E46 M3 or E92 335i??

[sisforsurfing]

Originally Posted by ///MpoweredM

I also could not help but to notice your lies. "It moves nice but isnt as fast as I thought." Sorry to rain on your parade. But you have never seen my car pull anywhere. Esp. not around Hamilton. Ohh and as for the same trans and rear as an M3... Do some homework before you post inaccurate information.

Whoa, I dont think D was talking about you at ALL. I'm pretty sure he was talking about a white 318 that's from the area. It supposedly has an S54 swap.

edit: sorry to off topic, I just wanted to set that straight.

[///MpoweredM]

Originally Posted by sisforsurfing

Whoa, I dont think D was talking about you at ALL. I'm pretty sure he was talking about a white 318 that's from the area. It supposedly has an S54 swap.

edit: sorry to off topic, I just wanted to set that straight.

Well than he needs to come on here and clarify that.

[96s14]

Such hostility

[9 Ball]

Originally Posted by bastid

I haven't the experience of driving a 335 yet, however I hear it is a boring car to drive albeit quick. Many e46 M3 owners claim that it doesn't have nearly as much feedback or is as fun to drive as the e46 M.

That’s what I’ve been hearing also. Albeit, a very nice car though.

Originally Posted by raceMpower95

I'd go with the E46 M3. Not only is it a better built car including the ///M badge on the rear, but it has a much wider array of aftermarket options. The availability of aftermarket parts for the E90/E92 are still very limited; mainly Hartge and AC Schnitzer. So my vote goes to the M3.

Good point also.

I’ve been debating about switching to the M brand in the future (“Philly Boy” just went from a WRX to a convertible E46 M3.) If I were to switch cars right now, I would go with an E46 M3 or the new M coupe. It’s more of a sports car than the 335 which is a sedan… still fast though.

[MPowerKai]

Originally Posted by 9 Ball

It’s more of a sports car than the 335 which is a sedan… still fast though.

Ahh but it's a coupe, does that change your mind any?

[9 Ball]

Originally Posted by MPowerKai

Ahh but it's a coupe, does that change your mind any?

Sorry… I meant sedan as in the “feel” of the car. It “feels” more sedan like (I should’ve clarified that better.) Yes, being a two door it is attractive.

Funny thing, I was reading Car and Driver/Road and Track (can’t remember which one) and they were discussing the performance stats of the 335. Most numbers are similar if not better. So know I’m not sure any more… either way it will be a great car to own.

[ITSTOCK]

06 BMW M3: $61,xxx
07BMW 335: $45,xxx

**** the M3. I just went to check out the 335 this morning (no pesky car salesmen), I will DEFINATELY be taking it for a test drive this week.

[alachua]

Where the hell did the myth come about that turbo cars are somehow fragile. Reading that bimmer talk link you would swear he had porcelin dolls under the hood.

To answer your question, it depends on what you want to do with the car. The new 335i is certainly cool as hell, but it doesn't exude that 'big player' status that rolling in an M3 would. Also, the M is a more performance oriented beast, so if all out driving is your goal, the M is more likely a better way to go. I wouldn't concern yourself over engine longevity, espicially since a properly designed forced induction engine will last as long as a properly designed naturally aspirated motor.

If you are looking for a car to drive to and from work every day, have a little on tap for a highway romp, and just want a nice car, I'm sure the new 335i would have a much better selection of incentives at the dealer, and would offer you a fantastic daily driver.

-Cliff

[Crzyguy972]

e46 m3

[///MpoweredM]

Originally Posted by ITSTOCK

06 BMW M3: $61,xxx
07BMW 335: $45,xxx

**** the M3. I just went to check out the 335 this morning (no pesky car salesmen), I will DEFINATELY be taking it for a test drive this week.

$61,000 for an 06 M3 is overpaying. Even if its loaded. $45,000 for a 335 is not very well optioned...

[RightHandDrift]

I'm actually a client advisor (sales) at Otto's BMW in West Chester, PA.

I've driven the 335i coupe, 335i sedan, and E46 M3.

The M3 is more raw, especially the n/a engine.

On the new coupe, you do not feel any turbo lag with the 2 small turbos. The powerband is more usable for everyday driving (300 ft.lbs at 1400-5000 rpms.) They're both great cars, so it really comes down to personal preferences. The new coupe has some sick new technologies added, and gets suprising gas mileage.

Think of aftermarket tuning potential too. There's not a whole lot beyond intake and exhaust for the E46 without spending several GRAND. The new coupe won't be cheap but tuners are already tweaking the boost, adding 80hp. Damn, I love my job.

~Greg Dougall
610-399-8065 work

[MPowerKai]

Originally Posted by ///MpoweredM

$61,000 for an 06 M3 is overpaying. Even if its loaded. $45,000 for a 335 is not very well optioned...

My friend bought his M3 for 63k out the door not fully loaded so I don't see why 61 would be overpaying. I mean you have a MZ4 you should know how expensive these things are.

[bastid]

Originally Posted by MPowerKai

Ahh but it's a coupe, does that change your mind any?

Actually they are both sedans by definition. Sedan is a term based on cabin space and not the amount of doors (4dr = saloon car).

FTW

[RightHandDrift]

By the way, another stat to throw into the mix

E46 M3 mpg 16city/23hwy

335i coupe 20city/29hwy

[9 Ball]

Bottom line… I need to test drive a 335i. I’m not sure what vehicle I will purchase within the next few years. The new V8 M3 will be $70-$80,000? The 335i would be a good buy in terms of price, alone. It would also be nice to have a German car next time around and something that holds its’ value fairly well.

I am flirting with the idea of purchasing the next generation M3.

[///MpoweredM]

Originally Posted by MPowerKai

My friend bought his M3 for 63k out the door not fully loaded so I don't see why 61 would be overpaying. I mean you have a MZ4 you should know how expensive these things are.

the invoice on my car is a bit more than an e46 M3. Fully Loaded except Navi and Heated seats. $53,970 out the door after Taxes. I feel bad for your friend, he got ass raped. I am on my 7th BMW in the last 3 years. I know.

[///MpoweredM]

Originally Posted by RightHandDrift

I'm actually a client advisor (sales) at Otto's BMW in West Chester, PA.

I've driven the 335i coupe, 335i sedan, and E46 M3.

The M3 is more raw, especially the n/a engine.

On the new coupe, you do not feel any turbo lag with the 2 small turbos. The powerband is more usable for everyday driving (300 ft.lbs at 1400-5000 rpms.) They're both great cars, so it really comes down to personal preferences. The new coupe has some sick new technologies added, and gets suprising gas mileage.

Think of aftermarket tuning potential too. There's not a whole lot beyond intake and exhaust for the E46 without spending several GRAND. The new coupe won't be cheap but tuners are already tweaking the boost, adding 80hp. Damn, I love my job.

~Greg Dougall
610-399-8065 work

There is noticeable Turbo Lag. I get 30MPG on the highway and 22-23 City highway mixed with the S54 Engine. Tuners are tweaking the boost... Yes this maybe so. This is a First year car and it has a large amount of problems. 2 335i's in my area have Blown up under 1000 miles. My cousins 335i has blown up with 250 Miles. So i know of 3 already. My girl friends E90 325i. 3000 Miles engine blown. << I know its not the same engine. My e90 330 massive electrical issues with 30K miles. Dont buy a first year car.

The power band with an S54 engine is a bit better, i dont need to go over 3-4K and it gets up and goes. A little less annoying with the N/a than dealing with the 1-2.5K lag in the 335.

So back to the point. The 335i turbo engine is tuned to the max. Do you think BMW would build a car that with a few mods you are getting More HP. This puts the new M3 sales in jeopardy. Since now the smart car shopper can pick up a well optioned 335i coupe for under 43K. the new M3 will have a base price of 52,900.00 Plus Options you will be over 60K. Its common sense. Just wait and see how many people will have problems when they change something and blow up their 335's.

and your wrong on modding BMW's its expensive as hell to mod any BMW. you can supercharge an M3 and beat on 996 turbos all day long.

If i were buying a car Greg, I wouldnt buy from you. Learn your ****. How long have you been selling BMW's?

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by ///MpoweredM

$61,000 for an 06 M3 is overpaying. Even if its loaded. $45,000 for a 335 is not very well optioned...

45.000 IS pretty well optioned. FULLY loaded with everything but sat radio, the dealer gave me a quote of 48,xxx today. The car is FREAKIN AWESOME!!! HOWEVER, I think I am either going to go for a lease, or wait another year to see how the aftermarket comes along. FUN FUN FUN CAR, JUST AS FUN (or more) AS THE M3

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by ///MpoweredM

the invoice on my car is a bit more than an e46 M3. Fully Loaded except Navi and Heated seats. $53,970 out the door after Taxes. I feel bad for your friend, he got ass raped. I am on my 7th BMW in the last 3 years. I know.

must not be very well optioned

A RELATIVELY MILDLY OPTIONED 06 M3 is indeed in the 60's, fully loaded vert is mid/upper 60's. I guess the dealer was off on price.

BTW, I'm not talking actual sale prices. I am talking sticker prices, which in case. I bet I could have haggled the salesman down on the 335, however, I told him my intentions and didn't want to waste time.


It's F'N HILARIOUS watching the M guys get so fired up that there is a car for 20grand LESS, that performs just as well, and has a (potentially) MUCH CHEAPER aftermarket to make it perform WAY BETTER than the m's. I can see why some of you are upset, but don't take it so personally.

[ITSTOCK]

Originally Posted by ///MpoweredM

There is noticeable Turbo Lag.

A little lag, yes. HOWEVER, the powerband feels similar to that of the M3's (in my world terms). The M's have a bit more mid range, but hardly anything that stands out. I'm sure I could post dyno graphs, which I will do later to actually incorporate FACTS in to your jibberish.

This is a First year car and it has a large amount of problems. 2 335i's in my area have Blown up under 1000 miles. My cousins 335i has blown up with 250 Miles. So i know of 3 already. My girl friends E90 325i. 3000 Miles engine blown. << I know its not the same engine. My e90 330 massive electrical issues with 30K miles. Dont buy a first year car.

I agree about the first year car thing, however, I'd like to see proof that all of these cars that you personally know are "blowing up".

The power band with an S54 engine is a bit better, i dont need to go over 3-4K and it gets up and goes. A little less annoying with the N/a than dealing with the 1-2.5K lag in the 335.

A BIT BETTER. Hardly much of a difference. I agree it's a BIT BETTER, but nothing that would bother me.

So back to the point. The 335i turbo engine is tuned to the max. Do you think BMW would build a car that with a few mods you are getting More HP. This puts the new M3 sales in jeopardy.

The old M3's are outdated. Sorry, it's just how it happened. The new M3 will be MUCH BETTER and superior though if it makes you feel better. As to "tuned to the max", proof???? I highly doubt you could present that.

Since now the smart car shopper can pick up a well optioned 335i coupe for under 43K. the new M3 will have a base price of 52,900.00 Plus Options you will be over 60K. Its common sense. Just wait and see how many people will have problems when they change something and blow up their 335's.

uhhhhhh, HATER

and your wrong on modding BMW's its expensive as hell to mod any BMW. you can supercharge an M3 and beat on 996 turbos all day long.

Most ANYTHING that comes stock with a poweradder is going to be cheaper to mod. You DID just mention having to buy a blower for the M3, RIGHT????

If i were buying a car Greg, I wouldnt buy from you. Learn your ****. How long have you been selling BMW's?

Wow, and you seem real knowledgeable

ALL I KNOW is that I sure am glad that there are plenty of M owners to make up for your shortcomings.