Ronald Reagan speaks out against socialized medicine.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by fballman1987

haha i could have told you that you guys werent gonna leave as planned. it sucks he got the hopes of every military family up for something he wont deliver on

Oh I never expected it to go down as planned. Obama isn't exclusive in making promises he knows he can't follow through on, but his supporters seem to think otherwise and so far he hasn't shown that he has the nuts to do anything other than put us further into debt.

I don't think anyone knows how easy it will be to leave Iraq. Stop sending new troops, when current tours are up, they leave and don't come back. Make KBR pack everything up that's important and leave the rest for the Iraqis. BAM! Done. We serve no role here now other than supervisory and backup if called upon, which is almost never.

[c0nfl1kt]

I just can't stop laughing at the people that still think the government is somehow going to take over health care or that the bill is even referred to as "Universal Health Care" in congress where this bill is being written from fragments of other bills.

[ILLJIM69]

And magically nobody is reading the bill.

[jspek]

magically everyone is a ****tard for starting/going in these threads and saying the same **** over and over again. its getting real ****ing old.

[angdefeo]

So Medicare, the largest group insurance in the country, which is a direct federal goverment plan is a socialist/communist policy? I wonder if everyone over 62 years old in the USA woud be wiling to buy their own insurance versus complaining that others in our country would get the same type of benefit?

There is so much misinformation out there that i am scared to see what will come out of this new move towards giving most of of the population in the country the option to see a dr and not worry about how much it will cost and if they are going to go broke.

Dont forget that a person who visits a dr and is checked regularly, versus only going to the emergency room in extreme situations ends up costing everyone less money.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by angdefeo

So Medicare, the largest group insurance in the country, which is a direct federal goverment plan is a socialist/communist policy? I wonder if everyone over 62 years old in the USA woud be wiling to buy their own insurance versus complaining that others in our country would get the same type of benefit?

There is so much misinformation out there that i am scared to see what will come out of this new move towards giving most of of the population in the country the option to see a dr and not worry about how much it will cost and if they are going to go broke.

Dont forget that a person who visits a dr and is checked regularly, versus only going to the emergency room in extreme situations ends up costing everyone less money.

I don't have any problems with people getting their own health care plan, I just don't want to pay for it, because they should. Why should our tax dollars go to cover morons who can't seem to stop producing children they can't afford? Why should our tax dollars go towards covering people who eat fast food all the time, smoke, do drugs, etc? I don't think we should, it's up to them to get covered.

If you have a bottom rung job with no benefits, perhaps it's time to think and say "geeez, I have no health care coverage and not a lot of extra money laying around, maybe I shouldn't have kids right now". But no, people think they are entitled to do that, and that is fine with me. But don't start crying about how someone needs to help you out when you made all these choices on your own, unless of course all these kids born into poverty were conceived at gunpoint (quick hint - they weren't). I am so tired of seeing other people being FORCED to take care of the sick, weak and lazy. It should be up to them to cover their own rear ends. If people, like yourself presumably, feel so passionatly about making sure everyone is taken care of, then by all means, feel free to give as much of your money away as you want. Me? I prefer to keep as much as I can for MY FAMILY and then if I feel the desire to help someone else out, I can do so.

[angdefeo]

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

I don't have any problems with people getting their own health care plan, I just don't want to pay for it, because they should. Why should our tax dollars go to cover morons who can't seem to stop producing children they can't afford? Why should our tax dollars go towards covering people who eat fast food all the time, smoke, do drugs, etc? I don't think we should, it's up to them to get covered.

If you have a bottom rung job with no benefits, perhaps it's time to think and say "geeez, I have no health care coverage and not a lot of extra money laying around, maybe I shouldn't have kids right now". But no, people think they are entitled to do that, and that is fine with me. But don't start crying about how someone needs to help you out when you made all these choices on your own, unless of course all these kids born into poverty were conceived at gunpoint (quick hint - they weren't). I am so tired of seeing other people being FORCED to take care of the sick, weak and lazy. It should be up to them to cover their own rear ends. If people, like yourself presumably, feel so passionatly about making sure everyone is taken care of, then by all means, feel free to give as much of your money away as you want. Me? I prefer to keep as much as I can for MY FAMILY and then if I feel the desire to help someone else out, I can do so.

I am not sure where you live.....but all people under age 18 are already covered in PA via Cchip (if you cannot find private insurance) and i am almost positive that there is a similar program in NJ. With medicare.....everyone over 62 has coverage.....so it just leaves people between 18-62 to colse the gap.

I agree with your points about choosing to have children if you can afford them, but unless our whole country starts again where the goverment is completely hands off, our current system will affect folks like me and you who are responsible.

Health care costs, and insurance to pay for will rise to a point where our insurance premiums will cut into our pockets if we want it to or not. Its people who dont have coverage who go to emergency rooms who cannot pay and cannot be turned away that force costs up for everyone else. So without something to mitigate that occuring over and over again, we will all be affected whether we like it or not.

So in the end, i agree with you....that we should all be responsible for our own rear ends.....but our current system will chew off our rear ends if its not adjusted.

For example.....the current Medicare coverage, which is the largest single block of people covered by any insurance plan in our country.....is not allowed to negoiate with drug companies for the price they will pay for medicines. Does that make sense to you? It doesnt to me. They have every reason to be able to ask for the best prices, but arent allowed too under the current laws.

So all i am saying....is lets find ways to make the system better before it hurts us all.

[ILLJIM69]

That is because people between the ages of 18 and 62 should be working.

Also, when it comes to the ER, if it isn't life, limb or eyesight, they should be sent packing. Sounds mean I know, but sometimes people need a little tough love and over the last 30 years, that has been hard to give since the bleeding hearts think it's "mean".