Yup, It's True, Mark McGwire Used Steroids!

[mcperson2k]

Originally Posted by c0nfl1kt

You obviously know nothing about baseball and most likely never played it for years at a time to tell the different between swings and hitting styles. I have and I can tell you that the tiniest guy on a team can hit the ball as well and further than the biggest guy on a team as long as they know how to and where on the bat to hit it. You just can't get on "the juice" and start hitting home runs right away. It takes years and years of practice and studying pitchers and also patience to wait for the certain pitch.

I played baseball my entire life. In fact I played my freshman year of college... If you want me to dig up some rosters, and pictures, id be more than happy too.

So you say, it has nothing to do with strength, they are just great batters. So tell me why when someone is accused of steroids, they go from hitting 45+ home runs a season, to 17. Your trying to tell me that they just forgot how to swing? Besides pitchers, EVERYONE in MLB goes through extensive hitting practice. They all know how to hit a baseball. There isn't some secret technique, which is why 90% of the league has their own stances. Making good contact with a baseball requires practice and hand eye coordination. Hitting home runs requires nothing but brute strength. Derek Jeter is arguably one of the best batters in MLB today, but he isn't a home run hitter, so explain that? Your defending guys who out of nowhere average 50 home runs a season, for three seasons in a row. Than when the word steroid starts being tossed around, they drop down to less than 25 home runs a season and aren't playing ball 3 years later... Good batters are consistent, whether they are just getting on base, or hitting homers.

[05suby]

there is no proof griffey used steroids. so where you guys get this information is beyond me. and steroids doesnt make you see and hit the ball any better. yea it can make the average flyball go over but a lot of these guys can hit homeruns without it.

[mcperson2k]

Originally Posted by 05suby

there is no proof griffey used steroids. so where you guys get this information is beyond me. and steroids doesnt make you see and hit the ball any better. yea it can make the average flyball go over but a lot of these guys can hit homeruns without it.

Nobody is saying that these players aren't capable of hitting home runs. Its the fact that when a guy who abuses steroids goes up to bat, what should be typical fly outs, turns into home run after home run.

Like I said, besides pitchers everyone in the MLB knows how to hit a baseball. Steroids have absolutely nothing to do with eye contact. Its the simple fact that power = home runs and steroids = power.

Look at 'professional' woman's softball. 9/10 clean up hitters are fatties. Same goes with men, the majority of power hitters are big. Why? Because once again, power = home runs

ps. Heres a good article explaining why its very possible that KGJ took steroids. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1...-take-steroids

[05suby]

yea i read that joke of an article before. if he was on roids he wouldnt of been out so long with each injury since the players that have used them did it to help come back faster from injuries. yes there are some who did it just to get more power. he body just broke down from age and not really taking care of himself. its been said he barely worked out and rarely stretched like people said in the comments. he gave 100% every game when he was younger and his body paid for it. he laid out for everything, crashed into walls, etc. he had the fastest swing in baseball and always had power with his slender body. now he is getting fatter like most dudes do when they get older and its cause he doesnt work out. if his legs were still 100% he would still be hitting plenty of home runs. the power doesnt come from your upperbody for home runs. and being big doesnt mean you can hit for power. ive played against plenty of big kids that cant hit for power if their life depended on it. and your comment on jeter is ridiculous. jeter has brute strength. he just isnt a home run hitter, he is a gap hitter. im a pretty big guy and i dont hit for homeruns, im a gap hitter which in my opinion is more effective then trying to hit home runs every atbat.

[05suby]

Originally Posted by c0nfl1kt

You obviously know nothing about baseball and most likely never played it for years at a time to tell the different between swings and hitting styles. I have and I can tell you that the tiniest guy on a team can hit the ball as well and further than the biggest guy on a team as long as they know how to and where on the bat to hit it. You just can't get on "the juice" and start hitting home runs right away. It takes years and years of practice and studying pitchers and also patience to wait for the certain pitch.

and i agree with this whole comment.

[mcperson2k]

HAHA... Derek Jeter has brute strength... Are you kidding? Derek Jeter isn't a home run hitter, because he cant hit home runs. Id willingly bet 50 dollars that if you put Derek Jeter into a home run derby, he wouldn't hit a single one. He has been in the major leagues for 15 years, and he has like 220 home runs. Conflicts oh so great Mark McGwire with the fantastic swing hit close to that in 3 years time.

[05suby]

haha you must not know anything about baseball then. there have been homerun hitter in baseball who have been in the derby and put up goose eggs. the home run derby doesnt mean **** and could **** a batters swing up. its just a show lol. and he cant hit home run but yet has, what you say, 220 of them. i guess he cant, i guess 220 is a fake number and really means 0. yes he has brute strength. is you really think he doesnt you shouldnt talk about baseball lol. all because he doesnt hit a lot of home runs doesnt mean he doesnt have brute strength. he isnt a home run hitter, he is a gap hitter. he hits for doubles and singles, not to put the ball over the fence and possibly have 140+ k's a year.

[silver01lude]

Originally Posted by 05suby

yea i read that joke of an article before. if he was on roids he wouldnt of been out so long with each injury since the players that have used them did it to help come back faster from injuries. yes there are some who did it just to get more power. he body just broke down from age and not really taking care of himself. its been said he barely worked out and rarely stretched like people said in the comments. he gave 100% every game when he was younger and his body paid for it. he laid out for everything, crashed into walls, etc. he had the fastest swing in baseball and always had power with his slender body. now he is getting fatter like most dudes do when they get older and its cause he doesnt work out. if his legs were still 100% he would still be hitting plenty of home runs. the power doesnt come from your upperbody for home runs. and being big doesnt mean you can hit for power. ive played against plenty of big kids that cant hit for power if their life depended on it. and your comment on jeter is ridiculous. jeter has brute strength. he just isnt a home run hitter, he is a gap hitter. im a pretty big guy and i dont hit for homeruns, im a gap hitter which in my opinion is more effective then trying to hit home runs every atbat.

I was thinkin the exact same thing(griffey comments). And as the comments on that article state, this whole steroid thing is becoming a witch hunt, its undermining everything players like griffey did. Maybe he did, maybe he didnt, I certainly dont think he did. Its ashame its come down to this. And it wont end until Barry Bonds takes his head out of his ass and comes clean, even then itll prolly keep goin.

[mcperson2k]

Originally Posted by 05suby

haha you must not know anything about baseball then. there have been homerun hitter in baseball who have been in the derby and put up goose eggs. the home run derby doesnt mean **** and could **** a batters swing up. its just a show lol. and he cant hit home run but yet has, what you say, 220 of them. i guess he cant, i guess 220 is a fake number and really means 0. yes he has brute strength. is you really think he doesnt you shouldnt talk about baseball lol. all because he doesnt hit a lot of home runs doesnt mean he doesnt have brute strength. he isnt a home run hitter, he is a gap hitter. he hits for doubles and singles, not to put the ball over the fence and possibly have 140+ k's a year.

Yeah, after reading that. I totally agree, I wont talk baseball with a bunch of single minded idiots.

Mark McGwire hit that many home runs because hes good and it has nothing to do with steroids.

Derek Jeter hits with brute strength, but its to hit the ball between gaps, and not to hit home runs? Apparently the home runs he does hit, are accidental.

Nobody but a select few guys in MLB know how to bat, because they make millions due to their fielding abilities, teams could really care less about their batting abilities.

Its not possible for KGJ to have taken steroids, because he was considered one of the best athletes of the time, but his body diminished by age 30.

220 Home runs is a lot for a 15 year career...

And what else... Oh yeah, scrawny guys hit more home runs over guys with bigger builds... Cause I have met conflict before when I sold him an xbox, and he prob. weights 135lbs.

[sinner]

You guys are not even mentioning the fact that these guys are hitting against pitchers on the sauce too.

[ScoobyNubieToo!]

Originally Posted by Scapegoat

correct... steroids don't increase his ability to hit a ball.

but it does increase the distance at which the ball travels when he hits it.

i'm sure he could knock them out of the park on occasion w/o roid use... but with the steroids the amount he could do so jumped up

Well, keep in mind he hit 49 hit rookie year pre steroids!

[ScoobyNubieToo!]

Originally Posted by CHAOS

lol @ anyone being surprised by this.

Originally Posted by ricky2i5

i second that. never a doubt in my mind that he used steroids

Originally Posted by Renegade_

This was news circa 98.

You guys are missing the point....I never doubted he used them but until he actually admitted it, there was this little part of me that wanted to believe he didn't and now that is gone.

[05suby]

Originally Posted by silver01lude

I was thinkin the exact same thing(griffey comments). And as the comments on that article state, this whole steroid thing is becoming a witch hunt, its undermining everything players like griffey did. Maybe he did, maybe he didnt, I certainly dont think he did. Its ashame its come down to this. And it wont end until Barry Bonds takes his head out of his ass and comes clean, even then itll prolly keep goin.

yea it wont ever stop. there will always be a witch hunt.

Originally Posted by mcperson2k

Yeah, after reading that. I totally agree, I wont talk baseball with a bunch of single minded idiots.

Mark McGwire hit that many home runs because hes good and it has nothing to do with steroids.

Derek Jeter hits with brute strength, but its to hit the ball between gaps, and not to hit home runs? Apparently the home runs he does hit, are accidental.

Nobody but a select few guys in MLB know how to bat, because they make millions due to their fielding abilities, teams could really care less about their batting abilities.

Its not possible for KGJ to have taken steroids, because he was considered one of the best athletes of the time, but his body diminished by age 30.

220 Home runs is a lot for a 15 year career...

And what else... Oh yeah, scrawny guys hit more home runs over guys with bigger builds... Cause I have met conflict before when I sold him an xbox, and he prob. weights 135lbs.

mcgwire was able to hit homeruns before he used steroids. he can hit end of story. yea they might of added to more but it happened, doesnt mean steroids made him good.

never said jeter hits with brute strength, i said he has brute strength. which you say he doesnt. jeter is a gap hitter and when he does hit homeruns he hits his majority to the opposite field and yes that requires strength.

there are plenty of big guys who played as long as jeter who have less homeruns then jeter. size doesnt mean ****. bat speed is everything, not the size of the guy.

let me put it this way to you, if guy one weighed 140 and had a bat speed of 100mph and guy two weighed 235 and had a bat speed of 89-90mph who could hit homeruns more?

[05suby]

Originally Posted by mcperson2k

Yeah, after reading that. I totally agree, I wont talk baseball with a bunch of single minded idiots.

Mark McGwire hit that many home runs because hes good and it has nothing to do with steroids.

Derek Jeter hits with brute strength, but its to hit the ball between gaps, and not to hit home runs? Apparently the home runs he does hit, are accidental.

Nobody but a select few guys in MLB know how to bat, because they make millions due to their fielding abilities, teams could really care less about their batting abilities.

Its not possible for KGJ to have taken steroids, because he was considered one of the best athletes of the time, but his body diminished by age 30.

220 Home runs is a lot for a 15 year career...

And what else... Oh yeah, scrawny guys hit more home runs over guys with bigger builds... Cause I have met conflict before when I sold him an xbox, and he prob. weights 135lbs.

that comment right there, if you truly believe this you have your head so far up your ass its not even funny. you should prob just stop talking about baseball. wow i cant believe no one else commented on this statement yet.

[ScoobyNubieToo!]

Well my next question is this: NOw that McGwire has come clean, does this clear the way for him to get into Cooperstown?

[mcperson2k]

Originally Posted by 05suby

that comment right there, if you truly believe this you have your head so far up your ass its not even funny. you should prob just stop talking about baseball. wow i cant believe no one else commented on this statement yet.

Sarcasm on the internet FTW

Lets put it this way, you show me some scrawny guys who hit massive amounts of home runs, and I will counter each person with 3 bigger guys.

[05suby]

Carl Yastrzemski - 182 lbs
Stan Musial - 175
Hank Aaron - 180
Willie Mays - 180
Billy Williams - 175
Ernie Banks - 180
Mel Ott - 170

thats the ones with over 400 hrs

now bigger guys who have less then them:

Frank Howard - 255
Albert Belle - 210
Larry Walker - 215
Andres Galarraga - 235
Dale Murphy - 215
Greg Luzinski - 225
Cecil Fielder - 240
Mo Vaughn - 230

i could go on but my point is all because your big doesnt mean you will hit for power.

[mcperson2k]

Originally Posted by 05suby

Carl Yastrzemski - 182 lbs
Stan Musial - 175
Hank Aaron - 180
Willie Mays - 180
Billy Williams - 175
Ernie Banks - 180
Mel Ott - 170

thats the ones with over 400 hrs

now bigger guys who have less then them:

Frank Howard - 255
Albert Belle - 210
Larry Walker - 215
Andres Galarraga - 235
Dale Murphy - 215
Greg Luzinski - 225
Cecil Fielder - 240
Mo Vaughn - 230http://www.tristatetuners.com/forum/newreply.php?do=newreply&p=1617249

i could go on but my point is all because your big doesnt mean you will hit for power.

Haha... Just looked up the statistics so I could compare some of these, and your comparing guys who have 100 more home runs than the other, but have played 10 years longer. Also, if you wanna debate this lets focus on one time period.

I never ever said skinny guys cant hit home runs, I said that they cant hit them as frequent or as easy as big guys. Its common sense that the more strength you have, the easier it is to hit home runs. Which is the reason steroids are the topic of the argument. Steroids aren't frowned upon due to their ability to help heal. If steroids weren't a reason for guys hitting home runs, why would they be illegal?

[D Money]

Originally Posted by igo4bmx

you also gotta realize they weren't the only 3 on juice. so what about the 100 other players on it who couldn't slam homeruns? like mentioned above, steroids helps with explosiveness and recovery, but doesn't help you with your hand and eye coordination!

Can't agree more! Ok so he was on the sauce, big deal! Most of that would be show anyway depending on what he took. You're really only ungodly strong when you're on cycle. When you come off, your strength drops significantly. Granted he will still have the size as he most likely took a water based steriod...

For instance. There can be a big saucer in the gym who looks alot bigger/leaner then me, but at the same time, I can put up more weight then him. Basically, who is to say that McGuire didn't just have some hypertrophy going on? hahaha

[igo4bmx]

I hear in the '10 season there's gonna be a dollar sauce night.