America Needs A Leader That Will Say This!

[240sxDann]

Look the bottom line, IN MY OPINION, is that I don't think we should have to change things that have been the same way for so long now. And part of our heritage and tradition as AMERICANS. I could honestly give a flying **** about oh your an immigrant too cuz your grandparents BLAH BLAH BLAH. Bull****. I was born in America, I am a god damn American, not an immigrant. If you were born here, YOU are an American. Plain and simple. My gripe is that we have done things the same way (as far as again tradition and what not) since our founding fathers came here and kicked the indians out. So you know what, if you have that much of a problem with the way things are, either GTFO, or force every american out like we did to the indians. I just don't care. I'm sick of immigrants being all protected by political correctness and all that crap. If you want to practice your religion, your faith, your heritage, FINE! I am completely OK with that. I'm ok with immigrants all together for the most part. AS LONG AS A) you are a LEGAL immigrant and B)You don't come here trying to change our culture. You don't see Americans going to Mexico bitching and whining about them showing their countries flag or singing their national anthem or WHATEVER. So why should we change to suit anybody else? It's horse **** and I stand by my statement.

p.s. call me a bigot and a racist, I don't care. Go **** yourself.

The point I'm trying to make is why should America change for some immigrants who don't like our culture? You don't like it, get out.

p.s.s. I am not religious at all. I believe in a higher power, but nothing beyond that. I don't believe in "THE GOD". My opinions are based purely on heritage and tradition.

[importpower99]

Didn't you post this before, and it was shot down?
It's dumb, it doesn't say anything in the bill of rights that being an american means you have to be christian. The country was built on freedom of religion, and now because fewer and fewer people are going to church, you want to change it to something that benifits you? GFTU!
I'm american and I don't beleive in god!

And basically the clown that wrote that, obviously neglected to read the constitution.

[sinner]

Originally Posted by Subie_sleeper

Here goes another right wingnut going on about "OUR" god as Americans.
Sooooo sick of this.
I am a proud American.
I HATE it when people who have obviously lived here for a long time don't ever bother to learn to speak english. Just plain lazy IMHO
Discriminating because a person is not bi-lingual = BULLISHT
! like the late George Carlins idea of rounding up illegals and drafting them to serve in our military to EARN citizenship. (I know it's not feasable, but if it happened they wouldn't be in such a rush to get here)
Amnesty should NEVER be allowed to happen.
BUT.
Religion, Religion, RELIGION.
A blanket statement like "most Americans believe in god."
Where did you hear that? What makes it true?
I consider myself to be in the grouping of MOST AMERICANS
I DO believe that there is definately a higher power.
As for a talking snake that convinced a woman to eat an evil apple or a boat that carried two of EVERY land animal species on the planet, Not so much. I'm surprised at how pissed off the OPs statement made me. LOL
If we had a leader that spouted christian elitist crap like the OPs post I think that our country would continue on its downward spiral even faster than it's been going.
I'm not going to claim to have the answers to the countrys or worlds problems.
But I 100% believe that if somehow, across the globe, the idea of religion were do dissapear, we'd all be better off.

You are right on the money on all of your points.

[Proven]

Originally Posted by sinner

Some of you have great points but I don't think this is a "racist" thread. The OP isn't looking down on anyone or saying that anyone has to leave. It's a response to that changes that have slowly been taking place in society over recent years. We (my generation) all grew up including "God" in the pledge of allegiance in school. For that to change due to some liberal lawmaker not wanting to offend someone is a travesty. (btw, most religions have some type of god figure so taking it out makes no sense imo. "God" can have allot of different meanings). I don't think he's saying "don't come here". He's saying if you do decide to immigrate here, then there are certain things that you need to be willing to accept. Learning to speak english should be a part of that particularly if you are going to be a working citizen. If I moved to france (god forbid lol) I would make an effort to learn their language because I would want to be accepted as part of their community and not looked upon as an outsider.

I agree that the OP has no racist intentions with this thread. If I moved to Japan I would definitely want to learn the language. Problem is its not an easy task and if I was constantly surrounded by English speaking people (work, friends, etc) I may very well ditch trying to learn Japanese or end up being very crappy with the language do to less usage.

With that said should I be told to leave the Country because of this? Should I be disrespected by people who were born and raised in Japan?

On the other hand (while typing what I just wrote) I think I realized what bugs the OP. I was going to say "if every morning I was forced to pray to Godzilla, In Godzilla I trust" Then I realized all's I would do is not take part rather then try to change their culture. THEN, I realized that the righties have been brainwashing our children for centuries into believing in THEIR religion and realized that NO we shouldn't have to say "in god we trust" if that's not our belief and that Religion should be kept out of schools.

(yeah I went all over the place there)

[igo4bmx]

Dear Troll,
Can you enable the ignore feature on this forum?

[sinner]

Originally Posted by Proven

I agree that the OP has no racist intentions with this thread. If I moved to Japan I would definitely want to learn the language. Problem is its not an easy task and if I was constantly surrounded by English speaking people (work, friends, etc) I may very well ditch trying to learn Japanese or end up being very crappy with the language do to less usage.

With that said should I be told to leave the Country because of this? Should I be disrespected by people who were born and raised in Japan?

On the other hand (while typing what I just wrote) I think I realized what bugs the OP. I was going to say "if every morning I was forced to pray to Godzilla, In Godzilla I trust" Then I realized all's I would do is not take part rather then try to change their culture. THEN, I realized that the righties have been brainwashing our children for centuries into believing in THEIR religion and realized that NO we shouldn't have to say "in god we trust" if that's not our belief and that Religion should be kept out of schools.

(yeah I went all over the place there)

I wouldn't label myself as "christian". I've studied allot of different religions as a hobby and always found it interesting how much it impacts societies. I feel like (and I think you do to) most people are whatever religion there parents taught them was correct. They don't take the time to learn aothers beliefs and just assume they're wrong. I think religion should absolutely be a part of the schools, and actual required class. It should show the similarities and differences of a wide variety of religions, not only mainstream ones, but pagonistic ones as well. With that being said, as I said "god" should've stayed in the pledge. It doesn't say "one nation under Jesus". Jesus = christian. God = higher power. They're very different terms.

[teh DIRT]

Originally Posted by lagos

Then you'll become the immigrant and know how it feels.

cry me a river.

[ScubaSteve]

Seems to me that if you are willing to ignore the Constitution and Bill of Rights in favor of our "American heritage/tradition" you're using the "American way" as a scapegoat to push your own agendas. Everyone has their own agenda and there is nothing wrong with fighting for what you believe in but don't recreate history to defend your point. I can understand putting the crimes against humanity that were committed when this country was founded in the past so we can move on but lets not forget that those who ignore the past are condemned to repeat it (yes I know it's a cliche but it seemed appropriate).

[bastid]

Originally Posted by Proven

I agree that the OP has no racist intentions with this thread. If I moved to Japan I would definitely want to learn the language. Problem is its not an easy task and if I was constantly surrounded by English speaking people (work, friends, etc) I may very well ditch trying to learn Japanese or end up being very crappy with the language do to less usage.

Let me throw a little fuel on the fire...

A better analogy is that we all move to Japan and say "Hey this healthcare system friggin' blows. Let's all vote to get close-to-free healthcare because the the guy who founded Sony makes $20M a year and I don't."

How do you say "Get the **** out?" in Japanese?

[CleanNeon98]

Personally speaking, I think the idea of being "American" has changed over time...it went from love for the country and support for the people in it to hate for other countries and the people that are from them.

[lagos]

Originally Posted by bastid

Let me throw a little fuel on the fire...

A better analogy is that we all move to Japan and say "Hey this healthcare system friggin' blows. Let's all vote to get close-to-free healthcare because the the guy who founded Sony makes $20M a year and I don't."

How do you say "Get the **** out?" in Japanese?

Last time I checked it was the Democrats that wanted a health care plan passed, not immigrants. And if you are allowed to vote on any idea, then you are a citizen of that country and have every right to do so.

[bastid]

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

Personally speaking, I think the idea of being "American" has changed over time...it went from love for the country and support for the people in it to hate for other countries and the people that are from them.

I don't think the average American "hates" other countries. We have a superiority complex built upon industrialization and the most advanced economy and military in the world. I don't think it's fair to say the average American "hates" people from other countries.

If they express it that way, I don't think they are being accurate or to the point. I think what the average American hates is the idea that there are people who come from other countries and try to transform what America is into what they want America to be.

America at some point is going to need to grow a backbone and say enough is enough. For example, just because we have _______-speaking people moving here in droves doesn't automatically force us into adopt a new language or going out of our way to hear our own traditional language. Nothing against those who speak _______, but you knew what you were getting into when you moved here and escaped your lives elsewhere.

[240sxDann]

Originally Posted by bastid

I think what the average American hates is the idea that there are people who come from other countries and try to transform what America is into what they want America to be.

ding ding ding

[lagos]

Originally Posted by sinner

Some of you have great points but I don't think this is a "racist" thread. The OP isn't looking down on anyone or saying that anyone has to leave.

Actually thats exactly what he said.

If I moved to france (god forbid lol) I would make an effort to learn their language because I would want to be accepted as part of their community and not looked upon as an outsider

And how successful do you think you would be at learning their language at your age? You would never fully grasp it and you would always be looked at as an outsider because you would speak with an accent. You realize that the grammar and wording is totally different from country to country?
I speak 2 languages fluently...but thats because I learned when I was 8 years old.

[240sxDann]

Originally Posted by lagos

And how successful do you think you would be at learning their language at your age? You would never fully grasp it and you would always be looked at as an outsider because you would speak with an accent. You realize that the grammar and wording is totally different from country to country?
I speak 2 languages fluently...but thats because I learned when I was 8 years old.

Point being he would at least TRY enough to communicate. And he's also not going over there complaining about their heritage, their tradition, their religion, and saying it's "unfair to me".

[bastid]

Originally Posted by lagos

Actually thats exactly what he said.




And how successful do you think you would be at learning their language at your age? You would never fully grasp it and you would always be looked at as an outsider because you would speak with an accent. You realize that the grammar and wording is totally different from country to country?

Tough ****! Buy Rosetta Stone, go to classes. It's not hieroglyphics. You made your bed, now sleep in it. Learn some of the language before you move there!

[3rdGenMr2Girl]

here's the deal. you come over here, that's fine. learn the language and respect our culture. that's all i ask. don't bash our ideas and history or try to transform the country that YOU wanted to come to into something that it's not. i work with a fair amount of immigrants and i deal with having to speak spanish in my workplace on a daily basis. last time i checked, they should have to be able and willing to communicate with us. it's an english speaking country. if you don't see it first hand, you might not realize just how annoying it can be. if you don't like it here and aren't willing to be a part of our culture, go back to where you come from.

[lagos]

Originally Posted by 240sxDann

Point being he would at least TRY enough to communicate. And he's also not going over there complaining about their heritage, their tradition, their religion, and saying it's "unfair to me".

You think those people dont try? Go ahead, go try to learn a second language. See how easy it is.

I do 110% agree that English should be the official language, but don't look down on someone who speaks something else or has an accent or has their own heritage.

Its such hypocrisy. Taking about how you don't want immigrant culture displayed, yet all of you go to O'neils to have a beer, the Italian place to get pizza, and the Chinese place to to get take out.

Immigrants are the ones who built this country.

[importpower99]

Originally Posted by bastid

America at some point is going to need to grow a backbone and say enough is enough. For example, just because we have _______-speaking people moving here in droves doesn't automatically force us into adopt a new language or going out of our way to hear our own traditional language. Nothing against those who speak _______, but you knew what you were getting into when you moved here and escaped your lives elsewhere.

I can't say I have ever had to adapt a new language, can't say I went out of my way to hear my own language either. Where you getting this info from?

You are just one of those people that go to an authentic mexican restaurant and get all pissed off because they only speak spanish. What were you expecting?

[lagos]

Originally Posted by bastid

Tough ****! Buy Rosetta Stone, go to classes. It's not hieroglyphics. You made your bed, now sleep in it. Learn some of the language before you move there!

If you honestly think that It's possible to learn a second language before moving somewhere then you have no idea what you are talking about.