3 shot in Nabisco shooting

[Protege v2.5]

Originally Posted by cmr076

i think guns should be banned completely, that way there would be no more shootings... just my .02

Laws don't control the Lawless. Banning guns would only hurt people who buy simply to hunt or defend themselves

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I read this this morning and thought oh **** my work has been shot up after all these lay offs! I work at a Kraft facility here in NEPA.

[DC2.2GSR]

Originally Posted by Chris B.

That hasn't worked in the U. S. cities with gun bans and countries with gun bans and really strict gun laws. The criminals don't care that they are banned.

Originally Posted by Protege v2.5

Laws don't control the Lawless. Banning guns would only hurt people who buy simply to hunt or defend themselves

lol, take a stroll over to the 'tst i like guns' thread and see some of his other posts. you'll see exactly why what he wrote is hilarious.

Originally Posted by Proven

Its sad what happen w/ this situation.. But don't start thinking the world is filled with horror though guys, there's way more people doing good things as opposed to bad. Unfortunately, "bad" new's gets higher ratings then good news so all's we hear is the bad. This of course was bad but don't let it cancel out the good that goes on depressing yourself.

DC2.2GSR - I actually agree with you on one thing and that's - people who can get certified and TRAINED, checked, and approved to carry should be able to. Making it easier or loosening laws for anyone to get a gun I will never agree on. Strict laws on obtaining a gun and carrying only stop those good citizens that are to lazy to prove worthy to own/carry. It would be silly to think that anyone who wanted to buy a gun was mentally stable, responsible, and careful enough to own and carry.

If you want to own a gun in this Country or at least this state you need to prove your are responsible enough. You did, and I actually have some respect for that.

Gov. should force large businesses to have armed security like mentioned (I agree)... This way FOX news can say he's a nazi trying to kill your working class family member w/ his drowns placed at the work place..

i'm not talking about buying, owning, or carrying firearms anywhere else in the state or country, i mean at work. most larger businesses have unfair rules and regulations in place that prohibit employees from carrying while on company property. again, this is not about stricter gun laws or anything like that, we're talking about citizens whom the state has already deemed fit to be licensed to carry firearms. at this point, it's not about what you or i think about who should be allowed to carry, the people i'm referring to have already satisfied the state's requirements, so why restrict concealed carry at work? why would a place of employment be any different than a grocery store or library or restaurant where these individuals would be responsibly carrying anyway?

what really bothers me is that some companies even go as far as to try to include prohibiting guns locked in personal vehicles on company property. they don't care if it's in a bolted down vehicle security lock box or on your front seat or inside your waistband. as far as they're concerned - gun on company property = termination. that's extremely unfair, and it's also very dangerous. by outlawing legal concealed carry on company property, you're doing nothing but making it less stressful for the 'shooters', who are guaranteed not to meet any resistance as they walk through their workplace blasting away. they know that no one has a weapon, so they are free to do as they wish until they run out of ammunition or they get bored.

the robert heinlein quote "an armed society is a polite society. manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life." is very fitting here if you can imagine it adapted to guns and the workplace instead of just society in general. if everyone who sincerely thinks about going on a shooting spree feared, or maybe even expected that any one or all of their coworkers could possibly be armed, they'd probably think twice about drawing their own weapon on someone else wouldn't they? criminals are predators who look for weak prey for an easy target, and an unarmed office employee is a very weak and easy target when confronted by a psychopath with a gun.

all i'm saying is that it would be in the best interest of all corporations and all employers for that matter to stop criminalizing legal carry of firearms while on the job.

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first of all, as for carrying on the job, concealed means concealed, right?

IMO, when a place of business (your business or otherwise) denies law-abiding citizens the right to lawful, effective self-defense on their premises, they are, in essence, accepting that responsibility themselves. Failure to provide effective defense after disarming your customers/employees should be actionable in court.

[DC2.2GSR]

Originally Posted by rodder

first of all, as for carrying on the job, concealed means concealed, right?

IMO, when a place of business (your business or otherwise) denies law-abiding citizens the right to lawful, effective self-defense on their premises, they are, in essence, accepting that responsibility themselves. Failure to provide effective defense after disarming your customers/employees should be actionable in court.

/\ i agree. concealed means concealed, and there's no reason that anyone would have to know. i just feel bad for the people who are not able to take the chance of losing their job if they're accidentally 'found out' somehow. how, i don't know, but i suppose there's always a chance.

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Think this bank's ever been robbed?

[DC2.2GSR]

Originally Posted by rodder

Think this bank's ever been robbed?

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i love that picture. i would love to be one of that bank's customers. it wouldn't change anything anyway, i carry both concealed and openly to the bank all the time, but still. i'd support them on principle alone. that's an owner who uses intelligence in his/her business practices.

as a side note, it's kind of funny how it says ..'only in texas'.... which makes no sense because PA is friendlier towards gun owners than texas is. open carry isn't even legal in texas (the reason it says "..carrying of licensed concealed weapons" on the window instead of 'all weapons'). people are still stuck on the cowboy image though, and think that people in texas all ride horses and wear low slung gun belts with twin single action revolvers haha

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Originally Posted by DC2.2GSR

/\ i agree. concealed means concealed, and there's no reason that anyone would have to know. i just feel bad for the people who are not able to take the chance of losing their job if they're accidentally 'found out' somehow. how, i don't know, but i suppose there's always a chance.

at least we've been seeing multiple states passing laws recently making it illegal for employers to prohibit employees from keeping lawfully-possessed firearms in their vehicles.

[cmr076]

Originally Posted by DC2.2GSR

lol, take a stroll over to the 'tst i like guns' thread and see some of his other posts. you'll see exactly why what he wrote is hilarious.

thanks

[cmr076]

Originally Posted by rodder

at least we've been seeing multiple states passing laws recently making it illegal for employers to prohibit employees from keeping lawfully-possessed firearms in their vehicles.

which is still stupid... how many workplace shootings take place in the parking lot? personally i think they should pay employees who are willing to CC at work a little bonus, maybe make them take a class or something to make sure they are competent shooters.

[Protege v2.5]

If I were an intelligent bank robber and I saw that sign, 1st question I would ask myself is "how many of these people are carrying". Then promptly go somewhere else.

[DC2.2GSR]

Originally Posted by cmr076

which is still stupid... how many workplace shootings take place in the parking lot? personally i think they should pay employees who are willing to CC at work a little bonus, maybe make them take a class or something to make sure they are competent shooters.

i also agree with this. no matter what position someone is hiring for, a line in the job ad that says 'PA Act 235 preferred' would attract some really high quality responsible employees, as well as take care of some of the security issues. once hired, if that employee was put through a short familiarization class that taught him or her about the building, grounds, and responsibilities during a 'situation', the company could really benefit. the employees could feel truly safe, knowing that they work with people who take safety very seriously.

[Protege v2.5]

Originally Posted by DC2.2GSR

lol, take a stroll over to the 'tst i like guns' thread and see some of his other posts. you'll see exactly why what he wrote is hilarious.

Guess I walked into that one huh....lol

[cmr076]

Originally Posted by DC2.2GSR

i also agree with this. no matter what position someone is hiring for, a line in the job ad that says 'PA Act 235 preferred' would attract some really high quality responsible employees, as well as take care of some of the security issues. once hired, if that employee was put through a short familiarization class that taught him or her about the building, grounds, and responsibilities during a 'situation', the company could really benefit. the employees could feel truly safe, knowing that they work with people who take safety very seriously.

the only issue would be all the "other" employees who dont feel safe

Originally Posted by Protege v2.5

Guess I walked into that one huh....lol

its ok i still love you... come to the group shoot: http://www.tristatetuners.com/forum/...d.php?t=103906

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Originally Posted by cmr076

which is still stupid... how many workplace shootings take place in the parking lot? personally i think they should pay employees who are willing to CC at work a little bonus, maybe make them take a class or something to make sure they are competent shooters.

yes but you're already getting into infringing on property rights with the parking lot thing. IMO, if it's my property, I should be able to deny access to anyone based on no reason or any reason I feel like. The CC thing with compensation sounds awesome, but there are laws that regulate business security and the govt certainly can't force businesses to all have armed security. Better would be just to openly encourage responsible carry without actually paying an employee to double as a security guard.

It works just the same with employers/employees. By accepting a job you are effectively agreeing to abide by a set of rules that your employer has set. If one of those rules, such as a no-gun policy bothers you, you can simply find work elsewhere.

[cmr076]

Originally Posted by rodder

yes but you're already getting into infringing on property rights with the parking lot thing. IMO, if it's my property, I should be able to deny access to anyone based on no reason or any reason I feel like.

It works just the same with employers/employees. By accepting a job you are effectively agreeing to abide by a set of rules that your employer has set. If one of those rules, such as a no-gun policy bothers you, you can simply find work elsewhere.

im not arguing that fact, thats why i dont carry at work, what i was saying is that the employer should be lucky enough to have someone willing to take on that responsibility

[Protege v2.5]

Originally Posted by cmr076

its ok i still love you... come to the group shoot: http://www.tristatetuners.com/forum/...d.php?t=103906

Would love to, but I don't own any firearms.

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Originally Posted by cmr076

im not arguing that fact, thats why i dont carry at work, what i was saying is that the employer should be lucky enough to have someone willing to take on that responsibility

agree^^

It's unfortunate how many lies about firearms have been spread by the MSM and anti-gun groups. The cool thing is they are fighting a losing battle and they know it:

http://www.pagunrights.com/2010/04/a...sing-traction/

Originally Posted by Protege v2.5

Would love to, but I don't own any firearms.

It don't matter. As long as you help chip in for ammo I'm sure there's not a single person coming who wouldn't be more than happy to let you shoot their stuff. I know you're welcome to shoot any of mine. I don't have the kind of arsenal some of these guys do but I've definitely got enough toys for a beginner to have plenty of fun with.

[cmr076]

Originally Posted by Protege v2.5

Would love to, but I don't own any firearms.

your more than welcome to try my "arsenal" out

Originally Posted by rodder

agree^^

It's unfortunate how many lies about firearms have been spread by the MSM and anti-gun groups. The cool thing is they are fighting a losing battle and they know it:

http://www.pagunrights.com/2010/04/a...sing-traction/



It don't matter. As long as you help chip in for ammo I'm sure there's not a single person coming who wouldn't be more than happy to let you shoot their stuff. I know you're welcome to shoot any of mine. I don't have the kind of arsenal some of these guys do but I've definitely got enough toys for a beginner to have plenty of fun with.

ive got enough toys for SEPA to have fun haha

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Originally Posted by cmr076

ive got enough toys for SEPA to have fun haha

yes I know that and you are one of the reasons I'm so excited to go to this meet.

edit: no homo, of course.