NSFW What happens when you try to opt out of a TSA full-body scan at the airport?

[Scapegoat]

Originally Posted by 3rdGenMr2Girl

if everyone refused to be submitted to invasive searches, you better believe i'd be one of them. but until then

thats the whole problem. thats why the government will succeed in this bull**** mockery of "for your safety"

[Scapegoat]

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http://www.kmov.com/news/mobile/Woma...109114934.html

[rodder]

Originally Posted by 3rdGenMr2Girl

^ but the point is, unless every person who flies revolts, nothing will change.

or if people just start refusing to fly and travel by other means... it's already happening. Whether you choose to do something about it or just bend over and take it is the question. If everybody just bends over and takes it, then you're absolutely right, it will never change... just like our founders realized when they finally decided enough is enough and went to war to fight for their freedom.

Of course I'm not saying we should start a revolution over TSA screenings, just saying there has to be a line drawn somewhere and the farther we let them push the line the more difficult it will be to reign them back in when they finally cross it.

I'd rather fight govt abuses like this with civil disobedience just like this guy did than let it get to the point where the only recourse is an actual armed rebellion.

[Scapegoat]

Originally Posted by rodder

or if people just start refusing to fly and travel by other means... it's already happening. Whether you choose to do something about it or just bend over and take it is the question. If everybody just bends over and takes it, then you're absolutely right, it will never change... just like our founders realized when they finally decided enough is enough and went to war to fight for their freedom.

Of course I'm not saying we should start a revolution over TSA screenings, just saying there has to be a line drawn somewhere and the farther we let them push the line the more difficult it will be to reign them back in when they finally cross it.

I'd rather fight govt abuses like this with civil disobedience just like this guy did than let it get to the point where the only recourse is an actual armed rebellion.

i concur. i told becky we're not flying. we can drive or take the train. we're planning on hitting up the carribbean next year. i sense a nice over night train ride down to florida and a boat ride to jamaica is in our future.

the only way i'd fly now is if i had to go over seas to england

[rodder]

Originally Posted by Scapegoat

more good news thanks to reddit

http://www.kmov.com/news/mobile/Woma...109114934.html

from that article:

Anyone who sets off the metal detectors are required to go through a physical pat down, but the TSA says they use a less aggressive touch for children under 12.

Are we really so politically correct and paranoid that we are now subjecting minors to groping and pat downs by adult government agents? How is this acceptable to anyone?!?!? I'm disgusted, absolutely disgusted. At this rate it won't be long before it starts looking like post WWII East Germany around here.

[jpalamar]

If young kids are safe from agreeive pat downs, the age of sueside bombers will jus go down.

[Scapegoat]

Originally Posted by rodder

from that article:



Are we really so politically correct and paranoid that we are now subjecting minors to groping and pat downs by adult government agents? How is this acceptable to anyone?!?!? I'm disgusted, absolutely disgusted. At this rate it won't be long before it starts looking like post WWII East Germany around here.

Originally Posted by jpalamar

If young kids are safe from agreeive pat downs, the age of sueside bombers will jus go down.

terrorists have no issue using children and the mentally challenged as walking bombs.

but lets be honest here... if you've got a white family with a white child... chances are very slim that that kid is hiding a bomb.

personally, i'm not going to be ok w/ these scans till they look like this



then again... the kind of radiation being sent through my body may make me think otherwise

[Elliott18t]

Originally Posted by Scapegoat

more good news thanks to reddit

http://www.kmov.com/news/mobile/Woma...109114934.html

LOL i love reddit.


I can't believe wtf i just read in the OP. **** TSA

[PrideNas]

Most people don't realize this but the people that will get the most harm from these new scanners are the security personnel themselves.

http://grendelreport.posterous.com/r...ners-dangerous

Studies show that even small amounts of radiation exposed over a long term has adverse effects on us.

So in a few years when the employees of the TSA start developing new types of cancer (Just like the 9/11 first responders are going through now) and the government decides they won't stand behind them and make sure they are taken care of, I'm just going to sit here shaking my head at the fact that we consistently and constantly believe that our government always makes decisions for our best interests.

I have traveled to several countries outside of the United States and have been through different check points. None of them to this extent and wouldn't you know it, their lines are much faster, less intrusive and smoother to get on a plane.

I'm all for safety and I'm all for making sure we don't have another terrorist attack, but when you have to have an airport pilot arrested for refusing a full body scan (http://abcnews.go.com/US/pilot-refus...ry?id=11942279), I think we have to have some type of common sense and logic.

A Pilot has the ability to crash an entire plane at any time. Even if he/she doesn't bring anything on a plane, the pilot is the person that is in charge of the entire aircraft and has the ability at any time to take the entire plane down, hence the reason why we call them "Captain".

Why the hell do we need to worry about them bringing something illegal on a plane when they control what may or may not happen to everyone on board the plane?????

Also to those that think images won't leak out on the internet from these body scans:

http://www.ky3.com/news/nationworld/...,1551460.story

Too late.

Don't think of it on a personal scale, think of it as my wife's image, my mother's image, my daughter's image (I am speaking from a male's perspective).

I know it may not change anything, but we are slowly losing all of our rights. In a sense of false hope we think we are "winning" this war on terror, when in fact we are losing our civil rights and liberties which is probably exactly what the terrorists want and hate us for.

In a few moments, this thread will be closed and everyone that said something on here will be watched by big brother :-P.

/End Rant.

Thanks.

[upperguy]

It's a ****ty situation and both sides have their merits, but this guy was obviously cruising for drama. I mean seriously....He had his phone recording before the search even started? Then proceeds to cause a scene, yeah definitely innocent on his part, he's just another traveler looking for safe transit.

As much as I disagree with the search techniques, it's pretty clear that when you buy a ticket, you agree to their security methods! There are alternatives, yes they take considerably longer, but if you don't want it to happen...don't fly!

As far as the guy who mentioned anal probing, it's called a cavity search and has been employed for years and years by customs and so on.

[PrideNas]

I have a solution for this for myself. Make enough money where I can afford to charter a jet and say the hell with a scanner. :-).

[olmytsi]

Kinda dumb to opt out and then be willing to go through it afterward!

There was a recent incident here in Miami where an airport employee (also subject to walking through the scanner everyday when coming to work) was made fun of for having a small dick and he ended up getting into a fight after being teased by co-workers daily!

[Scapegoat]

Originally Posted by upperguy

It's a ****ty situation and both sides have their merits, but this guy was obviously cruising for drama. I mean seriously....He had his phone recording before the search even started? Then proceeds to cause a scene, yeah definitely innocent on his part, he's just another traveler looking for safe transit.

As much as I disagree with the search techniques, it's pretty clear that when you buy a ticket, you agree to their security methods! There are alternatives, yes they take considerably longer, but if you don't want it to happen...don't fly!

As far as the guy who mentioned anal probing, it's called a cavity search and has been employed for years and years by customs and so on.

cruising for it or not. i would have my cellphone video rolling too. the simple fact of this matter is that TSA is threatening to bring a civil suit along with a 10k fine against him for following one of their agents orders.

its an issue somewhat unrelated to the scanning and patdown issue, but further proves to point out how ridiculous TSA agents and management are at security checkpoints.

here's another ridiculous testament... http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/1...r-tsa-outrage/

soldier has nail clippers confiscated... allowed to board plane with handgun

i'm sorry... but this whole TSA **** reminds me of the Stanford experiment... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

[Foolinaround]

Inalienable rights my ass.
We've become the kid in 2nd grade who's parents are afraid well get beat up everyday,so they talk to the principal and it makes the situation worse.

[Elliott18t]

Originally Posted by upperguy

It's a ****ty situation and both sides have their merits, but this guy was obviously cruising for drama. I mean seriously....He had his phone recording before the search even started? Then proceeds to cause a scene, yeah definitely innocent on his part, he's just another traveler looking for safe transit.

As much as I disagree with the search techniques, it's pretty clear that when you buy a ticket, you agree to their security methods! There are alternatives, yes they take considerably longer, but if you don't want it to happen...don't fly!

As far as the guy who mentioned anal probing, it's called a cavity search and has been employed for years and years by customs and so on.

Well, if you ACTUALLY read the article ( you obviously didn't or have awful reading comprehension) he checked the airports website before he even went, its said that they do not. He saw as he was in line that they do infact have these scanners and turned on his phone most likely then. He obviously have heard of these assaults before so he turned on his phone, because he knew he would opt-out.

way to be a gov't tool/lemming.

[Elliott18t]

Originally Posted by olmytsi

Kinda dumb to opt out and then be willing to go through it afterward!

There was a recent incident here in Miami where an airport employee (also subject to walking through the scanner everyday when coming to work) was made fun of for having a small dick and he ended up getting into a fight after being teased by co-workers daily!

he only accepted to go through the metal detector. Does anyone ****ing read/listen? **** PEOPLE...

[upperguy]

Originally Posted by Elliott18t

Well, if you ACTUALLY read the article ( you obviously didn't or have awful reading comprehension) he checked the airports website before he even went, its said that they do not. He saw as he was in line that they do infact have these scanners and turned on his phone most likely then. He obviously have heard of these assaults before so he turned on his phone, because he knew he would opt-out.

way to be a gov't tool/lemming.

Maybe you should read all the information, as I've looked pretty deeply into this. Airports that do not have a full body scan are required to do the full pat down(same as if you had refused the scan).

way to be a dickbag/tool.

[rodder]

Originally Posted by upperguy

As far as the guy who mentioned anal probing, it's called a cavity search and has been employed for years and years by customs and so on.

Customs gives random anal probes to airline passengers and has been doing so for "years and years"? Must've missed that one.

We're not talking about searching people who we have probable cause to search... we're talking about searching people for doing nothing more than attempting to board a plane. There is a such thing as due process in this country and the constitution protects us from being treated like a criminal in the absence of any evidence whatsoever.

[upperguy]

Originally Posted by Scapegoat

cruising for it or not. i would have my cellphone video rolling too. the simple fact of this matter is that TSA is threatening to bring a civil suit along with a 10k fine against him for following one of their agents orders.

its an issue somewhat unrelated to the scanning and patdown issue, but further proves to point out how ridiculous TSA agents and management are at security checkpoints.

here's another ridiculous testament... http://www.redstate.com/erick/2010/1...r-tsa-outrage/

soldier has nail clippers confiscated... allowed to board plane with handgun

i'm sorry... but this whole TSA **** reminds me of the Stanford experiment... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment

Yeah, the TSA protocols are super messed up right now, I think that the regulations were poorly conceived initially and now need to be revamped to include exceptions. It's the bureaucracy that keeps lawyers/lobbyists well paid.

[upperguy]

Originally Posted by rodder

Customs gives random anal probes to airline passengers and has been doing so for "years and years"? Must've missed that one.

We're not talking about searching people who we have probable cause to search... we're talking about searching people for doing nothing more than attempting to board a plane. There is a such thing as due process in this country and the constitution protects us from being treated like a criminal in the absence of any evidence whatsoever.

I wasn't implying it should be, just that it's not a new search method. I'd never suggest or hope it got to that point of course!