Intelligent political discussion on this forum...

[04PAcruz'n]

Originally Posted by BradC

No doubt.


Good point, but a lot of the people that are "too stupid"/ignorant/whatever you want to call it are also too poor to raise a child properly. This kid will either end up falling into the same cycle of ignorance or be supported by my tax dollars. I don't want either of those happening.

Individual Accountabilty!!!! and unfortunately (as you point out)there are those that might not have the means (financially, education) to be HELD individually accountable..........there lies the bigger problem.

[BradC]

Originally Posted by Crzyguy972

I personally beive they should get rid of welfare, if your paying someone each month because they can't find a job and they have kids, what kind of system is that?

What about welfare because someone cannot get a well enough paying job to support their family? I agree that the system is flawed and abused, people who pop kids out for more checks should be sterilized, but there needs to be something for the honest people that need help. What about people who have a family, house, car, etc then their job goes to Asia? I know a lot of people that have had that happen, and their next job pays a fraction of their normal income. They will get the unemployment until then land a job yes, but when the new job pays poorly (and with our economy this seems to be the way of the future )...something should be in place to fill that void. I am not saying a never-ending pot...welfare should be a short-term program that you only get until you are stabalized...a few months or so..something though.

[BradC]

Originally Posted by 04PAcruz'n

Individual Accountabilty!!!! and unfortunately (as you point out)there are those that might not have the means (financially, education) to be HELD individually accountable..........there lies the bigger problem.

Agreed. But I don't think that those in the situation because of irresponsibility should be helped. There is where the IA should come in.

[MPowerKai]

I am pro-choice under most circumstances. It would be wrong if you where expecting in 2 weeks and all of a sudden decide you don't want it anymore, and get an abortion.

[04PAcruz'n]

Originally Posted by Crzyguy972

I personally beive they should get rid of welfare, if your paying someone each month because they can't find a job and they have kids, what kind of system is that? They will get a job as soon as the gov't checks stop coming. Social security no, if you can work until you are 65 then you deserve to get your tax dollars back. Unemployement not at all, unployement is perfect system. You can't collect if you are fired only if your employer is oging out of business or another way that you didn't cause it. So its paychecks during the down time before you get another job.

x2!! welfare should be gone. the other two support people WHO work!!!

[Crzyguy972]

Originally Posted by BradC

What about welfare because someone cannot get a well enough paying job to support their family? should be in place to fill that void. I am not saying a never-ending pot...welfare should be a short-term program that you only get until you are stabalized...a few months or so..something though.

And that is exactly what the program was DESIGNED for. but thats not how it is. I no someone that was on welfare for three years and guess when she got a job. the next week the paychecks stop. i have no problem helping people out thats why i donate to charity's when i can. its just the majority of people in america abuse things.

[BradC]

Originally Posted by Crzyguy972

And that is exactly what the program was DESIGNED for. but thats not how it is. I no someone that was on welfare for three years and guess when she got a job. the next week the paychecks stop. i have no problem helping people out thats why i donate to charity's when i can. its just the majority of people in america abuse things.

completely.

Its sad that people are so lazy they feel the need to take advantage of every hand out possible.

I guess its instinct though, do the least amount of work to survive. I mean, would a bear hunt or take free food you put out?

I don't know if there is much you can do about it, other then limit the amount of time one can abuse it.

[Snoozie]

What people, women I should say, need to know is that there are plenty of options to receive birth control. I myself do not have health coverage, but I use birth control. If a woman's excuse is "it's too much of a hassle to take the pill every day," and thats why they get pregnant and can't handle it, then there are other options, like the "ring" or the shots that you can get. That is just ignorance to me.

[S4toSTI]

Originally Posted by HatchSurfer3

why the hell would u call people who have a different opinion then u dumb. You said u wanted to keep it intellectual and then u go and do that. Brilliant....

I am pro life and i will explain why after i have gotten some sleep

I think you will understand why when you see my response to your arguement.

[markley02]

What if you for some odd reason did get pregnant when you were on the pill??? What if the condom broke?

[Snoozie]

If a girl gets pregnant on the pill than she wasn't taking it right, which again is the laziness factor. If the condom breaks then i applaud you for taking the small step toward ensuring safe sex, but you are still faced with the question of having an abortion or not.

[R33P3R007]

You can still get pregnant on the pill, even if your taking it correctly. Thats why the pill and condoms are the way to go.

[S4toSTI]

Susie thanks for chimming in here. So most people here are pro choice, so is abortion a sin? When someone has an abortion are they killing a baby(a life)?

[R33P3R007]

i think that all depends on how pregnent the woman is. I personally don't think an egg and some sperm is murder. but when the fetus is developed then abortion should not be an option, only adoption.

[BradC]

Originally Posted by R33P3R007

i think that all depends on how pregnent the woman is. I personally don't think an egg and some sperm is murder. but when the fetus is developed then abortion should not be an option, only adoption.

but how do you define "developed"?

[BradC]

Originally Posted by markley02

What if you for some odd reason did get pregnant when you were on the pill??? What if the condom broke?

Then you have bad luck. That is why the prudent thing to do is expect to have kids if you have sex. As much as that sucks, its part of the responsibility of being sexually active.

[S4toSTI]

Originally Posted by R33P3R007

i think that all depends on how pregnent the woman is. I personally don't think an egg and some sperm is murder. but when the fetus is developed then abortion should not be an option, only adoption.

Developed is a scary word... I would like to hear your reasoning behind it.

[Snoozie]

They will only abort under 3 months, unless it is a special circumstance. Anything after that they consider "taking a life."

[dolphinS4]

Just out of curiosity, how many pro-choice people here have children?

[Snoozie]

Funny you say that. I was just gonna say that if I did already have kids then I might be singing a different tune, but at this point in my life that is what my decision would be. But if I already had a kid and was pregnant with a second but was not financially sound to take care of another than I would still have the same standpoint.