2012 Camaro ZL1

[Sublime1304]

The camaros definitely aren't selling well. Every time I pass a chevy dealer, there are a ton of camaros just sitting there.

[SleeperGoat]

Originally Posted by Sublime1304

The camaros definitely aren't selling well. Every time I pass a chevy dealer, there are a ton of camaros just sitting there.

Yup the dealership in towns whole front lot is camaros I haven't seen one move yet.

[Sublime1304]

Seems like mustangs are the best sellers, followed by the challengers, then the chargers, and lastly camaros. Talking in terms of modern muscle cars in production. Correct me if I'm missing a car

[b0bbY]

Originally Posted by SleeperGoat

Idk cause when they announced the CTS-V they said they wanted to make the Z-28 or now the ZL1 competivetly priced to compete an 63k is the CTS-V. The sales on the 5th gens are rough already if they were smart they'd make it priced lower to move with the normal SS being an over weight whale.

I wouldn't be surprised if it was loaded at well over $50k.....and the tags I've seen on CTS-V's is north of $70k.....

[TalonTsi97]

I def see it being in the $50's especially considering what i saw SS prices at a little while back. Not sure what SS's are currently going for but usually a manufacture doesn't raise the price only a "few" grand after adding so much to a car.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Yeah there is little hope this ZL1 will be in the 40's. Maybe 49k if that.

I agree though, if it was priced at say 40-43k they can move them. However i don't see them giving away a CTS-V sourced engine Camaro for anything less than about 50k unfortunately.

PS If I were in the market for a Muscle Car my choice would be the 2011+ Mustang 5.0. As much as I like the LS engines, the Mustang simply out-performs and outclasses the competition vs the Camaro, Charger, and Challenger. PS I drive the Charger, Challenger, and 300 SRT8s at the SRT8 Track Experience last summer. I was not the least bit impressed with ANY of them.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Originally Posted by TalonTsi97

I def see it being in the $50's especially considering what i saw SS prices at a little while back. Not sure what SS's are currently going for but usually a manufacture doesn't raise the price only a "few" grand after adding so much to a car.

Plus you know, close to launch there will be absurd dealer mark-up. I wouldn't be surprised to see the first few in the 60's . Dealers/Salesmen are scum of the earth.

[Bubba Ho-Tep]

Originally Posted by b0bbY

I wouldn't be surprised if it was loaded at well over $50k.....and the tags I've seen on CTS-V's is north of $70k.....

PS COMPLETELY off topic but I was so impressed with the Cooper Countryman at the auto show! PPS Coopers in white are the best!

[TalonTsi97]

Originally Posted by Bubba Ho-Tep

Plus you know, close to launch there will be absurd dealer mark-up. I wouldn't be surprised to see the first few in the 60's . Dealers/Salesmen are scum of the earth.

Trust me i know all about that....allll about that. Problem is stupid people pay up then a few months later there sitting on lots. Then the next year they revise and fix little issues or add things and you'd rather have that one then the one you got. lol

[BigWhiteTodd]

I have drove the big three muscle cars loved them all I would say mustang was the best of them. I love camaros but the new one is just not what the old ones were, as for price I'm going to say its going to be high 40's low 50's. Maybe chevy will take a step back and take some notes from ford as bad as that might sound haha.

[SleeperGoat]

Originally Posted by Bubba Ho-Tep

PS If I were in the market for a Muscle Car my choice would be the 2011+ Mustang 5.0

This is why they need to price it right or its gonna be the end of the 5th Gen there's to much bang for the buck in the 2011 GT's. Where the new camaro's are slow heavy turds in desperate need of a diet an some suspension. They might look flashy but it doesnt help when GM is trying to make a killing off them an then expect someone to pay out even more for the fast one which is all they wanted in the first place.

[b0bbY]

Originally Posted by Bubba Ho-Tep

PS COMPLETELY off topic but I was so impressed with the Cooper Countryman at the auto show! PPS Coopers in white are the best!

haha thanks man....actually mine is a one off...they dont come in white....they come in off white aka pepper white....mine was done special im hoping they make a rally version of the countryman like what subie did with the STi....since mini is back in WRC again. surprise they didnt play that up at the auto show....lame. ive seen the rally car online....looks sick!

http://chrisescars.com/mini-countryman-rally-car-2/ here is the imiages......

[SpEcRv9]

Originally Posted by SleeperGoat

The sales on the 5th gens are rough.

so that must be why they outsold mustangs last year.....

I personally think the camaro is awful, and people who drive them are usually menaces to society since being anywhere in that car is a blind spot...a 50k camaro is no better.

that's m3 prices almost, and most likely wont be m3 performance...when the 2011 5.0 mustang provides m3 performance for about 20k less.

[pharnhyte]

Great, now I have to watch out for GT500's, and this Camaro if it comes out in the next few months until I go single

I am guessing this car will come in very close to 4000 lbs? it should run mid to low 12's and trap around 115-119 if I had to guess.

If history is any indicator, following in the footsteps of the supercharged mustangs, these forced induction cars past the initial price point will see very good hp gains compared to their naturally aspirated variants.

[SleeperGoat]

Originally Posted by pharnhyte

Great, now I have to watch out for GT500's, and this Camaro if it comes out in the next few months until I go single

I am guessing this car will come in very close to 4000 lbs? it should run mid to low 12's and trap around 115-119 if I had to guess.

If history is any indicator, following in the footsteps of the supercharged mustangs, these forced induction cars past the initial price point will see very good hp gains compared to their naturally aspirated variants.

I'm gonna guess faster then that even that boaty SS now runs high to mid 12s with the right driver.

Spec maybe the 6cyl ones I know dealers were hurting on the V8s sales an with over 550hp they probably come with I doubt a M3 is gonna be hangin with one. If there like the CTS-v an ZR1 it won't take much at all to crank out huge power gains.

[pharnhyte]

Originally Posted by SleeperGoat

I'm gonna guess faster then that even that boaty SS now runs high to mid 12s with the right driver.

Spec maybe the 6cyl ones I know dealers were hurting on the V8s sales an with over 550hp they probably come with I doubt a M3 is gonna be hangin with one. If there like the CTS-v an ZR1 it won't take much at all to crank out huge power gains.

With a drag radial, this car and the GT500 would be solid 11 second cars. However magazines test them with what they are equipped from the factory, so I am sticking with tire spin, a normal driver and 12's.

Agreed on the huge HP gains.

[SovXietday]

Originally Posted by SpEcRv9

I personally think the camaro is awful, and people who drive them are usually menaces to society since being anywhere in that car is a blind spot...a 50k camaro is no better.

x2, can't see a damn thing out of them.

[fballman1987]

Originally Posted by doug

yeah.. what happened to the Z/28?

z28 is still coming...

John Fitz - Camaro Marketing Mgr:
Ironhead... We continue to work on evolving Camaro. Regarding Z28, all I can say is stay tuned...

[JERRYM1997]

Originally Posted by Sublime1304

The camaros definitely aren't selling well. Every time I pass a chevy dealer, there are a ton of camaros just sitting there.

Originally Posted by SleeperGoat

Yup the dealership in towns whole front lot is camaros I haven't seen one move yet.

The dealer I was at said that they are having a hard time because of the weather but during the summer and fall it was like a revolving door with camaros.

Originally Posted by SpEcRv9

so that must be why they outsold mustangs last year.....

I personally think the camaro is awful, and people who drive them are usually menaces to society since being anywhere in that car is a blind spot...a 50k camaro is no better.

that's m3 prices almost, and most likely wont be m3 performance...when the 2011 5.0 mustang provides m3 performance for about 20k less.

A relative of mine has one and I get to drive it all the time and there is only one blind spot and thats the rear quarter window and if you turn your head you can see. And M3 and camaro and mustang are a different class of car. The M3 is a luxury performance car where the camaro is just there to perform. I personally would rather have the camaro then the M3 any day. A guy who has driven all muscle cars his whole life isn't gonna buy an M3 over a camaro and thats the type of people chevy made this car for. And in my opinion its always been the guy in the BMW that drives like a D***.

[SpEcRv9]

Originally Posted by JERRYM1997

A relative of mine has one and I get to drive it all the time and there is only one blind spot and thats the rear quarter window and if you turn your head you can see. And M3 and camaro and mustang are a different class of car. The M3 is a luxury performance car where the camaro is just there to perform. I personally would rather have the camaro then the M3 any day.

I'm not necessarily comparing the 2....just pointing out, for 50k you're gonna get sub-par performance 500+hp or not...and the fact it's gonna be a 50k CAMARO for christs sake.

A guy who has driven all muscle cars his whole life isn't gonna buy an M3 over a camaro and thats the type of people chevy made this car for. And in my opinion its always been the guy in the BMW that drives like a D***.

you're right he's not....and he'd be an idiot for not @ the same price or at least upgrading himself to a Vette...but that's right up the usual camaro owners alley in terms of IQ levels and poor life decisions anyway...