This thread is about kids today, politics and the future of the country, come on in!

[9 Ball]

Yes, however, I believe most men are guilty of fantasizing about just how delicious that booty really is. lol

[9 Ball]

Originally Posted by alachua

Is the US school system broken beyond repair, or will the trend of feelings over facts eventually reverse itself so that those who fail are held accountable opposed to being given a hug and a pat on the ass?

Will the outsourcing of jobs that require less education, coupled with continued outsourcing within the tech industry, eventully lead to an unavoidable period of overwhelmingly high unemployment?

We’re the most technological society on the planet, however, I fear our educational system isn’t preparing our younger peers for an ever more problematic future. There is enough blame to go around I’ll admit, (parents need to take more responsibility of what their kids read/watch on TV, etc) however, there are other nations around the world that invest in their future by investing in their educational system. Are we the dumbest kids on the planet? I don’t know, but I’m a little discouraged at what I see when I go about my day. Money has become the ticket to higher education – just ask how much your friends are racking up in student loans. This means fewer and fewer youth will be educated in the future. Keep in mind, the cost of living is going up and more education is needed to land a higher paying job. Will things change? I’m not sure, but I think things will get worse before they get better. (Hopefully I’ll be proven wrong.)

Coincidentally, I was reading an article in Vanity Fair on Dubai in the United Arab Emirates, and they are developing an “Educational Ecological System.” Just the fact that someone would put the word “Education” and “Ecological” in the same sentence is bold. And they’re allocating 33% of their budget to education versus 3% of our budget in the U.S. It really makes you wonder… are we gonna be outsourcing to them, too?

Cliff- Grab a beer after work and cheer up. Don’t let it get to you, man.

[Crzyguy972]

^but really why do you need college. Graduating with a degree today is not the same as decades ago. PEople today are graduating college and working at min wage jobs. If you after high school learn your specialty craft isn't htat as good as college.

[Intercooled T]

Well, your post contained too many topics to answer quite frankly, but I'll give you this...when you have a new form of language that takes precedence in a technological society, it is bound to push other forms of communications to a lower level.

[Crzyguy972]

Originally Posted by Intercooled T

when you have a new form of language that takes precedence in a technological society, it is bound to push other forms of communications to a lower level.

i disagree, i dont believe that our language has been taken to a "lower level". If you want to someone online, that your laughing would you neccesarily (sp?) say Im am currently laughing at what you just said. No, thats redicoulous you can say lol. It's widely understood to mean the same thing. So we didnt take our language to a "lower level" we added synonyms to our language. Theres nothing wrong with our language if we add synonyms thats are widely understood and accepted.

[wgknestrick]

We are screwed as a country in the next 50yrs.

Kids are as stupid as ever mostly from their parents both working and not employing any form of discipline. So not only do they spend little time with their kids, but the that time isn't helping them either. Hell, we don't even discipline our criminals rather less our children. This can be seen in any restuarant or mall with kids walking around unattended, standing up in booths, etc. Kids just cry until they get what they want now. If I cried when I was young, I "got something to cry about".

Lack of discipline stems from laziness, our country's no#1 problem.

The welfare system is also destroying this country. I still don't know why the government feels they should give things away. It makes no sense. Nothing is ever free, but our government runs a country around this principle. Giving grants away, tax cuts, etc. Is this country really about equality or not?

If we actually made all the people on welfare work for their money, there would be much less time for them to commit crimes, murder, reproduce, get fatter, etc. We are the only country that has fat, poor people. This way, all the other people that don't have jobs, or work in the welfare system are most likely getting their money illegally.

[9 Ball]

Originally Posted by Crzyguy972

^but really why do you need college. Graduating with a degree today is not the same as decades ago. PEople today are graduating college and working at min wage jobs. If you after high school learn your specialty craft isn't htat as good as college.

Point taken, but remember… Having a craft is great, but in our society if you have a degree, you can up your chances of success. It's all in the dice. Many more doors are open to you if you have that piece of paper. You can be successful without further schooling, however, I would get as many certificates as I can to improve your chances. Many of my friends’ that didn’t further their education 10 years ago are having a difficult time these days. Keep in mind, we also need our youth to be educated across the board, not just in a particular craft. Being a doctor, lawyer, brain surgeon, engineer, physicist, etc, requires continuing education. I don’t want to have to "outsource my kids" to India just for a medical check-up in the future.

But even before you get to college, many public schools in America aren’t making the grade. I was referring to our entire educational system (not just college.)

[wgknestrick]

Originally Posted by 9 Ball

Point taken, but remember… Having a craft is great, but in our society if you have a degree, you can up your chances of success. It's all in the dice. Many more doors are open to you if you have that piece of paper. You can be successful without further schooling, however, I would get as many certificates as I can to improve your chances. Many of my friends’ that didn’t further their education 10 years ago are having a difficult time these days. Keep in mind, we also need our youth to be educated across the board, not just in a particular craft. Being a doctor, lawyer, brain surgeon, engineer, physicist, etc, requires continuing education. I don’t want to have to "outsource my kids" to India just for a medical check-up in the future.

But even before you get to college, many public schools in America aren’t making the grade. I was referring to our entire educational system (not just college.)

Colleges aren't making the grade either now. They are nothing more than money hungry companies trying to maximize profits. Hardly any professors can A) speak english or B) make it in the real world.

This "you are nothing without a degree" mentality is destroying our country. Not everyone SHOULD go to college. They just shouldn't be smart enough for it. Instead, we've dumbed down our colleges so EVERYONE can attend, then on top of that hand out "A"s just for taking tests. When my X girlfriend (a moron) graguated with a 3.95 GPA, it just prooves my point. Vocational school is good for certain people.

Kids also need to go to college for a REASON. All of these BS (fun) majors should be eliminated and students should have to declare a major upon enrollment. These worthless majors exist just because there are morons who enroll in them. 4yrs later they are waiting tables. If you don't know why you are there in the first place, who does?

[Intercooled T]

i disagree, i dont believe that our language has been taken to a "lower level". If you want to someone online, that your laughing would you neccesarily (sp?) say Im am currently laughing at what you just said. No, thats redicoulous you can say lol. It's widely understood to mean the same thing. So we didnt take our language to a "lower level" we added synonyms to our language. Theres nothing wrong with our language if we add synonyms thats are widely understood and accepted.

You didn't understand what I meant. I am specifically talking about how there is less-formal communication online than that occuring in 'spoken word'. That said, computer lingo can take away from children's spoken word vocabulary. 'LOL' for example is not a synonym in the english language.

[Intercooled T]

Graduating with a degree today is not the same as decades ago. PEople today are graduating college and working at min wage jobs

I think that's an absurd statement. College degrees do not guarantee a well-off job, but they can only help. It helped me and many of my friends. There are too many factors that go into why people graduate college and work minimum wage jobs, like EXPERIENCE in a field of work, TRANSCRIPTS, and WHO YOU KNOW. I also know a lot of people who have degrees and simply decided they do not like what they are doing and go off in other directions.

[james_ls]

I don't think he is talking SPECIFICALLY about spelling or what not...but it's the "internet slangs," and lack of punctuation that is thrown about.

The mad tyte jdm dorifto axtionz yo....they get old...

[Intercooled T]

exactly. and when people talk like this 24/7 online, it affects their vocab, personality and candor.

[Crzyguy972]

[QUOTE=wgknestrick

Kids are as stupid as ever mostly from their parents both working and not employing any form of discipline. So not only do they spend little time with their kids, but the that time isn't helping them either. Hell, we don't even discipline our criminals rather less our children. This can be seen in any restuarant or mall with kids walking around unattended, standing up in booths, etc. Kids just cry until they get what they want now. If I cried when I was young, I "got something to cry about".
[/QUOTE]

How can you say that. Todays kids are learning things beyond levels. 50 years ago or even 20. High school curriculums werent nearly as tough. Kids can do more now of days then ever because of technology and teaching. how can you say kids are stupid when a 12thg rader today is capable and can do physics that was created by geniouses. They understnad the philosophy

[Intercooled T]

i finally agree with you lol

[240sxDann]

Originally Posted by Crzyguy972

How can you say that. Todays kids are learning things beyond levels. 50 years ago or even 20. High school curriculums werent nearly as tough. Kids can do more now of days then ever because of technology and teaching. how can you say kids are stupid when a 12thg rader today is capable and can do physics that was created by geniouses. They understnad the philosophy

Ok...you take take my opinion or leave it, I'm just giving you my personal opinion being in the educational system. I do agree with you to an extent, however I also disagree with you. The thing your missing is this: We have the OPPERTUNITY to learn these things, however, not all kids take it in at all. If a kid actually listens in class, does their work, etc etc, yea they learn that stuff, but a lot of kids could care less about learning these things. They do the bare minimum of what they have to, to pass. Then on top of that, as soon as they think they dont need to know that anymore, its gone from their brain completely. I dont think you guys understand how easy it is to get a passing grade. (at least in my school) To most kids these days, a passing grade is as good as an A to them. So like I said, just my opinion, take it or leave it.

[Crzyguy972]

Originally Posted by 240sxDann

Ok...you take take my opinion or leave it, I'm just giving you my personal opinion being in the educational system. I do agree with you to an extent, however I also disagree with you. The thing your missing is this: We have the OPPERTUNITY to learn these things, however, not all kids take it in at all. If a kid actually listens in class, does their work, etc etc, yea they learn that stuff, but a lot of kids could care less about learning these things. They do the bare minimum of what they have to, to pass. Then on top of that, as soon as they think they dont need to know that anymore, its gone from their brain completely. I dont think you guys understand how easy it is to get a passing grade. (at least in my school) To most kids these days, a passing grade is as good as an A to them. So like I said, just my opinion, take it or leave it.

well then that is not society's fault or their parents its the childs. A child can only make themselves do the best they can. You cannot force a child to get straight As if they do not care enough. If everyone is given an equal oppurtunity to learn then that is the perfect society. Just because one does not care enough is not the parents fault

[240sxDann]

Originally Posted by Crzyguy972

well then that is not society's fault or their parents its the childs. A child can only make themselves do the best they can. You cannot force a child to get straight As if they do not care enough. If everyone is given an equal oppurtunity to learn then that is the perfect society. Just because one does not care enough is not the parents fault

Yea well where does a child get its personality from? IMO, mainly its parents while growing up. If you raise a child, let them do whatever they want, give them what they want, etc etc, they're GOING TO BE LAZY! Where as if you raise a child with some discipline, rules, and you make them work for what they want, that kids probably gonna have more work ethic, and not be as lazy.

[Crzyguy972]

Originally Posted by 240sxDann

Yea well where does a child get its personality from? IMO, mainly its parents while growing up. If you raise a child, let them do whatever they want, give them what they want, etc etc, they're GOING TO BE LAZY! Where as if you raise a child with some discipline, rules, and you make them work for what they want, that kids probably gonna have more work ethic, and not be as lazy.

Just as an example and i know im not alone. I began working at the age of 14 dishwashing. the job sucked the pay was worse but hey i got the satisfaction of making and having extra money. This job was all of my idea my parents did not force or even mention of me working yet but i had hte motivation. I know most kids aren't like me but how can a parent force a child to work and do a good job. No one does a good job when there forced and dont want to. It comes from inner motivation that cannot be tuaght. NO parent is going to raise a child and let them go by without rules thats redicoulous.

[240sxDann]

Originally Posted by Crzyguy972

Just as an example and i know im not alone. I began working at the age of 14 dishwashing. the job sucked the pay was worse but hey i got the satisfaction of making and having extra money. This job was all of my idea my parents did not force or even mention of me working yet but i had hte motivation. I know most kids aren't like me but how can a parent force a child to work and do a good job. No one does a good job when there forced and dont want to. It comes from inner motivation that cannot be tuaght. NO parent is going to raise a child and let them go by without rules thats redicoulous.

I'm not gonna go off calling you stupid or anything like that, and I mean this with no disrespect, but you obviously dont know what your talking about. There are way TOO MANY parents that do exactly that. They let their kids do whatever they want pretty much. Its sad really. I'll be honest, when I was growing up, I rarely was ever told not to do this or that, I was never grounded, but I firmly believe its because I was raised good from the start. I'm not talking about telling a kid to get a job when they're 14-15, etc years old. I'm sayin if you raise a kid from when they're still very young with good ethics, they'll usually grow up a better person. Give a kid some chores, discipline them when they're doing something wrong, teach them they can't have everything handed to them. Theres too many kids that just expect everything handed to them these days.

[Crzyguy972]

Originally Posted by 240sxDann

I'm not gonna go off calling you stupid or anything like that, and I mean this with no disrespect, but you obviously dont know what your talking about. There are way TOO MANY parents that do exactly that. They let their kids do whatever they want pretty much. Its sad really. I'll be honest, when I was growing up, I rarely was ever told not to do this or that, I was never grounded, but I firmly believe its because I was raised good from the start. I'm not talking about telling a kid to get a job when they're 14-15, etc years old. I'm sayin if you raise a kid from when they're still very young with good ethics, they'll usually grow up a better person. Give a kid some chores, discipline them when they're doing something wrong, teach them they can't have everything handed to them. Theres too many kids that just expect everything handed to them these days.

i understand your part with no disrepect were in an disagreement not personally attacking back to the topic, how can you say a lot of parents don't raise their child from good starts. Each parent raises a child differently and expects different things out of htem. Not every child is born exactly the same. maybe their child can only get Cs in school and their trying their best. Does that mean their hcild is lazy and raised awfully no. It just means that kids have different potentials. I'm postive every child has been grounded or punished in some sort, but every parent punishes differently. Some believe in hitting and others in taking away. So if one parent doesn't hit thheir hcild does that mean their bad parents no. It seems as if your classifying everybody to do the same thing and if their not doing it that way their not raising their hcild the proper way.