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[drifty240]

Originally Posted by biz

decided i'm gonna pick up a S&W 1911PD instead of that para ordinance p14... shot one of my friend's the other day and it was love at first trigger pull.

I love my PARA, 15 rounds of 45 acp.. You can't beat the trigger on a good 1911...

[~Brian~]

Originally Posted by SvicksTc

Mtac mass produced? they are hand made to order and production time is 4-5 days..

Yes you can always swap the clips on the Crossbreed, but the King Tuk offers a cheaper solution without the hassle...

If the crossbreed is really any more comfortable than my King Tuk well then mutha ****ing hats off to them for making an unbelievable holster, the thing is...im just not seeing it being any more comfortable than the King Tuk.. In my expeirementing of different holsters, specifically with my G19, im just trying to save him a few bucks on a quality holster

Please re-read my post. Never once did I mention the King Tuk. I was comparing the MTac to the SuperTuck.

And yes, the MTac is somewhat mass produced. 4-5 days is much faster than 3 to 4 weeks. Even after considering the size of Crossbreed as compared to Comtac to account for some of the differences between production times, on average, Comtac is spending less hands on time with each holster as compared to Crossbreed. That is what I was referring to. No need to get defensive...

[drifty240]

Originally Posted by ~Brian~

Please re-read my post. Never once did I mention the King Tuk. I was comparing the MTac to the SuperTuck.

And yes, the MTac is somewhat mass produced. 4-5 days is much faster than 3 to 4 weeks. Even after considering the size of Crossbreed as compared to Comtac to account for some of the differences between production times, on average, Comtac is spending less hands on time with each holster as compared to Crossbreed. That is what I was referring to. No need to get defensive...

I have had both and I feel the Comp Tac is far better than the Crossbreed. it may just be that is more worn in. I am pretty sure both are mass produced to a point. The wait is moreover a justification of cost or just how the production cycle runs.

[SvicksTc]

Originally Posted by ~Brian~

Please re-read my post. Never once did I mention the King Tuk. I was comparing the MTac to the SuperTuck.

And yes, the MTac is somewhat mass produced. 4-5 days is much faster than 3 to 4 weeks. Even after considering the size of Crossbreed as compared to Comtac to account for some of the differences between production times, on average, Comtac is spending less hands on time with each holster as compared to Crossbreed. That is what I was referring to. No need to get defensive...

Not getting defensive, but i was referring to mass production of the comptac vs the crossbreed...I think they are produced relatively in the same fashion...yes maybe crossbreed spends more time on them individual, or maybe its the company giving their employees a 3-4 week leeway time to finish a holster?

Either way i was trying to help cleanNeon with this quest to conceal his G19 more comfortably...A task I had spent much time and money on experimenting with and with the 54 dollar price tag for the King TuK (even cheaper online) It sure out ways the 70,80,100 plus dollars of the crossbreed and mtac...

Holsters ive tried for my G19:
Desantis Cozy Partner
Desantish Stealth
Galco King Tuk
Comptac Mtac
Fobus Paddle Holster (OWB)

Originally Posted by drifty240

I have had both and I feel the Comp Tac is far better than the Crossbreed. it may just be that is more worn in. I am pretty sure both are mass produced to a point. The wait is moreover a justification of cost or just how the production cycle runs.

[HaveBlue83]

i got a $25 don hume IWB leather holster and that works for me. lol. i dont need a $90 comptac uber cool iwb tension **** thing. hahaha.

ive had it for over a year, its great and swaps to other pants in 2 sec.


also: JUST ORDERED my Centurion Arms C4 10" rail :D :D

[drifty240]

Originally Posted by HaveBlue83

i got a $25 don hume IWB leather holster and that works for me. lol. i dont need a $90 comptac uber cool iwb tension **** thing. hahaha.

ive had it for over a year, its great and swaps to other pants in 2 sec.


also: JUST ORDERED my Centurion Arms C4 10" rail :D :D

When it comes to something that I bet my life on cost is not the deciding factor more the fact it works for what I want it to do. I have a drawer full of holsters and for me the deciding factor for the Comp-tac is that you can reholster without looking with one hand and i can use it every day and at no time do i feel it.

p.s. I think Cabelas has the king tucks in stock you can go have a look at them. If i never had Comp-tac I might try it out but I was spoiled with getting my Comp-tac in a gun trade (thx Munky)

[CleanNeon98]

Just out of curiosity, how are the cheaper PARA 1911s? What's their starting range? I saw some online as low as 547 or so. And who sells them locally?

[SvicksTc]

Originally Posted by HaveBlue83

i got a $25 don hume IWB leather holster and that works for me. lol. i dont need a $90 comptac uber cool iwb tension **** thing. hahaha.

ive had it for over a year, its great and swaps to other pants in 2 sec.


also: JUST ORDERED my Centurion Arms C4 10" rail :D :D

Ill spend the 90 dollars on my uber cool holster because its quality and is comfortable and has adjustable rentention. Also I can holster my weapon one handed..

Also the draw from a kydex holster is much faster and consistent for me every time...

Ive had quite a few holsters as you can see for the G19, and I would never got back to some cheap 25 dollar holster, and I promise you if you would invest in a quality holster you will kick yourself in the butt for not investing sooner...

Originally Posted by drifty240

When it comes to something that I bet my life on cost is not the deciding factor more the fact it works for what I want it to do. I have a drawer full of holsters and for me the deciding factor for the Comp-tac is that you can reholster without looking with one hand and i can use it every day and at no time do i feel it.

p.s. I think Cabelas has the king tucks in stock you can go have a look at them. If i never had Comp-tac I might try it out but I was spoiled with getting my Comp-tac in a gun trade (thx Munky)

I picked mine up at Cablea's, Claytons also has them in stock (was just there a few weeks back)...

Like i said I have both Comptac Mtac and King Tuk for the G19 and it sits in the Tuk daily...

[HaveBlue83]

yeah i almost got an $80 one....

then i asked myself when i would EVER need to quickly reholster if i had to draw my weapon and use it. i think as long as i can draw quickly that is all i need. i researched a bunch and bought the don hume. and I'm happy with it. i can use it for open or CCW carry as well. KISS

[CleanNeon98]

I really dont get why one-hand reholstering is a big deal. I cant picture a situation where id need to reholster my gun with one hand. I still want to try a supertuck or king tuk though, for comfort reasons.

[drifty240]

Originally Posted by HaveBlue83

yeah i almost got an $80 one....

then i asked myself when i would EVER need to quickly reholster if i had to draw my weapon and use it. i think as long as i can draw quickly that is all i need. i researched a bunch and bought the don hume. and I'm happy with it. i can use it for open or CCW carry as well. KISS

In my overall self defense strategy my pistol is used just to get to my rifle. Once i get my rife, i would like to keep my pistol encase i have a rifle malfunction . Or just run out of rounds. Also you never know if you have to use your pistol in a self defense situation you may have to provide first aide or assist someone who is no longer ambulatory and need both hands but don't want to lay your pistol on the ground . You should take a pistol training class and you will see that a self defense incident can be more dynamic than a just a robbery or an individual just trying to do you harm. I will stop rambling..

[CleanNeon98]

In the house maybe, but when would you ever carry a rifle with you? Also for IWB concealed carry, youll likely need 2 hands anyway to lift your shirt back up to reholster.

[HaveBlue83]

Originally Posted by drifty240

In my overall self defense strategy my pistol is used just to get to my rifle. Once i get my rife, i would like to keep my pistol encase i have a rifle malfunction . Or just run out of rounds. Also you never know if you have to use your pistol in a self defense situation you may have to provide first aide or assist someone who is no longer ambulatory and need both hands but don't want to lay your pistol on the ground . You should take a pistol training class and you will see that a self defense incident can be more dynamic than a just a robbery or an individual just trying to do you harm. I will stop rambling..

i did the targetmaster course by Andy Troutman back in 2004. i understand what you are talking about. I learned a LOT before I enlisted from that class.

i use my holster for carrying. i dont expect to need anything more than 13rnds of .40S&W. if i DO, im ****ed anyways. It's for self defense, not offensive tactical ops.

I am not an ignorant gun owner. i know how to go through a situation tactically, apply deadly force, and return my weapon to its holster to do aid & litter. i dont need an $80 comptac for that lol. nor to i need 18 ar mags, 5 knives, 3 surefire lights and $250 boots on a deployment like these CAB-chasing reddie-rangers do.

Alex hit nail on head with his post. I'm just boisterous.

[drifty240]

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

In the house maybe, but when would you ever carry a rifle with you? Also for IWB concealed carry, youll likely need 2 hands anyway to lift your shirt back up to reholster.

When i say one hand i mean you can re-holster with out having to look and use both hands to get the gun in the holster. Unless your holster has a reinforced lip when carry iwb the holster collapses on itself and it would take two hands to get it back in the holster. I can lift my shirt and holster without looking 99% of the time. Can you do that with your leather IWB ?

[drifty240]

Originally Posted by HaveBlue83

I'm just boisterous.

Boisterous and naive .... You asked a question about a holster and people have chimed in to give you there feelings and theory. Take if for what you want but there is no need but hurt about things and reply with post full of b.s. Thinking out side the box , trying to be prepared and giving yourself the advantage does not make you some mall ninja.



p.s. I only carry a gun with 7 rds don't need 14 .. but i do carry an extra mag in case a malfunction or the magazine fails. Weakest point in a gun is the magazine...

[CleanNeon98]

Originally Posted by drifty240

When i say one hand i mean you can re-holster with out having to look and use both hands to get the gun in the holster. Unless your holster has a reinforced lip when carry iwb the holster collapses on itself and it would take two hands to get it back in the holster. I can lift my shirt and holster without looking 99% of the time. Can you do that with your leather IWB ?

I can one hand reholster my g19 into my non leather desantis stealth, but again, dont see an advantage to it. you need both hands to work either, at the end of a potenial firefight, i.cant imagine a few extra.seconds making a difference. Im not opposed to them, just was never a priority.

[Ridachu]

usually when i run outta bullets in my pistol i just throw it.... hoping it knocks out the bad guy

[SvicksTc]

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

I really dont get why one-hand reholstering is a big deal. I cant picture a situation where id need to reholster my gun with one hand. I still want to try a supertuck or king tuk though, for comfort reasons.

One hand holstering a big deal? Hmm.. I think you need to think of some tactical, dynamic situations or take a course like mentioned above, your whole outlook will change.. I would definitly like to keep my reaction hand readily available if the situation presents it self..

A quick jerk on my shirt upwards to holster my weapon without looking, while youre on the other end moving your shirt up making sure your muzzle is not getting caught up in the holster thats being more compressed without a gun keeping it full, you then have to look down and make sure the guns sliding in the opening thats there.

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

In the house maybe, but when would you ever carry a rifle with you? Also for IWB concealed carry, you'll likely need 2 hands anyway to lift your shirt back up to re holster.

Many people carry a rifle in their vehicle, as stated, the handgun is really a secondary weapon system to many and its to aid in getting back to the car for big fire power (obviously, not your everyday stroll down the road).

As for one hand re holstering without looking, etc..Is you want to keep your eyes in front of you looking for more Bad Guys... The moment you put your head down you're now a target..

Would you do a speed reload looking down or even a tactical reload, or would do you bring your pistol up into your work space in front of your face so you can keep your eyes down range, why would you not want the same convenience with a holster.

I would HIGHLY look into some classes or get some more training if you really plan on carrying effectively for a defensive situation..

I have done a few classes now and let me say **** gets DYNAMIC and if you don't have that mental preparation in the basic fundamentals of weapon manipulation, well you my friend are unprepared in a world of many prepared people...

and the end of a potential firefire your hand gets hit, the cops are on their way...do you want to be the guy holding a gun when the cops show up? Or do you throw it on the ground and wait for someone to potentially come up and get you with your own weapon? No you holster that ish one handed without looking

[DC2.2GSR]

Originally Posted by HaveBlue83

i did the targetmaster course by Andy Troutman back in 2004. i understand what you are talking about. I learned a LOT before I enlisted from that class.

i use my holster for carrying. i dont expect to need anything more than 13rnds of .40S&W. if i DO, im ****ed anyways. It's for self defense, not offensive tactical ops.

I am not an ignorant gun owner. i know how to go through a situation tactically, apply deadly force, and return my weapon to its holster to do aid & litter. i dont need an $80 comptac for that lol. nor to i need 18 ar mags, 5 knives, 3 surefire lights and $250 boots on a deployment like these CAB-chasing reddie-rangers do.

Alex hit nail on head with his post. I'm just boisterous.

Like drifty240 said, carrying an extra mag is NOT about having more rounds in a sustained firefight. It's all about malfunction clearing. What happens when you have a piece of lint, fuzz, fabric, etc. get stuck in your gun or you have another issue and you get a double feed on round #3, but you missed the first two shots (which is very likely) and you're still being attacked? Tap-rack all you want, you're not clearing it unless you RIP the mag out of the gun. With a dynamic situation (not static like at the range), and with the addition of a severe adrenaline dump, the most likely situation is that the mag will end up on the ground. You decided that 13 rounds was enough and/or that it was too much of a bother to carry a backup mag, so now you lost your firearm and you only have a chunk of metal to hit the bad guy with. You're now SOL because you're too cool to carry an extra mag.

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

I can one hand reholster my g19 into my non leather desantis stealth, but again, dont see an advantage to it. you need both hands to work either, at the end of a potenial firefight, i.cant imagine a few extra.seconds making a difference. Im not opposed to them, just was never a priority.

Having a holster that will not fold into a pancake after unholstering your gun is simply the best insurance against a ND into your own thigh/ass/nuts, etc. Two handed in a calm situation is easy, add a legitimate adrenaline dump and its possibly nearly incapacitating after effects into the equation and tell me you can still reholster one handed with a floppy holster. No piece of equipment is an end-all solution to any problem, but you can make equipment choices that give you better advantages.



About the holster cost thing - it truly amazes me that people will spend so much money on a gun, ammo, etc. but yet they'll cheap out on belts and holsters. Are you kidding me? You spent $400, 500, 600... sometimes even 1500 on a gun but you're going to bitch about $80 for a holster and go for one that saves you $50? Tell me that makes sense, please. I'm interested to hear the bassackwards reasoning.

My friend bought a $1000 Sig because he wanted a very high quality gun that would last a long time. I told him about used Sigs and pointed out a few around $600, but he said he wanted the best and wanted it to be brand new. Ok, no problem. He then told me no when I asked him if he wanted in on my Comp-Tac order because he saw one for $20 at a gun show and he'll just buy one like it next time. I point and laugh at his hypocrisy at just about every opportunity.

[HaveBlue83]

i guess we have a few people ready for some excessively large undertakings while going to get coffee in the morning....

if u need a rifle in the car and a pistol on you...maybe think about your mental state and as to why you are so paranoid. the second you whip out an AR from the trunk in a "self-defense" encounter.....oh, wait. its unloaded & ammo is stored seperately and the gun lock is on right guys? as per safe gun transporting. just blew that scenario to hell.

i never even asked about holsters! LOL. i said my $25 one is FINE for carry and self defense. then i get the "but if you have to reload/malfunctions/get to the rifle/extreme case" scenarios.

dynamic. the ability to not freeze up and adapt to a rapidly changing unknown scenario. got it.