turbo car and then compare it to SCTs.

[dastpe]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

No fuel pump internals?

What do the MS3 dyno at with just a good tune?

yes, fuel pump internals. not engine internals. who gets a stock car tuned?

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by dastpe

who gets a stock car tuned?

That wasn't my question.

[mcperson2k]

I know a lot of people who get tuned in stock cars, especially in the BMW community.

Also, WRX comes to mind... Doesn't a tune on stock WRX make almost the same power that the STI does?

[dastpe]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

That wasn't my question.

okay, to answer: 235.2whp and 257wtq
but that means nothing unless the cars are done on the same dyno in the same conditions. being the gearhead that you are you should know this.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by dastpe

okay, to answer: 235.2whp and 257wtq
but that means nothing unless the cars are done on the same dyno in the same conditions. being the gearhead that you are you should know this.

Hard to believe you gained an estimated 90whp from just bolt ons. Granted I know nothing specific about your platform... but it just seems crazy.

I know different dynos/times but even if there is a 10% varience thats still a very large gain, assuming your car would dyno stock in the same ball park as you posted above, much more then I would of expected.

[dastpe]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

Hard to believe you gained an estimated 90whp from just bolt ons. Granted I know nothing specific about your platform... but it just seems crazy.

I know different dynos/times but even if there is a 10% varience thats still a very large gain... much more then I would of expected.

my initial dyno was ~40whp increase from just bolt ons. with a cobb protune i got ~50whp. so while i agree the tune was more power, that amount of power would not have been acheivable without the bolt ons for various reasons.

dynos are a huge difference depending on the calibration. for example, the dyno my evo was tuned on is a mustang dyno nicknamed the heartbreaker. if that setup were put on a regular dynojet it would make considerably more power.

[TR MS3]

Sweet, I would like to see this car in person. Any interior shots?

My short and sweet on MZR DI from my past 5 years of ownership

1) If you mod PLEASE! Monitor HPFP (Has little to do with the company implementing it, and more to do with tuning strategy. If I had to guess with the MPG's you have been getting the stock tune is wild in terms of load tables. And that caused us lots of headaches!)
2) Target Boost tune (Would you like an engine block coffee table?)
3) Load Base tunes. (Win)
4) Read Abilor's Tooning Guide, this will save your n00b life. (Plus it will save me a lot of typing)

[Brianb351]

[QUOTE=jpalamar;2182459]Hard to believe you gained an estimated 90whp from just bolt ons. Granted I know nothing specific about your platform... but it just seems crazy.



I gained 69whp on my STi with an intake, downpipe and protune over stock (241 to 309whp). You simply have to find the restrictions on your specific platform and remove them. Then, tune for the new parts.
And lets not forget, a tubo is a bolt-on. I was putting down 365 hp at the wheels before i installed any upgraded internal parts.