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KustomZ03 · 03-25-2011, 09:07 AM

My grandpa was killed by a drunk driver so I don't mind check points but I do have a ridiculous story about one...

My wife had her wisdom teeth taken out and I was taking my brother in law and his friend home from visiting her when we came across a check point. I rolled my window down and greeted the officer. He asked where we were coming from and I explained the situation. The jackass then proceeded to ask me if I spoke english (i am hispanic)...uhhh wasn't I just talking to him? I politely told him yes. He then asked me to pull over and told all three of us to get out of the car. Another officer came over and asked if I knew the alphabet and to start reciting it (wtf!). Then the first officer came over with a beathalyzer. I was irritated at this point but had no problem doing it since we clearly had not been drinking. I guess my brother in laws friend couldn't handle everything bc he passed out right there on the spot and they had to take him away in an ambulance. After he got taken away they let us go, but I wasn't allowed to take my brother in law home. He had to call his mom who had to pick him up before I could leave. I've never been so pissed off in my life. I filed a complaint with the police department, but nothing ever came of it of course.

mr_eh · 03-25-2011, 09:27 AM

DUI check spots are fine - mobile inspection stations PISS ME THE **** OFF.

Godofelru · 03-25-2011, 09:46 AM

I don't mind DUI stops at all. IN fact driving drunk is the worst thing someone can do... Seriously just don't... Be responsible.

I went through a mobile inspection station today. They didn't say anything about my tint or not having a front license plate. I greeted the officer good morning by his title which was seargent(sp?) he asked where I was off to I explained and showed my work badge, he said have a great day and drive safely.

DB Dude · 03-25-2011, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jpalamar

I highly doubt the app is going to make much of a difference in the long run. If your dumb enough to drive drunk your dumb enough not to check the app.

idk, if you're smart enough to drive a car....i think you can be smart enough to check your phone for notifications. I know plenty of "IQ Smart" people that drive drunk. Plus, if you KNOW you are going to be driving drunk, then I think you will be a little bit more conscious of checking your phone for the checkpoint notifications. I will agree that drunk drivers probably are not checking the newspaper listings tho.

I almost hope a drunk driver gets a notification and avoids a checkpoint, only to cause a fatal accident, so the apple store can be sued. Its just like aiding and abetting a criminal -- the app enables and makes it easier to commit a crime (DUI). I don't see how it is legally justifiable. If cops come to my door with a warrant for my friend, and I say I haven't seen him. Then I go pickup my cell phone and text my friend to GTFO of the country, that is aiding and abetting, ie. enabling him to avoid being arrested. I don't see how this App is any different.

PAFirefighter11 · 03-25-2011, 01:01 PM

I have been on more DUI checkpoints than a lot of LEO's that I know. We supplied lighting and a secondary heated/cooled shelter for the officers.

I am sure it has been said, but the vehicle is stopped, the driver is asked a few questions. The driver side LEO is visually checking the driver for signs of intoxication. The passenger side LEO is visually inspecting the vehicle interior (what can be seen from outside). If signs of intoxication, or possible illegal substances, etc., are visible in the vehicle, the occupants are asked to step out of the vehicle as probable cause has now been asserted. I have also driven through several check points and was never upset at anything that happened. I cannot count the amount of drunk drivers I saw, ranging in age from teenagers to 70 year old ladies (no joke)! I am more than happy that these people were removed from the roads that myself, my friends, and my family were driving on.

Oh, and FWIW: I was hit by a Drunk Driver about 8 years ago. A year+ of Physical Therapy and perm. pain in my neck/back are what I am dealing with. Thankfully that is all as it could have been much worse (90 MPH rear end impact).

vdcoff · 03-25-2011, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBowTies88

I wouldn't have a problem with them if they only looked for DUI suspects instead if hassling you about everything illegal on your car

ah yes

PAFirefighter11 · 03-25-2011, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RedBowTies88

I wouldn't have a problem with them if they only looked for DUI suspects instead if hassling you about everything illegal on your car

Not to be a dick but if it's illegal you should expect to be hassled for it whether at a DUI checkpoint or in a Wawa parking lot.

evomike · 03-25-2011, 01:50 PM

I'll never understand how anyone gets caught for a DUI in a chekpoint, they are always in the same spot they tell you whenthey will be they are completely avoidable.

Bane · 03-25-2011, 02:00 PM

because we all know how intelligent people who have been drinking can be

PAFirefighter11 · 03-25-2011, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Bane

because we all know how intelligent people who have been drinking can be

This!

Oh the stories I could tell of 70 year old women driving straight through without stopping, or the people who realize it's a DUI checkpoint, slam on their brakes, and try to turn around, hitting a car, curb and tree on the way... Oye...

DPancoast · 03-25-2011, 05:13 PM

I've never had a problem with checkpoints. the officers in my area know my (cars) and usually say whats up and ask me if anything is new.

I dont really care about them. its not ruining my night.

Beachcomber · 03-25-2011, 05:29 PM

In Delaware they put them anywhere at anytime with no warning .. And they especially like the southern points of rte 1 coming out of Dewey Beach and Ocean City .. When you see the cones you will notice they are slightly different then the ones the state use for construction ..

Chris B. · 03-25-2011, 06:04 PM

If they ban the apps, they will still be available to people with hacked, rooted, etc... phones. It won't do much to stop the use of the apps.

JSpecV03 · 03-26-2011, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris B.

If they ban the apps, they will still be available to people with hacked, rooted, etc... phones. It won't do much to stop the use of the apps.

not only that, but someone sending a mass text saying there is one is usally what happeneds. theres no way to "ban" that.

R22B · 03-26-2011, 02:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bane

Shes not a lawyer because if she was she would understand the difference in stops and understand that a checkpoint is a mere encounter, no information is legally required to be given to the officer in a mere encounter. Its the same as if I walked up to you on the street and just asked for your information of where you were coming from, you have no legal obligation to tell me if I am not conducting and investigation. So if I walk up to your vehicle at a check point and ask where you are coming from in a mere encounter you are not required to give me any information in which your 4th amendment rights are intact. But if I walk up to you car and smell alcohol then I have reason to believe a crime is in progress and can now require you to identify yourself to me. Again as if I was walking up to you randomly on the street, if I approach you and ask for your information you are not required to give it to me but if I have reason to believe that you are in the commission of a crime I am now conducting and investigation and you are required to identify yourself to me.

A persons 4th amendment rights are in full effect at a checkpoint unless an officer as probable cause to believe they are in the commission of a crime. If an officer asks for your information on at a checkpoint you are not required to give it to him because of your 4th amendment rights

....tweet that

You are so full of win.

To the complainers: Is a checkpoint that much of an inconvenience? Honestly? It takes a few minutes out of your trip and very well could have saved you, a family members, or a friends life. I had a family friend drive drunk on Christmas Eve and nearly rip his face off. A DUI checkpoint could have changed that. Imagine if he hit a person or another car instead of a telephone pole? The situation could have been much worse. He could have called a cab, but he instead decided to drive and it changed his life forever. Is a shot of Jager really worth it?

I'm not going to say that all DUI'ers should be killed on the spot. Everyone makes bad choices. Some people get away with it and some people learn the hard way. People who get busted are the lucky ones because chances are the officer save the life of them or someone else in the future. Sure, there are repeat offenders who should be beat, but I won't get into that.

Before you go out, call your friends to see if they are available to pick you up or bring a DD with. If your friends aren't available because they are sleeping or busy, get new friends because they don't care if you end up dead or in jail. My wife and I switch DD roles every time we go. If you can't get a hold of anyone, I'm willing to bet your parents would be more than willing to pick you up at a bar at 3am.

I got off topic here, but honestly, as its been said before - if a friend or family members of yours were involved in an accident due to alcohol, your outlook on it would be 100% different.

As far as banning iPhone apps - I don't they think should. It's technically not breaking any laws... is it?

DB Dude · 03-26-2011, 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chris B.

If they ban the apps, they will still be available to people with hacked, rooted, etc... phones. It won't do much to stop the use of the apps.

right, similar to the way its very easy to buy marijuana. well, not really, the fact that its illegal makes it more difficult to obtain. obviously its impossible to completely eliminate it.

same applies to the apps. banning the app makes sense. I don't see how a company should be allowed to profit off of abetting drunk drivers. obviously you can't ban informational text messages, which is fine. just please make it a tad more difficult for a drunk driver to avoid a checkpoint and run over my kid when she is crossed the street. Its a rather fatalistic attitude to say "Its going to happen anyway (DUIs), so you might as well not try to do anything to curtail it.".

itwillboost · 03-26-2011, 09:05 PM

Drunk driving needs to be stopped and this is one of the easiest ways. I don't like checkpoints, and yes they are annoying, but if it means there are less drunk drivers on the road it's worth it.

itwillboost · 03-26-2011, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by R22B

Some people get away with it and some people learn the hard way. People who get busted are the lucky ones because chances are the officer save the life of them or someone else in the future. Sure, there are repeat offenders who should be beat, but I won't get into that.

Before you go out, call your friends to see if they are available to pick you up or bring a DD with. If your friends aren't available because they are sleeping or busy, get new friends because they don't care if you end up dead or in jail. My wife and I switch DD roles every time we go. If you can't get a hold of anyone, I'm willing to bet your parents would be more than willing to pick you up at a bar at 3am.

This is so true, I never mind picking up a friend regardless of the drive. I would prefer that compared to the other possiblity.

JankyS13 · 03-28-2011, 04:28 AM

For personal reasons that I do not feel like openly discussing on a forum. I feel that anyone who thinks its ok to Drink and Drive should be shot in the face. Hell if it was legal to do so, I would be on top of this before any one had a chance of becoming a victim due to some asshats poor decision making skills.

Now speaking about check points themselves, and the few I have gone through in my life time. I understand the reasoning and have no problems with said check points if they deal strictly w/ the reasoning of the stop. "to check if the driver is driving under the influence." Considering that I rarely drink except for special occasions "my birthday or death of a friend / family member" However, I make sure to have a DD. But when we go through those stops I can understand questioning the driver, I can understand possibly asking the passengers about their age and information that might pertain to it, such as an ID or verbal information. However I do have a problem w/ the stupid questions such as: have you been drinking tonight? UHM, Hi I'm the passenger. Where are you coming from, where are you going? Why are you going to drive us around so the DD can drink now? How much have you had to drink tonight? PASS-EN-GER! HI! waveshand And when officers have obtained information stating the the occupants all are of legal age and the driver is sober,please don't ask to search the vehicle. More so when the DD is operating the passengers vehicle. because you ass/u/me the djarum blacks that I "the passenger" might be smoking are covering up some narcotics, that are not there.

Luckily I have not had those experiences up here and crossing fingers, hopefully I won't either.

Since I only drink on rare occasions "my birthday or death of friends / family" I've found DUI check points good for they get the dumb ****s off the road. How ever, being the drunken passenger very few times in my life and going through DUI checkpoints. I found the questioning directed towards myself being an invasion. Have you been drinking? I'm the passenger, does it matter? Where are you coming from, Where are you going? Why are you going to come hang out and be my DD for the night? How much have you had to drink? Again, pass-en-ger, HI! " waveshand If there's going to be any question asked of the passenger it should be short simple to the point. first of age? its a simple thing, and information to prove just that, but nothing else.

03-25-2011, 09:27 AM	#42
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03-25-2011, 09:07 AM	#41
KustomZ03 Tri-State Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: 302 Member #7473 My Ride: [Cobalt SS/SC][xD][Wrangler] iTrader: (0)	My grandpa was killed by a drunk driver so I don't mind check points but I do have a ridiculous story about one... My wife had her wisdom teeth taken out and I was taking my brother in law and his friend home from visiting her when we came across a check point. I rolled my window down and greeted the officer. He asked where we were coming from and I explained the situation. The jackass then proceeded to ask me if I spoke english (i am hispanic)...uhhh wasn't I just talking to him? I politely told him yes. He then asked me to pull over and told all three of us to get out of the car. Another officer came over and asked if I knew the alphabet and to start reciting it (wtf!). Then the first officer came over with a beathalyzer. I was irritated at this point but had no problem doing it since we clearly had not been drinking. I guess my brother in laws friend couldn't handle everything bc he passed out right there on the spot and they had to take him away in an ambulance. After he got taken away they let us go, but I wasn't allowed to take my brother in law home. He had to call his mom who had to pick him up before I could leave. I've never been so pissed off in my life. I filed a complaint with the police department, but nothing ever came of it of course.

03-25-2011, 09:46 AM	#43
Godofelru Tri-State Addict Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pitman, NJ Member #14116 My Ride: Turbo 07 Spec V @ 11psi iTrader: (0)	I don't mind DUI stops at all. IN fact driving drunk is the worst thing someone can do... Seriously just don't... Be responsible. I went through a mobile inspection station today. They didn't say anything about my tint or not having a front license plate. I greeted the officer good morning by his title which was seargent(sp?) he asked where I was off to I explained and showed my work badge, he said have a great day and drive safely.

03-25-2011, 01:50 PM	#48
evomike Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Sep 2006 Member #2578 My Ride: 03 duramax and a 04 evo iTrader: (3)	I'll never understand how anyone gets caught for a DUI in a chekpoint, they are always in the same spot they tell you whenthey will be they are completely avoidable.

03-25-2011, 05:29 PM	#52
Beachcomber Tri-State Aficionado Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Coastal Delaware Member #17312 My Ride: 97-98 VR4's 02 Midnight Falcon Hayabusa iTrader: (0)	In Delaware they put them anywhere at anytime with no warning .. And they especially like the southern points of rte 1 coming out of Dewey Beach and Ocean City .. When you see the cones you will notice they are slightly different then the ones the state use for construction ..

03-25-2011, 06:04 PM	#53
Chris B. Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Lehigh Valley Member #14208 My Ride: is Sonic Blue iTrader: (0)	If they ban the apps, they will still be available to people with hacked, rooted, etc... phones. It won't do much to stop the use of the apps.

03-28-2011, 04:28 AM	#59
JankyS13 Tri-State Post Whore Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Member #15373 My Ride: 91.S13.KA-T iTrader: (1)	For personal reasons that I do not feel like openly discussing on a forum. I feel that anyone who thinks its ok to Drink and Drive should be shot in the face. Hell if it was legal to do so, I would be on top of this before any one had a chance of becoming a victim due to some asshats poor decision making skills. Now speaking about check points themselves, and the few I have gone through in my life time. I understand the reasoning and have no problems with said check points if they deal strictly w/ the reasoning of the stop. "to check if the driver is driving under the influence." Considering that I rarely drink except for special occasions "my birthday or death of a friend / family member" However, I make sure to have a DD. But when we go through those stops I can understand questioning the driver, I can understand possibly asking the passengers about their age and information that might pertain to it, such as an ID or verbal information. However I do have a problem w/ the stupid questions such as: have you been drinking tonight? UHM, Hi I'm the passenger. Where are you coming from, where are you going? Why are you going to drive us around so the DD can drink now? How much have you had to drink tonight? PASS-EN-GER! HI! waveshand And when officers have obtained information stating the the occupants all are of legal age and the driver is sober,please don't ask to search the vehicle. More so when the DD is operating the passengers vehicle. because you ass/u/me the djarum blacks that I "the passenger" might be smoking are covering up some narcotics, that are not there. Luckily I have not had those experiences up here and crossing fingers, hopefully I won't either. Since I only drink on rare occasions "my birthday or death of friends / family" I've found DUI check points good for they get the dumb **s off the road. How ever, being the drunken passenger very few times in my life and going through DUI checkpoints. I found the questioning directed towards myself being an invasion. Have you been drinking? I'm the passenger, does it matter? Where are you coming from, Where are you going? Why are you going to come hang out and be my DD for the night? How much have you had to drink? Again, pass-en-ger, HI! " waveshand** If there's going to be any question asked of the passenger it should be short simple to the point. first of age? its a simple thing, and information to prove just that, but nothing else.