Obama School speech causes Controversy

[lagos]

George W Bush went to visit a school and give a speech the morning of Sept 11th, when he should have been working on protecting our country. Be angry about that!

[c0nfl1kt]

ITSOSTOCK: If I had to take a guess of where he would be going with his speech without seeing a transcript I would have to guess he would be talking about the importance of the US getting more kids into the maths and sciences. I follow these math and sciences things pretty close, and the US is losing a lot of ground to other parts of the world as far as graduating engineers, etc comes. That might not seem like a big deal, but we are losing our edge when it comes to getting our companies technology contracts and producing cutting edge technology, etc. That is a guess, of course, but a very educated one.

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by c0nfl1kt

ITSOSTOCK: If I had to take a guess of where he would be going with his speech without seeing a transcript I would have to guess he would be talking about the importance of the US getting more kids into the maths and sciences. I follow these math and sciences things pretty close, and the US is losing a lot of ground to other parts of the world as far as graduating engineers, etc comes. That might not seem like a big deal, but we are losing our edge when it comes to getting our companies technology contracts and producing cutting edge technology, etc. That is a guess, of course, but a very educated one.

My psychic abilities aren't as good as yours. Neither are parents of the children in those classes.

Again, as I just stated, if that's all it is, then I applaud the decision to show this in schools. Unfortunately, the transcript has not been released. BTW, you don't need to follow math and science "closely" to realize the rest of your statement.

It's as simple as this; release what will be said and parents can make an EDUCATED decision on whether or not their children should should listen. Right now it is just a guessing game. So I have to ask, if Obama actually does push his agenda of any kind (whether it be global warming, welfare, health care, or any number of other major issues) on to the children, is that okay with you?

[lagos]

Originally Posted by ITSTOCK

My psychic abilities aren't as good as yours. Neither are parents of the children in those classes.

Again, as I just stated, if that's all it is, then I applaud the decision to show this in schools. Unfortunately, the transcript has not been released. BTW, you don't need to follow math and science "closely" to realize the rest of your statement.

It's as simple as this; release what will be said and parents can make an EDUCATED decision on whether or not their children should should listen. Right now it is just a guessing game. So I have to ask, if Obama actually does push his agenda of any kind (whether it be global warming, welfare, health care, or any number of other major issues) on to the children, is that okay with you?

Every president in our history has visited a school, and kissed babies. Is it right for them to do so? Who knows... but its what they do.
Obama is not trying to push some kind of secret agenda onto a bunch of 6th graders in order to prepare them for the end of days.

The guy gets criticized for the type of mustard he puts on his burgers for christs sake. Enough already. Its like anything he does, even if its positive and has been done for years by other presidents gets turned around and spun into something its not.

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by lagos

Every president in our history has visited a school, and kissed babies. Is it right for them to do so? Who knows... but its what they do.
Obama is not trying to push some kind of secret agenda onto a bunch of 6th graders in order to prepare them for the end of days.

The guy gets criticized for the type of mustard he puts on his burgers for christs sake. Enough already. Its like anything he does, even if its positive and has been done for years by other presidents gets turned around and spun into something its not.

Well, he eats yellow mustard and that does suck...


Put an end to the dept of edumacation and have a nice separation of education and state. Maybe that is what the O will be talking about. I doubt it, but I can still dream.

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by lagos

Every president in our history has visited a school, and kissed babies. Is it right for them to do so? Who knows... but its what they do.
Obama is not trying to push some kind of secret agenda onto a bunch of 6th graders in order to prepare them for the end of days.

The guy gets criticized for the type of mustard he puts on his burgers for christs sake. Enough already. Its like anything he does, even if its positive and has been done for years by other presidents gets turned around and spun into something its not.

Jesus christ on a ****ing stick. He isn't VISITING any damn school!

WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE **** HE IS TRYING TO "PUSH" on to CHILDREN.

[lagos]

Originally Posted by poolmike

Well, he eats yellow mustard and that does suck...

Once again I need to correct you dear sir. It is in fact dijon mustard. Hes not "yellow", hes like upscale and french!

[FocusDude]

Let him go on- I've no problem.

My kids are to young right now. But the day my children come home screaming about how we need CFL's and Hybrids, and if we don't buy them we must hate the world yada yada BS. RAWR!

[c0nfl1kt]

Originally Posted by ITSTOCK

My psychic abilities aren't as good as yours. Neither are parents of the children in those classes.

Again, as I just stated, if that's all it is, then I applaud the decision to show this in schools. Unfortunately, the transcript has not been released. BTW, you don't need to follow math and science "closely" to realize the rest of your statement.

It's as simple as this; release what will be said and parents can make an EDUCATED decision on whether or not their children should should listen. Right now it is just a guessing game. So I have to ask, if Obama actually does push his agenda of any kind (whether it be global warming, welfare, health care, or any number of other major issues) on to the children, is that okay with you?

It's not psychic abilities. He's talked about the importance of education plenty of times before. I am not as shut out of all aspects of politics as people who choose to belong and listen to one side of the conversation. He is a smart man and has probably followed the ongoing decline of American schools graduating students in the sciences, etc. I could very well be wrong, but if they released a speech before he spoke you wouldn't need a speech, you could just pass around a leaflet. And, it wouldn't be much of an educated guess =)

[05 mazda6s]

I don't understand these republicans. How is this inappropriate? He's going to schools to better students and directing them to the pathway to success by telling what hard work could really accomplish. How is that so wrong? It's not this is something never done either. President George Bush and Laura Bush did the same thing as well as President Ronald Regan. And now all of a sudden when our first black president does this, it causes a controversy.

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by c0nfl1kt

It's not psychic abilities. He's talked about the importance of education plenty of times before.

Right, and in which case, I have absolutely zero problem with. However, you state this as in you know exactly what he is going to say. YOU DON'T.

I am not as shut out of all aspects of politics as people who choose to belong and listen to one side of the conversation. He is a smart man and has probably followed the ongoing decline of American schools graduating students in the sciences, etc. I could very well be wrong, but if they released a speech before he spoke you wouldn't need a speech, you could just pass around a leaflet. And, it wouldn't be much of an educated guess =)

Well, for starters, you can look at the czars who were appointed to get an idea of his true scientific ignorance. You can do the same for mathematics. At any rate, this is certainly not transparency when you "hide" a speech, and contrary to what you might think, a child's curriculum is actually available.

Originally Posted by 05 mazda6s

And now all of a sudden when our first black president does this, it causes a controversy.

He is as much white as he is black , whatever the hell that means. Stop interjecting race in to conversations. The majority of us have literally zero problem with what freaking color skin is, it's the policy that bothers us.

And again, I ask;

... if Obama actually does push his agenda of any kind (whether it be global warming, welfare, health care, or any number of other major issues) on to the children, is that okay with you?

[lagos]

Originally Posted by ITSTOCK

Right, and in which case, I have absolutely zero problem with. However, you state this as in you know exactly what he is going to say. YOU DON'T.

What on earth are you so worried about? You're acting like hes going to give them the secret kill order to initiate the apocalypse. The president has the freedom of speech to say anything at any time. If a parent has some kind of problem with them or their kids listening to what the President has to say, then they are quite simply out of their mind.
Not to mention that they can choose not to send their kid to school that day.

I don't think this is an issue with the parents as much it is just the latest headline of the day to bash him with.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by jbdakid

Watch it, there are lots of people on this site (and FNC) that believe this!

ha ha...

There are also people here who believe that the government is competent enough to run health care and that people shouldn't have to provide for themselves (and CNN/ABC/MSNBC).

Originally Posted by c0nfl1kt

Kids, you can watch anyone you want on TV! As long as it's Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck or any given selection of delicious and informative Fox News Specials. =)

Or they can change the channel and watch one of the three left leaning news channels. "Hey kids, time for Keith Olberman!" Now there is a roll model.

Originally Posted by c0nfl1kt

That is what I imagine them saying. If you don't let your kids think for themselves as their brains are still developing while they are young then you are not doing them a favor. You are starving them from becoming free-thinking men and women who could better the world, not become useless weight upon it.

People in America haven't thought for themselves, collectively, for decades. They rely on the media to dictate life to them. But no worries, by the time most of the younger kids are adults, there will be enough socialist programs in place that nobody will be looked at as a useless weight.

[c0nfl1kt]

Originally Posted by ITSTOCK

Right, and in which case, I have absolutely zero problem with. However, you state this as in you know exactly what he is going to say. YOU DON'T.

I don't, but I have said that myself, yet you wish to make me out to be some sort of fortune teller. I really don't see what anyone is worried about. It seems that most of the fears feeding the frenzy is home-brewed, not warranted by any actions whatsoever. Maybe it's the color of his skin, because it's truly remarkable that there was no uproar over George H.W. Bush and Ronald Reagan both doing televised speeches to schools in 1988 and 1991.

You tell me, what sort of proof do you have to support that there might be some sort of "malicious" message embedded in this speech?

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

People in America haven't thought for themselves, collectively, for decades. They rely on the media to dictate life to them. But no worries, by the time most of the younger kids are adults, there will be enough socialist programs in place that nobody will be looked at as a useless weight.

Another Nostradamus. We had tons of people like you back in the 1960's talking about Kennedy being the anti-christ and being the downfall of western civilization. Kennedy showed more guts than any republican president before him by staring a more powerful, more intelligent, and angrier Soviet Union straight in the eyes and dismantling them mentally. He also drove this great nation of ours to put several men on the moon.

We have socialist programs right now. Pure capitalism nor pure socialism will never work. Our government and economy must become a mix of both to accommodate a changing world. Look at China, already deviating from their half-bred communism and incorporating some of the free market ideals to a road that will lead them, unless the USA wakes the f-up, become more powerful than us in a few decades. But, no, everyone seems to be happy enough to fight among their government rather than with it to become great again. That's fine if it makes you happy, but it will lead to absolutely nothing.

[RSX Type-Slow]

Originally Posted by c0nfl1kt

Another Nostradamus. We had tons of people like you back in the 1960's talking about Kennedy being the anti-christ and being the downfall of western civilization. Kennedy showed more guts than any republican president before him by staring a more powerful, more intelligent, and angrier Soviet Union straight in the eyes and dismantling them mentally. He also drove this great nation of ours to put several men on the moon.

We have socialist programs right now. Pure capitalism nor pure socialism will never work. Our government and economy must become a mix of both to accommodate a changing world. Look at China, already deviating from their half-bred communism and incorporating some of the free market ideals to a road that will lead them, unless the USA wakes the f-up, become more powerful than us in a few decades. But, no, everyone seems to be happy enough to fight among their government rather than with it to become great again. That's fine if it makes you happy, but it will lead to absolutely nothing.

man as much as i agee with you, i feel it wont happen until it's too late.


threads like this get my blood boiling. It makes me hate the gov't, how this country is run, and 99% of it's citizens. but i'm also a hypocrit since i dont do anything about it.

[c0nfl1kt]

Originally Posted by RSX Type-Slow

man as much as i agee with you, i feel it wont happen until it's too late.


threads like this get my blood boiling. It makes me hate the gov't, how this country is run, and 99% of it's citizens. but i'm also a hypocrit since i dont do anything about it.

No one can do anything about it. Calling your local representative and bawwwing to him about it isn't going to get anything done. It just gives you the illusion that you did. Then, you proceed to pat yourself on the back and tell everyone that doesn't do that that they are dumb commies. Give me a break. Do you really think any of us can do anything about change? No, a revolution won't do squat. That tactic used to work back in ancient days with bronze swords and arrows. Want to try and remove the president because he hurts your feelings? Become some sort of politician and push to have him impeached. Take another chance with Biden. Put him for impeachment, try out Nancy Pelosi(god help us all). After that, it just goes right down the chain. The best thing you can do is ride the wave where it may go.

Hypocrite, you are not one. Being a hypocrite means when you, for example, say you hate democrats and are one. Being inactive doesn't mean you're a hypocrite.

[importpower99]

Originally Posted by ITSTOCK

The problem is that they won't release the transcript, so nobody knows exactly what will be said. Parents have a right to know the curriculum for their children. If it is to push his political agenda on to the children, we have created a new era of Hitler Youth. The second the BS starts spewing from his mouth, I see a huge problem.




I have absolutely ZERO problem with this if it's what he is going to do. Again, if it's purely about the importance of education, I applaud it being shown in schools.

I don't think he will try to push any of his agenda on to a five year old. He said it was just about the importance of an education. The same that some other presidents have done. Getting a transcript ahead time will just give fox news another story to twist.
ex. If he says stay in school and go to college. Then Fox news and retarded americans will say that he is telling kids that they are useless unless they attend higher education. And if he tell them they should start there own business, then they will say that he is telling kids to stay out of college.
So it's a lose/lose sitution.

[importpower99]

Originally Posted by grimm

i'm sorry that you dont understand politics enough to know that there is more to this than a pep talk about staying in school and reaching goals. I have yet to see the government do anything with out alternative motives, especially this one.

more importantly as i said before a school is not the proper venue for this. broadcast it after school, so the parents and children can watch it together. why is it the government won't do that? hmmm????

There is nothing to understand. Stay in school, and you won't be giving handjobs in the alley for $5.00.

And should the parents attend school everyday with their children just to make sure they are learning what there parents want them to learn.
(ex; the south really won the civil war, we never landed on the moon, we were all created by god, we evolved from a monkey, or any other thoughts people have)



And people he's not giving the speech on person like "ITSTOCK" has said mutiple times. It will be a live broadcast over television (except on fox) to all schools that have TV's.

[sherwood]

ron paul 2012(if were not all dead)

[importpower99]

Originally Posted by c0nfl1kt

No one can do anything about it. Calling your local representative and bawwwing to him about it isn't going to get anything done. It just gives you the illusion that you did. Then, you proceed to pat yourself on the back and tell everyone that doesn't do that that they are dumb commies. Give me a break. Do you really think any of us can do anything about change? No, a revolution won't do squat. That tactic used to work back in ancient days with bronze swords and arrows. Want to try and remove the president because he hurts your feelings? Become some sort of politician and push to have him impeached. Take another chance with Biden. Put him for impeachment, try out Nancy Pelosi(god help us all). After that, it just goes right down the chain. The best thing you can do is ride the wave where it may go.

Hypocrite, you are not one. Being a hypocrite means when you, for example, say you hate democrats and are one. Being inactive doesn't mean you're a hypocrite.

No you are wrong once again! If you want to do something you can! You just have to have a lot of money to support that politician on his next campaign. Or slip him a hundred dollar bill on the down low. Or wait till he his moving up in his career then buy his position.
See you can do something