g00fy's 05' FXT is Back

[g00fy]

Originally Posted by maxpowr

i put the covert oil pick up in my build from josh at import. the subbie pick up does fail. plus it was half the price of the killerB. looked good, fit perfect and 5k later has not failed.

i'm curious how you broached your engine failure with dave at rallispec and what his response was. its really not like not to stand behind his work. 3 failures out of 100 steet spec blocks sold isn't really a terrible ratio. sure zero is better, but some many different things can cause a failure. nothing personal to 1320, but i'd like to see evidence that this failure was caused by improper assembly. we are all human and mistakes "can" be made, but daves skill, experience and knowledge is up there with the best of the subaru mechanics out there today and its not his style at all to send something out that wasn't perfectly assembled. the blame game helps no one. broken motors dont help anyone either but maybe something can be learned from g00fys misfortune.

Honestly, I don't want to go any further then the information I got and relayed on the forums. I don't know enough about this stuff to make my own assumptions, so I'm not gonna push it, i posted what i was told, and since it was caught before a catastrophic failure like a seized rod I'm not too upset about it. I know motors are assembled at 8am on a Monday morning with a nasty hangover and 4pm on a Friday afternoon after a rough week, and judging by my luck i wouldn't be surprised if I got one of those... I just figured I'd post what was found in case anyone else out there has a similar problem.

[jesse096]

Looking good man! One question though, what exactly is 4eat?

-Jesse

[Subie_sleeper]

Originally Posted by jesse096

Looking good man! One question though, what exactly is 4eat?

-Jesse

4speed
Electronically controlled
Automatic
Transmission

[Ender81]

That would be the code for the auto trans

[jesse096]

Gotcha, but why a 4 speed? It must kill gas mileage on the highway... Have you thought about doing a 5 speed MT swap?

-Jesse

[g00fy]

Originally Posted by jesse096

Gotcha, but why a 4 speed? It must kill gas mileage on the highway... Have you thought about doing a 5 speed MT swap?

-Jesse

The car was originally bought as a commuter car, then I got bit by the mod bug and it's been all down hill from there... But i always liked raw power for straight line drag racing, and for straight line drag racing automatic is best. Unfortunately since the 4eat TCU sucks, i haven't been able to take full advantage of the 4eat, however when i get the stand alone TCU it'll be pretty sweet.

[jesse096]

Ah, gotcha. Doesn't Subaru make a 5 or 6 speed auto?

-Jesse

[maxpowr]

thats cool g00fy, i can respect that. truth be told though, dave really is a stand up guy and would never be caught staggering into work. anyone who knows him will agree. he is really dedicated to his business and reputation. thats is why i am surprised you couldn't work something out with him before going to 1320.

your right though, if your not upset and sueing dave then i guess its squashed.

also, a properly built 4eat is probally close to 10grand. awesome don't get me run, but a built 5/6 speed is half of that.

[RyanG]

Im going to post a reply as to the engine failure once. Just once so listen up.

The main cause of the failure was a machine shops neglegence as to glass beading a cylinder head and not cleaning every spec of glass out. That caused the cam journals and cams themselves to get chewed up beyond repair. As well as poorly cut valve seats which leaked every valve.

This material also made its was to the main bearings and wiped them out. Which also chewed up the crank.

As far as the rods go, the clearance on the bearings were very tight. And the worn spots on the bearings show this. The rod bearings "fell" out of the rod. Were they an acceptable clearance? Yes. Just. And if you are running 0w30 tbey would be just dandy. Combine that with main bearing clearance that is on the loose side of the scale you would have to run an odd oil combination. So something around a 5w40 synthetic just to make sure it holds up. BUT one good shot of knock and the rod bearings are toast.

The cylinder out of round is pretty normal. But when you are advertising "built to exact tolerences" i would expect a little better build. But i guess you have to shell out $6500 for that motor.

What it seems like is this block was built with standard size bearings and pistons and slapped together without measuring a damn thing. We build a ton of engines with standard size bearings and pistons but we measure everything prior to final assembly.

I will post pictures of bearing and cylinders tomorrow

[maxpowr]

i appreciate the civilized discussion.

[g00fy]

Originally Posted by AREA1320

Im going to post a reply as to the engine failure once. Just once so listen up.

The main cause of the failure was a machine shops neglegence as to glass beading a cylinder head and not cleaning every spec of glass out. That caused the cam journals and cams themselves to get chewed up beyond repair. As well as poorly cut valve seats which leaked every valve.

This material also made its was to the main bearings and wiped them out. Which also chewed up the crank.

As far as the rods go, the clearance on the bearings were very tight. And the worn spots on the bearings show this. The rod bearings "fell" out of the rod. Were they an acceptable clearance? Yes. Just. And if you are running 0w30 tbey would be just dandy. Combine that with main bearing clearance that is on the loose side of the scale you would have to run an odd oil combination. So something around a 5w40 synthetic just to make sure it holds up. BUT one good shot of knock and the rod bearings are toast.

The cylinder out of round is pretty normal. But when you are advertising "built to exact tolerences" i would expect a little better build. But i guess you have to shell out $6500 for that motor.

What it seems like is this block was built with standard size bearings and pistons and slapped together without measuring a damn thing. We build a ton of engines with standard size bearings and pistons but we measure everything prior to final assembly.

I will post pictures of bearing and cylinders tomorrow

Thank you for chiming in and clarifying everything, im lookin forward to those pics

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[g00fy]

I've decided I'm definitely going to do an oil pick-up... No sense sacrificing the safety of my entire $10,000 motor to save a couple bucks right now. I just want Ryans input on if i should go with the Covert or if it's worth the extra money for the Killer B pick-up.

Updated the Coming Soon Mod List!

[g00fy]

Oil Pick-up Ordered... Anyone else have any suggestions for other safety/preventative maintenance mods?

[g00fy]

Oil pick-up arrived, and i gotta say I was expecting something much bigger... I mean i know our oil pans are not very big, so the size makes sense, but i guess the pictures i was looking at made it look much bigger to me. I'm glad i went with the covert unit, cause if i spent $225 on the killer B one, I would've been pissed when i got it lol. I'm gonna head out to the shop Sunday to drop it off, hopefully I'll at least get to see my motor and/or heads.

[Ender81]

Lmao I went with the covert one and we sat it next to the Killer B and I was pretty happy with my choice.

[g00fy]

Originally Posted by Ender81

Lmao I went with the covert one and we sat it next to the Killer B and I was pretty happy with my choice.

Yea, definitely content with the covert oil pick-up, but i still think even $125 is a bit steep for a little tube, a flange, and a cheap bracket, but it'll be worth the peace of mind.

[Ender81]

I agree but yeah not many other options you know.

[Erik@R/TTuning]

Rough to hear of anyone getting run through the ringer like that once let along multiple times. Glad you are in good hands now with Ryan and Area1320.

[g00fy]

Originally Posted by Erik@R/TTuning

Rough to hear of anyone getting run through the ringer like that once let along multiple times. Glad you are in good hands now with Ryan and Area1320.

Yea it's been a bumpy road, i'm confident its gonna get sorted out now, it's just taking longer then i'd hoped.


Also I'm looking for a used UTEC off an STi. If anyone is selling one or knows somebody selling one please let me know.

[Ender81]

Classifieds on Nasioc should have a few of them