views on steroids

[rodder]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

There is a need for some govt regulation. Too much and you become like China, N. Korea, ectt... To little or none and you are Somalia. There is a spot in the middle that is just right but not matter what, no everyone will be happy with everything. Druggies will always want drugs and will argue til they are blue in the face they don't do harm... just like someone who gambles can't stop. It is a problem.

The simple fact that it is illegal as well as other drugs keeps me away and would make me want to distance myself from someon using.

I'm all for medical uses, just not recreational.

Our Constitution allows federal government regulation but is very strict on just what the federal government is allowed to regulate. The problem is that our federal government has twisted and reinterpreted words in the constitution to basically give them the authority to regulate and ban anything they please.

The 10th amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

If our elected leaders would simply abide by the law, as they swore a solemn oath to do, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

BTW, how does someone enjoying a recreational drug harm you or anyone else? Why do you feel the need to dictate how others live their lives?

[igo4bmx]

this thread is making me depressed that my body isn't super ripped.

BRB gassin' up lolz

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by rodder

Our Constitution allows federal government regulation but is very strict on just what the federal government is allowed to regulate. The problem is that our federal government has twisted and reinterpreted words in the constitution to basically give them the authority to regulate and ban anything they please.

The 10th amendment states: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

If our elected leaders would simply abide by the law, as they swore a solemn oath to do, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

BTW, how does someone enjoying a recreational drug harm you or anyone else? Why do you feel the need to dictate how others live their lives?

I'm not here to argue that there are grey areas in the law. They are very complex and I'm no lawyer or anything like that. So it is OK for the govt to regulate some things but when you don't agree all of a sudden it is down with the govt regulation? Your being a hypocrite.

[rodder]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

So it is OK for the govt to regulate some things but when you don't agree all of a sudden it is down with the govt regulation? Your being a hypocrite.

No, that's not what I said at all.

The government is allowed to regulate exactly what the law says it can regulate. No more, no less. I ask for nothing other than equal application of the law.

I'll quote it again:

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

If the federal government wants more regulatory power, there is an avenue to do so. They can add the power as an amendment to the constitution after 2/3 of the states have agreed to it, just as the law states.

[renn]

Originally Posted by rodder

do you have any idea wtf you're talking about??

Do you realize that your favorite professional athlete most likely either does or did use steroids at one point?

Steroids are not only used by body builders to bulk up, they're used by professional athletes across the board to increase strength and recover from injury more quickly.

I've never used roids and see no reason to, nor would I support someone using them, but your blanket statements about "all steroid users = insecure tools" only shows your ignorance on the subject.

my blanket statement wasn't aimed at athletes, i understand that many athletes use them for many different reasons. my post was only aimed at people who use them for non-medical use outside of sports...aka people who use them because they want the extra muscle mass without hard work.

[jpalamar]

I dunno man. To me, it just seems like your more worried about the govt trampling your rights then the actual pros/cons of the drug itself.

If the passed the amendment making it illegal would we be having this conversation?

[rodder]

Originally Posted by renn

aka people who use them because they want the extra muscle mass without hard work.

but that's where your ignorance of the topic shows... it takes hard work for people to gain muscle, steroids or not.

You can't just inject some steroids and sit down on the couch with a bag of cheetos and expect to gain any muscle.

[igo4bmx]

Originally Posted by rodder

but that's where your ignorance of the topic shows... it takes hard work for people to gain muscle, steroids or not.

You can't just inject some steroids and sit down on the couch with a bag of cheetos and expect to gain any muscle.

renn obviously is a very bright guy

ok renn-
i'm been working out for 11 YEARS without stopping. most i stop is a week at a time (and I could count the number of week breaks on ONE hand)
I've reach plateau's in everything I do at the gym - the only thing that is happening is my lower back and both shoulders are falling apart. My lifts won't go up- i've tried various programs, bulking cycles and other things to try to bump them up.

Do you know how many times I think about juicing to help with it all? I've heard success stories of people with herniated or bulging discs who can't walk for a long time, immediately start getting PR deadlifts and squats. my friend who was benching 315, then got injured and couldn't bench 135 without crying like a little b*tch, get back to 275-295 on the bench after a cycle and happy as can be about the pain free lifts.

AM I a tool cuz I want to feel good again? Maybe you're right since all I want to do it make up for my small pecker and bang chicks (especially since I'm married) lulz

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by igo4bmx

renn obviously is a very bright guy

ok renn-
i'm been working out for 11 YEARS without stopping. most i stop is a week at a time (and I could count the number of week breaks on ONE hand)
I've reach plateau's in everything I do at the gym - the only thing that is happening is my lower back and both shoulders are falling apart. My lifts won't go up- i've tried various programs, bulking cycles and other things to try to bump them up.

Do you know how many times I think about juicing to help with it all? I've heard success stories of people with herniated or bulging discs who can't walk for a long time, immediately start getting PR deadlifts and squats. my friend who was benching 315, then got injured and couldn't bench 135 without crying like a little b*tch, get back to 275-295 on the bench after a cycle and happy as can be about the pain free lifts.

AM I a tool cuz I want to feel good again? Maybe you're right since all I want to do it make up for my small pecker and bang chicks (especially since I'm married) lulz

Your not a tool to want to feel good again if it is medically necessary. Your a tool if your body can't physically get bigger or stronger and you are going to risk your heath to do it.

[rodder]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

I dunno man. To me, it just seems like your more worried about the govt trampling your rights then the actual pros/cons of the drug itself.

That is EXACTLY right. Our federal government's duty is not to be a baby sitter to a stupid and irresponsible populace. This country was founded on personal freedom, which also requires personal responsibility. If you can't control yourself enough to use drugs responsibly, it's not the duty of our government to "save us from ourselves" by banning any and every potentially harmful substance. If you feel you need the government to help make personal decisions for you, well then I just don't really know what to say.

Originally Posted by jpalamar

If the passed the amendment making it illegal would we be having this conversation?

Possibly, because a constitutional amendment was passed once prohibiting the sale and consumption of alcohol. We all know how that worked out to be not only an abysmal failure, but can also be credited with the rise of the mafia and organized crime. Of course it didn't take long for both the feds and the states to realize that banning a substance that people want only creates more problems and another amendment was added repealing the prohibition on alcohol.

So adding an amendment to the constitution that banned steroids could and most likely would still be debated if it passed. (I don't think a law like that will pass any time soon, with the disaster that was prohibition still fresh in our history.) Most people in politics understand you can't get people to stop doing something by outlawing it.

[igo4bmx]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

Your not a tool to want to feel good again if it is medically necessary. Your a tool if your body can't physically get bigger or stronger and you are going to risk your heath to do it.

[renn]

Originally Posted by rodder

but that's where your ignorance of the topic shows... it takes hard work for people to gain muscle, steroids or not.

You can't just inject some steroids and sit down on the couch with a bag of cheetos and expect to gain any muscle.

LOL, i am pretty familiar with how steroids work. i lift 2-3 times a week and know a few kids from my gym that juice. not an expert by any means but definitely not ignorant.

Originally Posted by igo4bmx

renn obviously is a very bright guy

ok renn-
i'm been working out for 11 YEARS without stopping. most i stop is a week at a time (and I could count the number of week breaks on ONE hand)
I've reach plateau's in everything I do at the gym - the only thing that is happening is my lower back and both shoulders are falling apart. My lifts won't go up- i've tried various programs, bulking cycles and other things to try to bump them up.

Do you know how many times I think about juicing to help with it all? I've heard success stories of people with herniated or bulging discs who can't walk for a long time, immediately start getting PR deadlifts and squats. my friend who was benching 315, then got injured and couldn't bench 135 without crying like a little b*tch, get back to 275-295 on the bench after a cycle and happy as can be about the pain free lifts.

AM I a tool cuz I want to feel good again? Maybe you're right since all I want to do it make up for my small pecker and bang chicks (especially since I'm married) lulz

so now you say it's a medical issue? in your OP you said you wanted to do them to "put me in a whole other league."

read your OP ... doesn't make it seem like a medical issue to me.

i don't care either way if you use steroids, but using them to go past what your natural limits would be is stupid. that's all i'm gonna say.

Originally Posted by Sberk06

Myself personally, I would love to try them. I've been a hardcore gym guy for a few years now, and know it would just put me in a whole other league. I have all the respect in the world for "natural" bodybuilders, but not everyone wants to be that way.

[andru1313]

Don't usually post but this was an interesting read. I have alot of knowledge when it comes to the Juice. Last year I trained for a body building competition. If i didn't get injured I would have had stage time.. Anyway....

The use of Roids is something that should not be taking lightly. Age, Training, Diet, ect all play a huge roll in the decision. Also there are some pretty harsh side effects and long term effects.. You can up the red blood cells so it thickens the blood, Liver issues, Kidney issues, and stress on the heart to name a few..

I have learned over the years and I have been training in the gym for over 10 years.. If you decide to cycle make sure you know what you are doing.. your Diet really should be in check. You will really need to increase your calories that you take in to feed the sudden growth of muscle.. Also Growing at a rapid pace can really tax the joints since ligaments don't grown, its alot easier to injure yourself..

I can go on and on on in here.. I think that the deicsion should be left to the individual but I think you should be really educated and know what you are about to put into your body.. Its not just during a cycle that you have to work about . Post Cycle Therapy is super important to regain natural test production and get your hormones back into check..

Steroids are not a wonder drug.. You don't take them and then you wake up looking awesome.. Its a process..Sure you can bulk up 20plus pounds during a cycle but keepin that muscle on is another story if you don't know what you are doing.

If anyone wants to chat hit me up via PM.. I don't condone the use of Steroids but Like i said I have a lot of knowledge and I am pretty well embedded in the fitness community.

[Big_Jim]

Originally Posted by rodder

Possibly, because a constitutional amendment was passed once prohibiting the sale and consumption of alcohol. We all know how that worked out to be not only an abysmal failure, but can also be credited with the rise of the mafia and organized crime.

..........and nascar

[rodder]

Originally Posted by Big_Jim

..........and nascar

LOL

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[RSX Type-Slow]

Originally Posted by renn

so now you say it's a medical issue? in your OP you said you wanted to do them to "put me in a whole other league."

read your OP ... doesn't make it seem like a medical issue to me.

i don't care either way if you use steroids, but using them to go past what your natural limits would be is stupid. that's all i'm gonna say.

This is exactly what i'm talking about. Risking life and limb to exceed your bodies capabilities is both stupid and ignorant on the part of the user.

[420sx]

Stupid and ignorant, perhaps. But his decision and no one elses.

[99blazer]

Its kinda like modifying your car. Is there a need for it? No. Does everyone here enjoy it? Yes. Do other people understand why you do it? No.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by 99blazer

Its kinda like modifying your car. Is there a need for it? No. Does everyone here enjoy it? Yes. Do other people understand why you do it? No.

It really isn't the same.

[rodder]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

It really isn't the same.

Yes it is. They are both issues of personal choice that don't harm anyone but the user.

One could actually argue that modifying a car has the potential to be much MORE harmful to society as a whole than steroids. A steroid user's worst case scenario is his body falls apart and eventually kills him. A modified car enthusiast's worst case scenario is rigged and unsafe modifications that cause him to lose control of the vehicle and kill other motorists.

If keeping people "safe" is really your intended goal behind government intervention, you'd be a lot more effective at keeping people safe by campaigning for stricter traffic laws. Like requiring governors on all cars that limit their top speed to 45 mph and restricting car modifications to only non-power-adding mods done by certified professional installers. Lift kits make a vehicle more likely to roll over, so they should be outlawed as well.

and this is all because, according to you, people can't be trusted to make responsible, informed decisions on their own, so we must limit their choices to help keep them from hurting themselves.