Fords bringing back the 302

[natedogg713]

Originally Posted by SleeperGoat

Did you guys just argue over the V6 versions of both cars?

LMAO very true.
also no replacement for displacement is the truth. you guys sit here and argue about stock form when that means nothing in our world. you may say give them time, let them turbo, supercharge it but go give em all the time in the world. in theory the camaro will win if theyre both modded. although im partial to chevy ford has an amazing product. something that may be able to somewhat finally keep up with their import counterparts. but chevy stuck to the american heritage of big car,big engine, and fast in a straight line.

[Diablo2424]

That's sick that they're bringing it back! I'm not biased towards one or the other, so it's good to see competition in the market... now maybe we can see a good mix of cars out on the street, instead of everyone driving the same thing...

[JERRYM1997]

Originally Posted by natedogg713

LMAO very true.
also no replacement for displacement is the truth. you guys sit here and argue about stock form when that means nothing in our world. you may say give them time, let them turbo, supercharge it but go give em all the time in the world. in theory the camaro will win if theyre both modded. although im partial to chevy ford has an amazing product. something that may be able to somewhat finally keep up with their import counterparts. but chevy stuck to the american heritage of big car,big engine, and fast in a straight line.

Thank you Sir, My point exactly.

[Chris B.]

Originally Posted by SleeperGoat

Did you guys just argue over the V6 versions of both cars?

We need to know who's secretary is the fastest.

[JERRYM1997]

^ hahahaha

[NOPSTNS]

Im not biased toward any muscle car, i think they are all just nifty and swell. but.

the boss 302 has been racing in grand am this year and its a great lookin car. its also quite the winner too.

i applaud the laguna seca package. if i was into those types of cars, i would skip right passed chevy and dodge and buy the boss 302 L.S. hands down

[SleeperGoat]

Originally Posted by Chris B.

We need to know who's secretary is the fastest.

That's what I was thinking lol.

[Sublime1304]

Im sticking with Mopar and taking the challenger r/t or srt8 anyday over a mustang or camaro. Some painted carbon fiber body pieces to lose some weight and it's all good. Challenger looks so much nicer. But that's just my opinion

[Chris B.]

Originally Posted by dubcharger08

Im sticking with Mopar and taking the challenger r/t or srt8 anyday over a mustang or camaro. Some painted carbon fiber body pieces to lose some weight and it's all good. Challenger looks so much nicer. But that's just my opinion

The Challenger needs a lot more weight reduction than some painted carbon fiber body panels.

I think the Camaro and Challenger would be perfect if they were 9/10th the size they are now. They look like bloated caricatures now. Both of them are too big and too heavy. I think the Mustang GT 5.0 got too heavy too. The '05-'09 GT manual transmission models with no options were 3350 lbs. The 2011 GT with a manual transmission is close to 3600 lbs. with no options. The 2011 Camaro SS is close to 3900 lbs with no options and the 2011 Challenger R/T is about 4000 lbs. Both need to lose a few hundred pounds. It would help their handling and acceleration significantly. The Mustang is the only real Pony car. The Challenger and Camaro aren't light enough by modern standards to be pony cars. Both of them weigh about 400 lbs more than a V6 Camry or Accord. The curb weight of the Camaro and Challenger isn't much less than a 2006 Ford Crown Victoria to put it in persepctive.

I agree that the 2010-2011 Mustang is the least visually appealing of the three. If the Camaro SS was 9/10th the current size, about 3500-3600 lbs and had the same engine it has now, I'd love it. It would be my next car. However, both the Camaro and Challenger feel like you are trying to drive a pregnant rhinoceros when you try to push then in turns.

[Sublime1304]

I do have to say it feels like a boat to drive especially when cornering but it still feels like a solid car and well put together. Now I've never driven a mustang and camaro so I can't judge how they feel. I just love the challenger over the others but to each his own. That's just me

[RWDTurbo149]

kind of off topic but why is everyone not believing the Z28/ thinking the GT500 is going to be better?

If you were Chevy, and you were developing a car to compete against the GT500, wouldnt it make sense to make your car better than the Ford? i mean seriously if you think chevy is coming out with a Z28 that is slower than the gt500 your an idiot.

If you notice the car in the background for comparison testing, i'd say the Z28 has the GT500 covered...

[devildog214]

idk if this is a repost though, in the next year or two there were rumors about a new, lighter chasis for the camaro. Also rumors about going direct injection, with less cubes for an ls successor. The camaro needs to drop alot of weight, it weighs more than my car by 400-500 lbs and mines 30 years older, same size. Its all that fancy safety equipment and electronics i tell ya!

[R22B]

I love Fords more than I love anything else, but I think the design on the Camaro is horrible. As far as design I think its Mustang > Challenger > Camaro. For the Camaro its like they attempted to design the front and then after they half assed it they were like "Sorry, we're not even going to design a back end" and just stuck lights on the back.

The Challenger is pure sex because of how much it looks like the original. With that said, that thing weighs more than a bus. If they reduced the weight of it, it'd be an awesome car. The 2011+ Mustangs look awesome and they have the performance to back it up to. I could care less about 1/4 times. Whoopedoo a car is faster in a straight line by .2 seconds. Who cares?! I'd like to see lap times on Laguna Seca personally.

[jpalamar]

I like the exterior of the Mustang but absolutely hate the interior. I am not a big fan of the exterior of the Camaro but really liked the interior. I hate everything about the Challenger but will say they did make it look alot like the old one. Mustang owns stock for preformance but everyone knows the LS3 in the Camaro mods so easy and resonds amazingly. I don't know enough about the new 5.0 yet to judge modding.

[mckpat03]

Originally Posted by devildog214

idk if this is a repost though, in the next year or two there were rumors about a new, lighter chasis for the camaro. Also rumors about going direct injection, with less cubes for an ls successor. The camaro needs to drop alot of weight, it weighs more than my car by 400-500 lbs and mines 30 years older, same size. Its all that fancy safety equipment and electronics i tell ya!

We will see DI very soon. Ford is most certainly planning on it as well. There is a picture of a cutaway 5.0 block floating around, and you can plainly see where the DI will be located.

Originally Posted by jpalamar

I like the exterior of the Mustang but absolutely hate the interior. I am not a big fan of the exterior of the Camaro but really liked the interior. I hate everything about the Challenger but will say they did make it look alot like the old one. Mustang owns stock for preformance but everyone knows the LS3 in the Camaro mods so easy and resonds amazingly. I don't know enough about the new 5.0 yet to judge modding.

I don't feel like digging any threads up, but its responding incredibly well. They're picking up HUGE gains. The new 5.0 is loving the mods thus far.

[jdk81]

If the camaro ever comes on a new platform it would probably not be until around 2014 from what I understand. Plan on seeing the Z28 available next summer as a 2012 model. Most test mules are running the LSA motor from the new CTS-V and I would expect to see this setup rather than the LS7. The car is pretty heavy but handles suprisingly well once dropped. So far with basic bolt ons (headers, exhaust, intake, tune) I am very impressed with the LS3 performance. The worst downfall of the car has to be the gearing as it comes rediculously high from the factory. I plan on doing 4.10's and some sort of boost next spring and hoping for pretty good results. I'm really a fan of the new mustang as well and the challenger looks sick. It's nice to have some options out there if your into muscle.

[Sublime1304]

Originally Posted by jdk81

I'm really a fan of the new mustang as well and the challenger looks sick. It's nice to have some options out there if your into muscle.

I know this is gonna turn into an argument sooner or later but I'm gonna say it and not because I have one but the charger r/t and srt8 are still nice too if you're into muscle. Of course it's better for someone who still wants a powerful car but still would like the extra room of a sedan. It looks good in it's own way and you can bash it all you want because it has 4 doors but it doesn't mean it can't haul ass on the highway or drag strip. And yes mine is a V6 but who cares. It still gets up and goes when I want it to and it's good for now. Obviously you can't put a charger in the mustang, camaro, or challenger class so it's in it's own class. I like the current body style but Im not sure on the 2011. I gotta see it in person. Oh sorry for changing the topic btw lol

[jdk81]

Originally Posted by dubcharger08

I know this is gonna turn into an argument sooner or later but I'm gonna say it and not because I have one but the charger r/t and srt8 are still nice too if you're into muscle. Of course it's better for someone who still wants a powerful car but still would like the extra room of a sedan. It looks good in it's own way and you can bash it all you want because it has 4 doors but it doesn't mean it can't haul ass on the highway or drag strip. And yes mine is a V6 but who cares. It still gets up and goes when I want it to and it's good for now. Obviously you can't put a charger in the mustang, camaro, or challenger class so it's in it's own class. I like the current body style but Im not sure on the 2011. I gotta see it in person. Oh sorry for changing the topic btw lol

My bad, definitely didn't mean to leave the chargers out of the picture. I love the way they look as well and having 4 doors is always a plus. Looks like your dub edition is pretty sick as well.

[Sublime1304]

Originally Posted by jdk81

My bad, definitely didn't mean to leave the chargers out of the picture. I love the way they look as well and having 4 doors is always a plus. Looks like your dub edition is pretty sick as well.

Thanks man. It's the grown man family car too. Nothing wrong with some extra leg room and cargo space while pushing a powerful hemi V8

[Chris B.]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

I don't know enough about the new 5.0 yet to judge modding.

30-40 HP gain at the wheels just from an intake and the tune for the 2011 5.0 GT's. The tune is required to recalibrate the MAF sensor for the larger intake tubing. Both the Steeda and JLT intakes had similar gains in independent testing.

You can go down to your local Ford dealer and get a 624 HP supercharger kit for the 5.0 with tuning included. If you want to keep your drivetrain warranty, you are limited to 550 HP.

The aftermarket for the 5.0 GT motors is just starting to pick up. It shares msot of its suspension with the 2005-2009 models, so there is a alrge selection of performance parts there already.