ABS vs no ABS. Opinions?

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by WolfsFang

100% sure if you're on ice it well go of no matter how hard you hit the breaks.

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No ****, ABS kicks in when you don't have traction.

[rocknrace03]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

If the ABS didn't kick in you probally would of locked your wheels and slid through the turn anyway. Also, how old was the car when that happened? ABS/computers have gotten much better since the early 90s.

it was 1993 nissan, apparently nissans first year of abs brakes, so ill let it slide

[BigWhiteTodd]

I dont mind abs have cars with and without, my truck I just got rid of had the worst abs system ever made haha.

[bordin34]

Go to page 1009 the 3rd one down, it confirms what I said about the berm of snow in front of your tires with no abs.
http://www.accidentreconstruction.co...ynamicsABS.pdf
" The dependence of friction coefficient upon slip is very different from that of figure 1 for deformable surfaces. It is
thought that the poor ABS performance is because wheels that are sliding cause a ‘dam’ of gravel/ wet snow to build
up in front of the wheels, thus aiding braking. ABS is designed to prevent sliding "
Also from car and driver
" On any deformable surface-gravel, snow, sand-the best way to stop a vehicle is to lock up the wheels, a tactic that will always outperform the pulsing of anti-lock brakes. Doing so, however, eliminates the ability to steer while braking, which is not so good if there's an obstacle looming ahead."
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...nd-sand-page-2

[JankyS13]

faggle thread is faggle.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by bordin34

Go to page 1009 the 3rd one down, it confirms what I said about the berm of snow in front of your tires with no abs.
http://www.accidentreconstruction.co...ynamicsABS.pdf
" The dependence of friction coefficient upon slip is very different from that of figure 1 for deformable surfaces. It is
thought that the poor ABS performance is because wheels that are sliding cause a ‘dam’ of gravel/ wet snow to build
up in front of the wheels, thus aiding braking. ABS is designed to prevent sliding "
Also from car and driver
" On any deformable surface-gravel, snow, sand-the best way to stop a vehicle is to lock up the wheels, a tactic that will always outperform the pulsing of anti-lock brakes. Doing so, however, eliminates the ability to steer while braking, which is not so good if there's an obstacle looming ahead."
http://www.caranddriver.com/features...nd-sand-page-2

Yes, non-ABS can stop faster in gravel and snow... assuming you are the best driver in the world and never make a mistake. ABS is there to save your ass if you panic or screw up. It is NOT a bad thing.

Also, you shoudn't be driving all that fast through snow and gravel anyway so the stopping distance between non-ABS and ABS probally isn't as big a factor as having control of your ABS equiped car at all times.

Chances are if you lock your brakes, there is something in front of you. I would rather slow down slightly slower and keep control of my car.

There are more pros to ABS then cons.

[marshallpre1]

TST is ****ing hilarious. I gotta find that thread where this one kid was saying he can text and drive better than anyone else just straight driving...

You guys don't want ABS because.... RACECAR


failol

[90blacktsiawd]

I've had car with and without. For the most part it's never given me much of a problem. My only car without abs i owned for 5 years and i only managed to lock the wheels up once during hard braking due to some prick cutting in front of me and jumping on the brakes at highway speeds.

[oneday]

Originally Posted by marshallpre1

You guys don't want ABS because.... NEVERDRIVENARACECAR

ftfy.

Odds are that the only people in this thread that have ever taken a performance driving school, turned a lap on a race track, or done any competitive driving are the people that are posting that ABS is beneficial.

[Chris B.]

Originally Posted by Honduh

I'm not a huge fan of abs. Its ok in the snow but thats about it. I was dating a girl years ago that got into an accident because abs kicked in and she didn't know what was going on when the pedal started going crazy. She let off the brakes and hit someone.

So basically she got into an accident because she was completely clueless about using her car. So many people treat their cars as appliances, just like toasters, microwaves, or coffee makers, that it makes me wonder how cars last more than 3 years.

[Chris B.]

Originally Posted by bordin34

It does actually help to a point. Also when driving on snow if one side of the car is on ice and one on pavement the system comes on when it shouldn't.

So basically 0.1% of driving is in situations where ABS might be a disadvantage and in those situations people should drive slower anyway. This is why people don't like ABS?

[AWD GS]

Originally Posted by oneday

ftfy.

Odds are that the only people in this thread that have ever taken a performance driving school, turned a lap on a race track, or done any competitive driving are the people that are posting that ABS is beneficial.

i never have and id rather have ABS over non-ABS. people always try to base their opinion off of one situation.

[Chris B.]

With the abilities of the average driver on the road and how distracted they are with cell phones, playing with the radio/iPod, eating, and yelling at their kids while driving, I'd love to see 4 wheels ABS, stability control, and a dynamic suspension system all tied together on every production street vehicle. Of course, I'd also like the ability to turn those systems off or reduce their intervention on cars when needed, such as at the track.

My father had a Volvo S60R and with Volvo being safety Nazis, to turn off those systems completely, you had to go through a 10 step procedure so it wasn't accidental. I wouldn't want the procedure to be that difficult, but I wouldn't want it turned off with a single button press either.

[bordin34]

I'm not saying its bad I am saying I dislike it in the snow.

[The Alchemist]

Originally Posted by russiankid

If you pull the fuse the ABS does not function anymore, thus it won't operate under hard braking which makes it the same as not having ABS.


I do not like ABS, I started driving without ABS and have had 4 vehicles in the past 6 years, 2 without ABS and 2 with, I prefer no ABS. I now have a vehicle with ABS but its a tank so it may help one day.

I understand were you are coming from. But my theory on that, is that there is more fluid and space, that is to be put under pressure with the same amount of force from the booster.

Now I run a Honda, it may be different for you, but I had a big ABS unit in the engine bay. I pulled that out, and replaced it, and took a good few feet off the total length of the brake lines, and replaced it with a 40/40 prop valve.

It cut down on total space, and amount of fluid that the brake booster uses. I got better response from the brake pedal, and better stopping time.

So the theory I have is, less space/volume=better braking.

[The Alchemist]

Originally Posted by Spawne32

90% of the people who yank the ABS from their cars and try to justify it as some sort of performance modification are either A) ricers or B) absolute retards. Every single production car that a person drives on the street performs better in braking with ABS, everytime, consistently. We dont drive supercars, with 100,000 dollar braking systems, and we arent all proffesional racecar drivers driving formula 1 cars on the highway. Pulling your ABS from your honda civic hatch doesnt improve braking performance, it makes you a danger to the rest of society when you try to stop in the rain because you drive like an asshole and crash into 5 cars in front of you.

This is just a nasty and negative comment, that adds nothing of the sort to this conversation. Throwing random statistics from your head, is not actually proving anything.

I pulled mine as a mass overhaul on my car one day. By mass over haul I mean I took a 3000 pound prelude and turned it into 2300 lbs. But I like the way the brakes handle better, not to mention I later upgraded the braking system to 2 pot calipers.

Anyone who drives like an ass in the rain, snow, sleet, or any ****ty weather deserves what they get, abs or not, if you crash car because you decided to pull your ebrake up in the snow, or you decided it was a good idea to do 60 in a 25 in rush hour traffic during a rain storm, you deserve to crash your car, and probably should be riding a 10 speed bike anyway.

[dugganzx3]

ABS > no ABS. Removing ABS is like removing the front crash bar out of your car. Chances are you won't need it, but when you do, your boned. If its a track only car then maybe no ABS is better, but I hated having no ABS in my Focus, and I knew how to drive, but its way easier to panic and lock up the wheels than it is to let off slightly to disengage ABS.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by The Alchemist

This is just a nasty and negative comment, that adds nothing of the sort to this conversation. Throwing random statistics from your head, is not actually proving anything.

I pulled mine as a mass overhaul on my car one day. By mass over haul I mean I took a 3000 pound prelude and turned it into 2300 lbs. But I like the way the brakes handle better, not to mention I later upgraded the braking system to 2 pot calipers.

Anyone who drives like an ass in the rain, snow, sleet, or any ****ty weather deserves what they get, abs or not, if you crash car because you decided to pull your ebrake up in the snow, or you decided it was a good idea to do 60 in a 25 in rush hour traffic during a rain storm, you deserve to crash your car, and probably should be riding a 10 speed bike anyway.

Actually, you proved his point.

[davin]

I personally like the analog feel of a vehicle.

I have deleted my power steering, AC, heater, double throttle and never came with anything in the form of traction control. A lot of my daily drivers in the day never had ABS and braking felt more solid. I like to be able to feel the road as the car sees it and those are my intentions for removing it.

Furthermore, I am German, so we find a lot of beauty in the relationship between man and machine :-P

[c7scayman]

Originally Posted by Chris B.

So basically 0.1% of driving is in situations where ABS might be a disadvantage and in those situations people should drive slower anyway. This is why people don't like ABS?

I know ABS is far superior. But as I stated in the starter post of this thread. I don't like the feel of it. How the pedal brake pedal pushes back at you. It does not feel like you are in control of the car.

When ABS kicks in, it knocks me out of focus on driving. ABS is like you are slowing down at 5 feet per sec, 2 feet per sec, 3 feet per sec, 4 feet per sec. Every split second, the rate of deceleration changes completely. I cannot predict the stopping distance very well. I don't know if I should steer out of the way because I don't know if it will stop in time or not.

With no ABS, it is more uniform. You slow down at almost the same rate of deceleration. That is what it feels like to me. That way, it helps me determine if I will make it staying straight, or if I should steer out of the way to avoid the accident.

I know ABS is much safer and better in every situation, I just don't like how it feels.