views on steroids

[Fujito]

I see no difference between athletes using steroids to perform better and advance in their profession, and models, movie stars, and porn stars who undergo plastic surgery and pop pills for their dick to advance in their given professions.

It's a double standard.

[Sberk06]

thats kind of funny... kind of lol. obviously side effects effect everyone differently. I know of a few people on that don't really show any other then the occasional bitchyness (then again i haven't looked at their testicles), but at the same time i've heard many horror stories.

Everyone is going to have a different opinion on their views towards this, thats why I asked. I'm more or less just curious becuase steriod usage has always interested me. It's always good to hear other opinions on it.

[420sx]

Originally Posted by rodder

AMEN!

I'm glad there are some of us here who understand the concept of personal liberty.

The government restricting and regulating substances is nothing more than them saying "the peasants are too stupid and irresponsible to make decisions on their own, so we should make those decisions for them."

Doesn't that bother the rest of you? To be told you are too stupid to make your own decisions and that the government always knows what's best for you?

Amazing how we can clash heads in one thread and completely agree with each other in another.

[rodder]

Originally Posted by 420sx

Amazing how we can clash heads in one thread and completely agree with each other in another.

yep, that's exactly why I hate the "Rep vs Dem", "left vs right", "conservative vs liberal" labels.

There are pro-gun liberals just like there are pot-smoking conservatives (). Lumping people into a group based on one or two opinions only contributes to the "divide and conquer" mentality of our current political climate.

[igo4bmx]

Originally Posted by Fujito

I see no difference between athletes using steroids to perform better and advance in their profession, and models, movie stars, and porn stars who undergo plastic surgery and pop pills for their dick to advance in their given professions.

It's a double standard.

"cheating" is in everything

[DC2.2GSR]

Originally Posted by 420sx

The first sentence was written with Heroin in mind.. Its too strong, too addictive of a drug for someone to take responsibly without becoming addicted. Given that, however.. if you educate yourself, know the risks, and come to terms with the fact that taking this drug will likely make you a junkie... then I think a person has the right to do so. Not saying its a good decision, but its a decision that should be made by the person taking the drug. Not by the government.

I guess I did contradict myself there... Ill have to rethink my position and get back to you.

I guess I just feel that the government shouldn't have the right to tell me what I can or cant take, even if the outcome would be a disaster.

Originally Posted by rodder

it's just another case of the federal government regulating things they have no business regulating. Athletic commissions and organized professional sports leagues are of course, free to make their own rules, but according to the 10th Amendment of the Constitution the federal government has no authority to regulate steroids. (or drugs, or guns, or alcohol, or any of the other thousands of things they claim to have authority over).

You can't legislate morality, bottom line.

lol i clicked on this thread to post this exact response.

would i ever use steroids? absolutely no way in hell. do i think steroids should be 'allowed' in professional sports? ehh, not really. i think if people want to use steroids in professional sports, there should be a separate group of steroid using athletes with their own schedules... kind of like racing has different classes (i.e. power adders). that's ridiculous and would never happen so it doesn't even count lol. however, i think that steroids should be legal... the same goes for any drug. the .gov has absolutely no business sticking its nose into my business to see what i'm sticking into my veins. i'm 100 percent for personal choice and 100 percent against federal/state regulation.

[RSX Type-Slow]

Now I dont want to get into the legality of it or the ethical part of substance abuse and athletes, but I feel steroids only have a negative affect on the body.

I am by no means a doctor or scientist lol, but I cant help but think of this scenario.

Lets say someone works out 4 times a week for 5 years and over that time he knows after about 12 weeks, he starts to see results on a certain muscle. Then after the long, slow road road of constant working naturally he stumbles across steroids. He decided to start taking steroids responsibly and track his efforts and continues on working out on his usual schedule. After lets say, 6 weeks he sees major gains, the kind of gains he usually sees after 12 weeks he's pumped and now hooked on steroids. It's not so much a physical addiction but more of a mental addiction. Then after 24 weeks of steroid use and gym pounding, he notices he's getting huge. A thought comes to his mind "what if I double my steroid use?? Whats the harm? It's twice the results!". And BAM, responsible usage turns into abuse. It's human nature to want more and more (greed?) so naturally his mind will want more and more muscle which result in more and more steroid usage. After time his testies shrink and he's showing signs of roid rage. Not to mention his body is growing and changing too fast to keep up and his heart, joints, back, etc. are all having difficulty keeping up with the muscle mass.

Now this is only theoritical but I can't help but think this is how many people will end up.

[igo4bmx]

Originally Posted by RSX Type-Slow

Now I dont want to get into the legality of it or the ethical part of substance abuse and athletes, but I feel steroids only have a negative affect on the body.

I am by no means a doctor or scientist lol, but I cant help but think of this scenario.

Lets say someone works out 4 times a week for 5 years and over that time he knows after about 12 weeks, he starts to see results on a certain muscle. Then after the long, slow road road of constant working naturally he stumbles across steroids. He decided to start taking steroids responsibly and track his efforts and continues on working out on his usual schedule. After lets say, 6 weeks he sees major gains, the kind of gains he usually sees after 12 weeks he's pumped and now hooked on steroids. It's not so much a physical addiction but more of a mental addiction. Then after 24 weeks of steroid use and gym pounding, he notices he's getting huge. A thought comes to his mind "what if I double my steroid use?? Whats the harm? It's twice the results!". And BAM, responsible usage turns into abuse. It's human nature to want more and more (greed?) so naturally his mind will want more and more muscle which result in more and more steroid usage. After time his testies shrink and he's showing signs of roid rage. Not to mention his body is growing and changing too fast to keep up and his heart, joints, back, etc. are all having difficulty keeping up with the muscle mass.

Now this is only theoritical but I can't help but think this is how many people will end up.

like someone posted earlier- steroids can be used for medicinal purposes for certain health issues.

your statement could also be said by alcohol and smoking.
you can get a buzz from alcohol and drink more and more each time.

There is a list of reasons people go to the ER.
alcohol and car accidents are on top of course also vitamin c overdose, but steroids is on the low end..

[renn]

people who use steroids = insecure and overcompensating for something .. if you need to get that bulked up to get attention then you have no game at all.

as the situation said on jersey shore...big is out and lean is in. p90x + a decent diet = success.

[RSX Type-Slow]

Originally Posted by igo4bmx

like someone posted earlier- steroids can be used for medicinal purposes for certain health issues.

your statement could also be said by alcohol and smoking.
you can get a buzz from alcohol and drink more and more each time.

There is a list of reasons people go to the ER.
alcohol and car accidents are on top of course also vitamin c overdose, but steroids is on the low end..

I completely agree with what your saying. Steroids for health conditions and as a medicine is fine with me, but I feel if used recreationaly only bad things could come

[DC2.2GSR]

Originally Posted by RSX Type-Slow

I completely agree with what your saying. Steroids for health conditions and as a medicine is fine with me, but I feel if used recreationaly only bad things could come

but can you at least see my point that it's no one's business to tell you what you can and cannot put into your body? while you and i can agree that red bull and tastykakes are not the only two food groups, and are probably going to make you obese and make your heart crap out, the 'recreational' sugar rush of 4 red bulls and 10 tastykakes a day can make a person feel good in one way or another and become mentally addicting. should the government tell me that tastykakes and red bull are illegal for me to buy or consume, just because it could lead to health problems?

again, i'm not speaking in support of steroids or in support of a red bull/tastykake diet, or in support of anything, but rather entirely against government regulation. steroid use should be decriminalized simply for the fact that it is not within the government's right to regulate personal use of anything.

[james_ls]

...big arms...little wiener.

/thread.

[igo4bmx]

Originally Posted by renn

people who use steroids = insecure and overcompensating for something .. if you need to get that bulked up to get attention then you have no game at all.

as the situation said on jersey shore...big is out and lean is in. p90x + a decent diet = success.

big has always been out- ask a girl if they think jay cutler is hot. close to 300 lbs and super lean is not hot- bodybuilding is an extreme of what it can do it to and plenty of people try to achieve the size.

[RSX Type-Slow]

Originally Posted by DC2.2GSR

but can you at least see my point that it's no one's business to tell you what you can and cannot put into your body? while you and i can agree that red bull and tastykakes are not the only two food groups, and are probably going to make you obese and make your heart crap out, the 'recreational' sugar rush of 4 red bulls and 10 tastykakes a day can make a person feel good in one way or another and become mentally addicting. should the government tell me that tastykakes and red bull are illegal for me to buy or consume, just because it could lead to health problems?

again, i'm not speaking in support of steroids or in support of a red bull/tastykake diet, or in support of anything, but rather entirely against government regulation. steroid use should be decriminalized simply for the fact that it is not within the government's right to regulate personal use of anything.

As far a government regulating what i do/ put in myself I agree %100. Whose to tell me what I can or can't do to myself?

[renn]

Originally Posted by igo4bmx

big has always been out- ask a girl if they think jay cutler is hot. close to 300 lbs and super lean is not hot- bodybuilding is an extreme of what it can do it to and plenty of people try to achieve the size.

see below. people who use steroids are tools. i don't know what you're trying to say but at the end of the day the classy chicks will go home with the nice, funny guy with a toned body and not the douchebag all juiced up.

Originally Posted by james_ls

...big arms...little wiener.

/thread.

x2.

[igo4bmx]

Originally Posted by renn

see below. people who use steroids are tools. i don't know what you're trying to say but at the end of the day the classy chicks will go home with the nice, funny guy with a toned body and not the douchebag all juiced up.



x2.

I get what you're saying and I agree.
how many users do you know? I know about 5 guys and throughout my life made friends with probably a dozen plus users.
Most of the guys I know do it cuz they are self conscious about their body - very few do it "to get laid" (however i do know ONE guy who does it to get laid lol)

[rodder]

Originally Posted by renn

see below. people who use steroids are tools. i don't know what you're trying to say but at the end of the day the classy chicks will go home with the nice, funny guy with a toned body and not the douchebag all juiced up.

x2.

do you have any idea wtf you're talking about??

Do you realize that your favorite professional athlete most likely either does or did use steroids at one point?

Steroids are not only used by body builders to bulk up, they're used by professional athletes across the board to increase strength and recover from injury more quickly.

I've never used roids and see no reason to, nor would I support someone using them, but your blanket statements about "all steroid users = insecure tools" only shows your ignorance on the subject.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by DC2.2GSR

B] i'm 100 percent for personal choice and 100 percent against federal/state regulation.

Solamia has no or almost no goverment regulation. Move then and let me know what you think.

Originally Posted by igo4bmx

There is a list of reasons people go to the ER.
alcohol and car accidents are on top of course also vitamin c overdose, but steroids is on the low end..

They is a high amount of alcohol problems because it is legal, easy to obtain and cheap. Legal = more people are open to do it and on top of that are alot more lax about it. Cheap = can be abused easier

Originally Posted by RSX Type-Slow

I completely agree with what your saying. Steroids for health conditions and as a medicine is fine with me, but I feel if used recreationaly only bad things could come

I'm still yet to see how introducing drugs can have a positive side effect on a person or the world...

[rodder]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

Solamia has no or almost no goverment regulation. Move then and let me know what you think.

No, Somalia (*not solamia, lol - sounds delicious) has NO government, period, not no government regulation. That's a really poor argument and is in no way analogous here.

You wanna play this game? Try moving to China, North Korea or Cuba and let me know what YOU think.

Originally Posted by jpalamar

They is a high amount of alcohol problems because it is legal, easy to obtain and cheap. Legal = more people are open to do it and on top of that are alot more lax about it. Cheap = can be abused easier

Take the word "legal" out of that sentence and you might get it. Legality has no impact on the use/consumption of a substance and in most cases only serves to drive the behavior underground and and creates crime where none would have existed otherwise. See also: prohibition.

Originally Posted by jpalamar

I'm still yet to see how introducing drugs can have a positive side effect on a person or the world...

Are you kidding? Steroids have numerous known medical benefits. Drugs don't have a positive side effect on a person? What the hell are pharmacists for then?

Oh, wait, I see, only the GOVERNMENT knows which drugs are good and which ones are bad.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by rodder

No, Somalia (*not solamia, lol - sounds delicious) has NO government, period, not no government regulation. That's a really poor argument and is in no way analogous here.

You wanna play this game? Try moving to China, North Korea or Cuba and let me know what YOU think.



Take the word "legal" out of that sentence and you might get it. Legality has no impact on the use/consumption of a substance and in most cases only serves to drive the behavior underground and and creates crime where none would have existed otherwise. See also: prohibition.



Are you kidding? Steroids have numerous known medical benefits. Drugs don't have a positive side effect on a person? What the hell are pharmacists for then?

Oh, wait, I see, only the GOVERNMENT knows which drugs are good and which ones are bad.

There is a need for some govt regulation. Too much and you become like China, N. Korea, ectt... To little or none and you are Somalia. There is a spot in the middle that is just right but not matter what, no everyone will be happy with everything. Druggies will always want drugs and will argue til they are blue in the face they don't do harm... just like someone who gambles can't stop. It is a problem.

The simple fact that it is illegal as well as other drugs keeps me away and would make me want to distance myself from someon using.

I'm all for medical uses, just not recreational.