The U.S. is dumb

[redline]

Seriously they would of been heavily guarded through ALL transport! This just doesn't happen without people knowing!

[doug]

Guys.. stop replying in this thread, and let's get it closed before we get sued for copyright infringement.. because we are totally snagging Broken Arrow's movie plot.

[Ryza24]

Originally Posted by MPowerKai

You'd be foolish to think they have to be armed and fired to cause some serious damage. The fact is they still have a plutonium core and weapons grade plutonium is.....well yea....it's powerful.

Also if that plane went down for some unknown reason say bye bye the north america because warheads are only designed to be single point safe which means a serious accident COULD result in detonation

that plane could crash and none of those nukes would even detontate... the firing mechanism would have to be activated and detonated PRECISELY all the way around the core to BILLIONths of a second to cause "the splitting of the atom"... otherwise the C4 or whatver explosive they use would jus blow up with its own power and spread Radiation all over... still pretty dangerous but nothing on that nuclear scale... the nuke war head would still have to be activated... its not like a live round or standard missle...


nonetheless.. the story dosent make sense.. at all ...COVEEEER UP !

[97TurboDSM]

so if one of those nukes "mistakenly" fell from the plane nobody would be pissed? Eff that, flying a plane around the US without knowingly having nukes on board is inexcusable. no question anyone invovled in that should be realeased from their position because that is a threat to national security which we are trying to protect. as a future member of congress or the like, i would be horrified if i was in office and this happened. just absolutely terrible.

[wrx_snobordr]

Originally Posted by 97TurboDSM

as a future member of congress or the like, i would be horrified if i was in office and this happened. just absolutely terrible.

What district do you plan to run for? I wouldn't mind running for 8th in the future (PA).

[streetAssasin96]

Originally Posted by wrx_snobordr

There has to be way more to the story than is being made public. First off, maybe I am wrong but I would assume that nuclear weapons are not stored with the standard arsenal. Second, again, maybe I am wrong, but I would think it takes top level clearance to get them out of storage not to mention mountains of paperwork. Third, I doubt the people loading the plane failed to notice the fact that they were loading NUCLEAR WEAPONS!

I heard it was a "routine transfer" but if that is the case why the firing of an officer? If it was routine then why is it a story at all?

Then I heard it was a mistake, but honestly, how can it be a mistake. You don't mistakenly take nuclear weapons out of storage, mistakenly load them onto a plane and mistakenly take off, did nobody do their job? Its not like you need to practice loading them onto the jet, thats what dummy bombs are for.

I am not one for conspiracy theories but this cover story stinks and I am not buying it.

Good point! It may just be more Demoncraps trying to move their way into office by making more negative propaganda. Its like how the Demos have the nerve to talk **** on Bush, but they were the ones who denied assasination of Bin Laden when U.S. troops had him in their sight during the Clinton Administration. To think the twin towers may still be here today if that one decision was turned flipside.

I'm sorry I know I'm way off topic and maybe out of line, but when I go to the movies and see a stupid ****ing kid wearing a "Buck Fush" shirt it sends me into a rant. THATS DELIBERANT DISRESPECT

[whitezenki]

Scapegoat for something that happens everyday. Leak got out, and someone has to be blamed.

Thats what I think.

Lots of bureaucratic BS in the upper military ranks. It wouldnt surprise me.

[97TurboDSM]

Originally Posted by wrx_snobordr

What district do you plan to run for? I wouldn't mind running for 8th in the future (PA).

to answer your question im not exactly sure. im in school right now as a political science major so my options are still open. i would definitely enjoy working in and around harrisburg and get my voice heard. i would like to think i can make a difference but that will remain to be seen.

[james_ls]

Wow...why even bother making an article.

Really guys...

[wrx_snobordr]

Originally Posted by whitezenki

Scapegoat for something that happens everyday. Leak got out, and someone has to be blamed.

Thats what I think.

Lots of bureaucratic BS in the upper military ranks. It wouldnt surprise me.

Yeah, could get a bit messy. Russia has sent a few of their bombers into our and British air space and they have had to be escorted out by our fighters.

In a draw down treaty with Russia we agreed to never fly nuclear tipped missiles, guess that went out the window.

I just really do not understand how some people can be buying the story. I mean, 6 cruise missiles on the wings do not just go un-noticed.

[97TurboDSM]

understandably six nuclear missles cant go unnoticed, however, what would be the purpose of this story if not the truth. if this is the cover up story, dude in charge must have done something really messed up for this to be a cover story.

[jspek]

that story is very misleading. who cares if nuclear weapons flew over states? hell what was it like in the 50s and 60s? the main headline should be bomber mistakenly armed with nuclear weapons. but idk...something is up with that story.

[1gmfanatik]

We do not transport nuclear weapons by plane, they are ALWAYS transported by escorted vehicle transports through the states. It is weird how this got out though. I don't see any military personel telling the damn media that loaders mistakenly loaded that plane with nuclear weapons. Also, without being armed, they could have fallen from the plane and never gone off. They are designed and tested so that they can withstand a fall like that without exploding.

The largest issue that was had here, was that they had no idea where those nukes were. The military "lost" 6 nuclear warheads, and that was the largest problem at hand.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by Ryza24

that plane could crash and none of those nukes would even detontate... the firing mechanism would have to be activated and detonated PRECISELY all the way around the core to BILLIONths of a second to cause "the splitting of the atom"... otherwise the C4 or whatver explosive they use would jus blow up with its own power and spread Radiation all over... still pretty dangerous but nothing on that nuclear scale... the nuke war head would still have to be activated... its not like a live round or standard missle...


nonetheless.. the story dosent make sense.. at all ...COVEEEER UP !

agreed, its insanely difficult to create and then sustain a fusion reaction. i couldnt care less what flys over, in any case it was too far away to have any effects here besides agricultural

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by 97TurboDSM

to answer your question im not exactly sure. im in school right now as a political science major so my options are still open. i would definitely enjoy working in and around harrisburg and get my voice heard. i would like to think i can make a difference but that will remain to be seen.

Some of us are still living out our astronaut dreams I see. Well good luck, mr. future member of congress. Just be forewarned that because you go to school as a political science major doesn't equal congress. It's a bold statement to make and I wish you the best, I just hope that you are doing MUCH MUCH more than just going to school, or you are best friends with someone who has really deep pockets.

It's amazing how many people are so out of touch with reality.

But anyway, if someone is dumb enough to believe the absolute bare minimum provided to us by the media, I say you put on your tinfoil hats. So to MKai, yes, the general US public is dumb for believing exactly what the media states.

Oh, and a nuclear bomb is caused by an electronic reaction (not thermal which could be triggered by a crash), so a plane crashing, or a bomb falling off a plane (which there are thousands of nuclear bombs scattered across the globe, in oceans, in bays, and on civilized land) will not cause the bomb to detonate. I guess that the only difference between this story and it not being a story, is that someone couldn't keep their big traps shut when it comes to sensitive, classified information.

[NJGOAT]

Wow...so many "experts" in this thread. Only one person hit it on the nose on why this was important, wrx snobrdr. The U.S. routinely flies nuclear warheads around the country for decommissioning and re-deployment. The person who said they drive them around is completely off base. What's easier to hijack a B-52 bomber flying from one secure air base to another, or a convoy of trucks driving nuclear bombs down the highway? Which would have a bigger chance of getting into an accident?

From what I've read on the various news wires, the missiles were to be seperated from their warheads, the missiles loaded onto the plane and the warheads loaded in storage on the plane. The plane was then to deliver the seperated missiles and warheads for decommissioning. Somebody f'd up and never removed the warheads from the missiles before they were loaded. So, the plane was SUPPOSED to be carrying nuclear warheads. That isn't the issue. The issue is that they were attached to their delivery system and were essentially active. This violated the non-proliferation agreement between the U.S. and Russia that stated we would not fly bombers that were carrying missiles with nuclear warheads attached.

Now, think about the current strained diplomatic stance between the U.S. and Russia and it makes perfect sense why the U.S. would disclose this and punish the people responsible. How would it look if we covered it up, but the Russians still found out about it. Russia has recently resumed strategic bomber flights over the Atlantic, Pacific and Arctic. If they found out that we had flown nuclear armed bombers around, how long would it be before they armed their bombers? It would re-escalate tensions for no reason.

So, conspiracy theory all you want, or assume we only got part of the story, but it seems pretty open and shut to me. As for the U.S. being dumb, I'm pretty sure we aren't nearly as dumb as some other countries out there.

[tjf]

if you dont like the US you know where the door is

[BradC]

Originally Posted by NJGOAT

Wow...so many "experts" in this thread. Only one person hit it on the nose on why this was important, wrx snobrdr. The U.S. routinely flies nuclear warheads around the country for decommissioning and re-deployment. The person who said they drive them around is completely off base. What's easier to hijack a B-52 bomber flying from one secure air base to another, or a convoy of trucks driving nuclear bombs down the highway? Which would have a bigger chance of getting into an accident?

Agreed

Originally Posted by NJGOAT

From what I've read on the various news wires, the missiles were to be seperated from their warheads, the missiles loaded onto the plane and the warheads loaded in storage on the plane. The plane was then to deliver the seperated missiles and warheads for decommissioning. Somebody f'd up and never removed the warheads from the missiles before they were loaded. So, the plane was SUPPOSED to be carrying nuclear warheads. That isn't the issue. The issue is that they were attached to their delivery system and were essentially active. This violated the non-proliferation agreement between the U.S. and Russia that stated we would not fly bombers that were carrying missiles with nuclear warheads attached.

That was my understanding from an article I read about as well.

Originally Posted by NJGOAT

Now, think about the current strained diplomatic stance between the U.S. and Russia and it makes perfect sense why the U.S. would disclose this and punish the people responsible. How would it look if we covered it up, but the Russians still found out about it. Russia has recently resumed strategic bomber flights over the Atlantic, Pacific and Arctic. If they found out that we had flown nuclear armed bombers around, how long would it be before they armed their bombers? It would re-escalate tensions for no reason.

Russia has already started re-flying long-rang bomber patrols.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...nrussia106.xml
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...8&refer=europe
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070905/76774553.html

[Intercooled T]

I still wanna know why this thread is titled "The U.S. is dumb".

Um, last time I checked the "Air Force" had this mishap, not the U.S.

[NJGOAT]

Originally Posted by BradC

Russia has already started re-flying long-rang bomber patrols.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...nrussia106.xml
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...8&refer=europe
http://en.rian.ru/russia/20070905/76774553.html

You are absolutely correct, that is what I said. The final point I was trying to make is that, since they have already resumed flights (we never stopped), how would Russia respond if they found out that we had an armed bomber flying around? My guess would be that they would arm their bombers, then we would arm ours and now we are re-escalating tensions. That is the reason IMO that the U.S. released this information and publicly punished those responsible.