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[Proven]

Good debate guys, hopefully no one has hard feelings! Things are seriously running in circles now so I'm done..

ILLJIM69, BASTID, Outlazprez you guys kept it clean for the most part, I respect that. Also, I apologize if I got nasty in any sense.

Hopefully the healthcare system takes a turn for the better! And hopefully no one tries to stop it for the wrong reasons. Lets all hope for change hehe! (messing)

[ILLJIM69]

I always enjoy a good debate. And don't worry about hard feelings, at least not on my part, don't forget, I am just a mindless drone killing robot, we aren't programmed with feelings.

[polarexpress17]

I signed it, but i don't think its going to make any difference with this government.....

[poolmike]

There will be some protests outside of Patrick Murphy's office in Bristol and Doylestown tomorrow if anyone is interested in going.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by poolmike

There will be some protests outside of Patrick Murphy's office in Bristol and Doylestown tomorrow if anyone is interested in going.

Dude, that guy is a real jackass. Once I saw that he wanted to repeal the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy in the military, I didn't like him. I find it funny that it's always the people who aren't ACTIVELY serving who want to do away with that policy.

Anyways, fcuk him.

/random

[4DR_DB7]

Originally Posted by poolmike

There will be some protests outside of Patrick Murphy's office in Bristol and Doylestown tomorrow if anyone is interested in going.

http://www.kentucky.com/947/image_media/901988.html

[TrboChicsRock]

What Vegas Can Teach Congress

“Word of mouth” about generous payouts often determines the success of a gambling casino, according to Las Vegas journalist Jeff Burbank, author of License to Steal. “Customers are going to go where there are better payouts.” In the Old West, if one town’s gambling saloons were flat stores, the customer went on to the next town looking for a game on the square. In the current state of the health-care industry, there is no next town, no competition. The entire game is rigged in favor of the “house.” It is hardly a surprise, then, that the health cartel is spending more than $1.5 million a day to kill a government-run public option that would directly compete with the private sector. “They don’t want any more competition period,” Potter told Moyers. “They certainly don’t want it from a government plan that might be operating more efficiently than they are.”

I'm sure that 1.5 mil a day could really be helping thousands and thousands of sick people who are currently fighting denied health insurance claims.

People are complaining about their money going towards helping those that don't deserve it. Well, how do you feel about it currently going towards rich lawyers and lobbyists??

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by TrboChicsRock

What Vegas Can Teach Congress



I'm sure that 1.5 mil a day could really be helping thousands and thousands of sick people who are currently fighting denied health insurance claims.

People are complaining about their money going towards helping those that don't deserve it. Well, how do you feel about it currently going towards rich lawyers and lobbyists??

And I am sure there are other ways to pay for this that don't include more taxes. How about we cut the pay rates for politicians, a little bit, nothing drastic. I bet if they did that across the country, there would be enough money. Besides, politicians should be doing what they do not for the pay, benefits and power, but rather because they have a strong will to want to help the country and serve the people........this would be a good start and it would send a strong message that they care enough to take a small pay cut.

/thinking out loud

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

http://www.kentucky.com/947/image_media/901988.html

Yeah, because liberals never protest, shout and act weird.

[bastid]

Originally Posted by TrboChicsRock

What Vegas Can Teach Congress



I'm sure that 1.5 mil a day could really be helping thousands and thousands of sick people who are currently fighting denied health insurance claims.

People are complaining about their money going towards helping those that don't deserve it. Well, how do you feel about it currently going towards rich lawyers and lobbyists??

$1.5M is a good start, but it only represents 0.0238% of spending on healthcare (annualized).

A bigger bang item would be eliminating rules preventing insurance companies from spreading across state lines. This would increase competition in the private sector by allowing smaller insurances to grow without redundant overhead. It would also bring overhead costs down on large nationwide insurers who pay duplicate administrative (x50). This alone would free up $350B annually or more than $1 out of every $7 spent on healthcare.

The smart insurers would lower their premiums and still be able to maintain their growth and profit margins while the ones who stayed firm at a higher price would quickly lose their enrollment base in favor of the more competitive insurance company.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by bastid

$1.5M is a good start, but it only represents 0.0238% of spending on healthcare (annualized).

A bigger bang item would be eliminating rules preventing insurance companies from spreading across state lines. This would increase competition in the private sector by allowing smaller insurances to grow without redundant overhead. It would also bring overhead costs down on large nationwide insurers who pay duplicate administrative (x50). This alone would free up $350B annually or more than $1 out of every $7 spent on healthcare.

The smart insurers would lower their premiums and still be able to maintain their growth and profit margins while the ones who stayed firm at a higher price would quickly lose their enrollment base in favor of the more competitive insurance company.

Don't forget some form of regulation concerning the number of malpractice suits. People need to go into any medical procedure with the understanding that nothing is 100% guaranteed and unless there is some form of gross negligence (docs leaving tools in your body, cutting off your leg instead of removing your tonsils, etc), you have no right to sue. If doctors and hospitals didn't have to carry malpractice insurance that ventures into the millions of dollars, costs will go down.

[4DR_DB7]

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

Yeah, because liberals never protest, shout and act weird.

haha, that went way over your head. The point of it is, its ironic, because the psycho's whom we should be afraid of are all the radical right-wing gun collectors.... definitely some kind of mental defect that causes you to become obsessed with guns, violence and killing. I don't worry about drug dealers and terrorists, I worry about war veterans, NRA nutjobs and ex-cops who are out driving around on the highway with trigger-fingers just looking to get into an altercation with someone so they can pull their gun out....

[CleanNeon98]

Originally Posted by Proven

This is why the gov. mandates car insurance. So you don’t have to go out there and risk your life for a possession.

If it was to protect yourself or family your allowed to go balls out on um.

Car insurance has nothing to do with this, it will be covered under homeowners, but speaking of government, they also say that in situations like these I can't protect myself and my property. Some "free" america we live in, well I guess it is free since minors are allowed to loot cars and get away unpunished, THEY are free.

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

Proven - don't waste your time on these guys. They are closed-minded radical right wingers, like Rush Limbaugh. You know there is no reasoning with them. They don't even know why they hold the beliefs that they do... so how could you possibly convince them otherwise. Its not like they see things objectively so that you could actually influence their opinions with logic. :D

This thread is just an outlet for all the whiny cry-babies who are still butt-sore about losing the election. Period. The end.

Obama was voted in mainly by uneducated, bandwagon hopping, racially biased morons who bought into his socialist ideals.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

haha, that went way over your head. The point of it is, its ironic, because the psycho's whom we should be afraid of are all the radical right-wing gun collectors.... definitely some kind of mental defect that causes you to become obsessed with guns, violence and killing. I don't worry about drug dealers and terrorists, I worry about war veterans, NRA nutjobs and ex-cops who are out driving around on the highway with trigger-fingers just looking to get into an altercation with someone so they can pull their gun out....

And I am the one who has lost touch with reality?

[CleanNeon98]

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

haha, that went way over your head. The point of it is, its ironic, because the psycho's whom we should be afraid of are all the radical right-wing gun collectors.... definitely some kind of mental defect that causes you to become obsessed with guns, violence and killing. I don't worry about drug dealers and terrorists, I worry about war veterans, NRA nutjobs and ex-cops who are out driving around on the highway with trigger-fingers just looking to get into an altercation with someone so they can pull their gun out....

Then you have bigger problems than gun nuts, who IMO are only doing what the government wont, killing the scum and filth in this country one by one.

I'm sure drug dealers won't be a worry for you when they are selling drugs around your kid's school, but hey, that former cop with a desert eagle who wants to take the law into his own hands and make the neighborhood a better place, arrest him, god forbid progress is made for the better! Let the dealer keep selling around the school, good plan! Did Obama fax it to you?

[FocusDude]

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

I already had to drop my coverage through my employer (a small business) because it was WAY too expensive and I wasn't bringing home enough money at the end of the week. I had to search around for a cheaper private policy as an alternative... and its still too much. Why do you just assume that everyone should have to pay for healthcare?? Because thats what you were told.

Instead of buying that CF hood get your ass some health insurance. WTF are our priorities?

[3rdGenMr2Girl]

^ didn't you know, carbon fiber > health insurance.

[4DR_DB7]

Originally Posted by 3rdGenMr2Girl

^ didn't you know, carbon fiber > health insurance.

I have health insurance, thanks. Its gone up 90% from the time I graduated college till now. I don't mind paying health insurnace, its just way too expensive....especially considering I never use it, since I'm a healthy 28 year old male. However, if my daughter ever got sick, I would need to have it. Alas, Maybe if I lived with my mommy and daddy (and wasn't a home-owner, contributing hundreds/thousands in property taxes every year) I would have more money to mod-out my car with turbos and stuff.

If I was the only person in this country that I cared about, it wouldn't be as big an issue. I'm not a self-centered ego-maniac though, like some people who will remain nameless.. however, I did grow up near the Main Line, so I'm quite familar with the "i'm up on a pedestal above you, I worked hard to get here, so you obviously don't work hard enough and thus I don't care about you"-fallacy. You do understand that if our country were made up entirely of people like you, it would go to hell in a handbasket? I'm pretty sure Obama cares about more than just himself and his family and friends (unlike McCain), which is why he is the President, and you are a nobody.

3rdGen - what are you 20? :D you have NO CLUE about the real world honey. Come back to this thread when you are actually independent and not being supported by your well-to-do family in ritzy west chester.

[FocusDude]

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

Alas, Maybe if I lived with my mommy and daddy (and wasn't a home-owner, wasting hundreds/thousands in property taxes every year)

Fixed that, Just because you pay taxes does not mean you are contributing to anything. Like I stated before (in another thread) if you would pay attention to your own state, and knew how your taxes were squandered on silly pet projects you would be as irate as those in west chester.
Oh but it's Bush's fault NJ is in the condition it's in? It wouldn't be the fact you morons have been voting in the same Dems year after year after year.

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

3rdGen - what are you 20? :D you have NO CLUE about the real world honey. Come back to this thread when you are actually independent and not being supported by your well-to-do family in ritzy west chester.

OMG, how dare her parents make a good living for themselves in order to provide better for their children. This sir is close-mindedness.
I hope in 15 years someone looks at your child with the same respect. Or lack there of-

And remember its her family that is probably paying more in taxes in one year then you will in your life. Why because they are successful? Way to promote bettering yourself.

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by 4DR_DB7

I have health insurance, thanks. Its gone up 90% from the time I graduated college till now. I don't mind paying health insurnace, its just way too expensive....especially considering I never use it, since I'm a healthy 28 year old male. However, if my daughter ever got sick, I would need to have it. Alas, Maybe if I lived with my mommy and daddy (and wasn't a home-owner, contributing hundreds/thousands in property taxes every year) I would have more money to mod-out my car with turbos and stuff.

If I was the only person in this country that I cared about, it wouldn't be as big an issue. I'm not a self-centered ego-maniac though, like some people who will remain nameless.. however, I did grow up near the Main Line, so I'm quite familar with the "i'm up on a pedestal above you, I worked hard to get here, so you obviously don't work hard enough and thus I don't care about you"-fallacy. You do understand that if our country were made up entirely of people like you, it would go to hell in a handbasket? I'm pretty sure Obama cares about more than just himself and his family and friends (unlike McCain), which is why he is the President, and you are a nobody.

3rdGen - what are you 20? :D you have NO CLUE about the real world honey. Come back to this thread when you are actually independent and not being supported by your well-to-do family in ritzy west chester.

So, what you are saying in the beginning there is you don't want to pay for something you don't use...you have been successfully brainwashed and living in fear that if you/your daughter gets sick, you will be screwed if you don't have insurance. Once again, I stand by not paying into insurance and saving the $$$. If the gov't option is so much better, why aren't all of the gov't employees being forced to use it as a trial before jamming it down my throat? So you are only paying thousands in taxes now? Just wait for the increases to come in.

I believe Ms. 3rdGen is employed and living on her own? I might be wrong, since I don't really know her.