Cleanneon's quest to fitness: HELP ME GET BIGGER!

[TROLL]

Cool... thumbs up for being comfortable putting all of this out there publicly. It probably helps keep you on track but its also a private thing for most people. Either way, its an ongoing project to get the diet right and something I need more improvement with as well.

[Jagermeister]

And please don't tell me your drinking your creatine drink while at the gym in a shaker cup. The only thing you should have at the gym is a gallon of water. Best way of knowing you drank a gallon for the day, just walk around with it. Pre workout's are useless. Your tolerance builds up. You should be pumped enough just knowing your going to lift. If you cant get into it then maybe it isnt for you. Just remember its the one accomplishment that no one can ever take away from you.

[TROLL]

Originally Posted by Jagermeister

You should be pumped enough just knowing your going to lift.

Good, I'm doing this part right then . Sometimes I don't feel like going to the gym but almost always once I get there I'm in the zone and giving it 100%.

[Jagermeister]

Thats good troll. It's a great feeling, plus once you develop yourself more and start to isolate and really know which muscles you are working it gets even better. My best friend competes and seeing him so into it even gives me motivation and I consider myself pretty darn motivated.

[andru1313]

Originally Posted by Jagermeister

Especially supplements that don't work. As I said before pre workouts and protein powder are pointless, the protein powder should be there to supplement your diet not be the basis. Eat clean and lift properly. Have you made any improvements lifting? I'd say 95% of the people I see in any gym are lifting or exercising improperly then complain that they don't see any gain or change. How old you are? Do a 30 day cycle of a ph like superdrol then post cycle. You'll lean out and put on some decent mass and if you post cycle properly keep most of it.

This is good advice. I don't recomend roids but 5lbs in a month is mostly water. Until your diet is spot on your just lifting weights. Diet is the key to it all. Having done Body building my diet was the hardest part of the process.

You can gain natural but it takes alot of time and discipline. You need realistic expectations.

I happen to know a good bit about fitness and supplement are just that. Supplements. They supplement a proper diet and exercise routine.

So it's good you started to lift but that is a very small part of the process.
Do you keep a food journal? One of the most important tools for fitness. Calories and a breakdown of what you ingest.

I could go on and on with this topic. I would hold off on any roids or OTC roids till all your exercise and diet is in check.


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[05Accent]

Jon where are u lifting at now?

[CleanNeon98]

Originally Posted by Jagermeister

Especially supplements that don't work. As I said before pre workouts and protein powder are pointless, the protein powder should be there to supplement your diet not be the basis. Eat clean and lift properly. Have you made any improvements lifting? I'd say 95% of the people I see in any gym are lifting or exercising improperly then complain that they don't see any gain or change. How old you are? Do a 30 day cycle of a ph like superdrol then post cycle. You'll lean out and put on some decent mass and if you post cycle properly keep most of it.

I'm 23. I feel like I've made some improvements lifting, form and weight wise, I'm gonna take these supps till they are gone and then do something else, or do a month without. I'm not going to take steroids, but any other advice is apreciated. Def need to track food and talk to my buddy about whats good and what isnt.

[300zx_tt]

track your diet, if you have a smartphone they have apps for it but you never really realize what you eat till you have a weeks worth of food on a piece of paper, i carried around a pad and pencil everywhere i went and wrote what i ate, if you substitute chips or snack food for nuts, or even chicken you will be much better off, i have a bowl of chicken in my fridge at all times haha

[05Accent]

Originally Posted by andru1313

I could go on and on with this topic. I would hold off on any roids or OTC roids till all your exercise and diet is in check.


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The fact that u said this shows me u have no knowledge in this subject matter.
Your probably one of the people that thinks that Muscular Developlent sells real steroids in the back of their magazines.

[Jagermeister]

Junior, I'm up at bloomsburg now. Finally able to start lifting heavy again after my last surgery. I mean you guys keep referring to "roids"... pro hormones are legal and otc. They are less harmful on your body than alcohol and other things you may intake daily. They are by no means are magic, in fact you have to work harder and have a stricter diet. It was just a thought. You don't seem receptive so I wont mention it again. You seem to have a good mindset in that you want to change and get healthy. Thats great. Keep it up. I've been through phases when I could horribly out of shape, granted it was after three knee surgeries, it was still laziness and over indulgence on my part. The most important thing is staying motivated.

[andru1313]

Originally Posted by 05Accent

The fact that u said this shows me u have no knowledge in this subject matter.
Your probably one of the people that thinks that Muscular Developlent sells real steroids in the back of their magazines.

They don't? Thank you saved me Money.

My comment was in reference to superdrol in a prior post.

Deepest apologies.


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[05Accent]

oh snap, nice didnt know. yea im assuming ur refaering to keith as the one who does the competitions?

[Jagermeister]

What was the comment in regards to superdrol? And it is not mostly water. And no my roomate jeff.

[andru1313]

Originally Posted by Jagermeister

What was the comment in regards to superdrol? And it is not mostly water. And no my roomate jeff.

You suggested it.

So you think almost 5lbs of muscle in 30 days? Even on my bulk cycle I could only hope for that type of gain natural.

Not tryin to get into a pissing match with anyone over fitness. People over complicate it. I was agreeing with your posts. I have been at this for over 11 years no expert by any means. Always open to learning a new and better methods.

When I decided to do stage work I had no clue what to expect. Wow talk about an entire new respect for body builders.

And are made in the kitchen most truthful statement anyone has ever said to me.

I am more than willing to share any into or help out with anyone.


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[Jagermeister]

Yea, I apologize, didn't mean to get into an argument either. There are so many factors regarding body type and other things to even begin to make statements as to whats possible for an individual I know nothing about.

[CleanNeon98]

Im eating the right things but im not sure how much to eat. Not enough and i wont have gains, too much and im afraid ill.balloon back up. Ive waited this long already so if it takes time for me to find te right thing for me, so be it. As an example ill try to recap today

Oats for breakfast 830am followed by no2 and creatine drink
Back and biceps 9am to 11:15
Protein shake right after
2:30 steamed chicken w veggies, white rice
4:30more of the same
5:30 oat and honey bar
Its now 645 and ill probbably have a yogurt or something around 11 before bed, maybe some fruit in between now and then.

Am i on the right track?

[andru1313]

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

Im eating the right things but im not sure how much to eat. Not enough and i wont have gains, too much and im afraid ill.balloon back up. Ive waited this long already so if it takes time for me to find te right thing for me, so be it. As an example ill try to recap today

Oats for breakfast 830am followed by no2 and creatine drink
Back and biceps 9am to 11:15
Protein shake right after
2:30 steamed chicken w veggies, white rice
4:30more of the same
5:30 oat and honey bar
Its now 645 and ill probbably have a yogurt or something around 11 before bed, maybe some fruit in between now and then.

Am i on the right track?

On your diet your not eating enough in my opinion. I would do

8egg whites and 1/4 cup of oats
Pre protein shake with apple sauce to carb load.
Then post work out shake

Lunch I would do 8oz of chicken or lean beef with 1/4 cup of BROWN rice and 1cup of steamed broccoli and hand ful of dry roasted peanuts.

Snack or protein shake before last meal

Dinner
8oz of lean protein fish or chicken or turkey with a cup of a veg and some sweet potato.

I try and get 2 tbls of natural peanut butter a day as well

I use isopure for my protein and put glutamine in it. I also take a vit as well as fish oil.

I am on my phone but can post better diet when I get home. I cook my meals for the entire week on Sunday. Easier that way an I portion out for the week. I weigh my portions and all.

I have one cheat meal per week.

Lmk if this even makes sense.


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[CleanNeon98]

Originally Posted by andru1313

On your diet your not eating enough in my opinion. I would do

8egg whites and 1/4 cup of oats
Pre protein shake with apple sauce to carb load.
Then post work out shake

Lunch I would do 8oz of chicken or lean beef with 1/4 cup of BROWN rice and 1cup of steamed broccoli and hand ful of dry roasted peanuts.

Snack or protein shake before last meal

Dinner
8oz of lean protein fish or chicken or turkey with a cup of a veg and some sweet potato.

I try and get 2 tbls of natural peanut butter a day as well

I use isopure for my protein and put glutamine in it. I also take a vit as well as fish oil.

I am on my phone but can post better diet when I get home. I cook my meals for the entire week on Sunday. Easier that way an I portion out for the week. I weigh my portions and all.

I have one cheat meal per week.

Lmk if this even makes sense.


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Def interested in hearing more if you want to post when you get home. The only thing is, I am at like 160lbs right now, if I eat too much in the am before workout I feel tired. Is 8 eggs not overkill? I usually have 2-3 max.

[andru1313]

Originally Posted by CleanNeon98

Def interested in hearing more if you want to post when you get home. The only thing is, I am at like 160lbs right now, if I eat too much in the am before workout I feel tired. Is 8 eggs not overkill? I usually have 2-3 max.

To me it's not. Great source of natural protein. I eat 10 every morning.

I am 6'2 202 and around 9% body fat and alot older than you and I eat alot. To support muscle growth you need to eat. And if you eat clean you won't get fat.

Also I bulk then cut. Have yet to be successful Doing both at the same time.


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[andru1313]

Here is a sample of my bulk diet. This is my diet.... I do this when I want to put on size.

MEAL 1:
*6 egg whites 3 whole omega-3 eggs
*1 cup cooked Oatmeal (may add berries, strawberries, splenda and cinnamon)
*1 tbls of all natural peanut butter
*1 piece of whole grain toast
*5 grams of Glutamine and Creatine
Supplements: Multi, Fish oils, 500mg Milk Thistle

MEAL 2: (Shake)
*60 grams of Pure Whey Isolate (Isopure)
*2 tbls of all natural peanut butter OR 1/3 cup of almonds
*5 grams of Glutamine and Creatine

MEAL 3:
*10 oz. Lean Steak or lean ground beef (ketch up or bbq sauce is fine)
*1 Cup Cooked Brown Rice
*1 cup Steamed vegetables
*1/2 cup of almonds, cashews or peanuts
500mg Milk Thistle, Fish oils

MEAL 4: Pre Workout 1 Hour Prior to Workout (shake)
*60 grams of Pure Whey Isolate (Isopure)
*1 Banana
*1/2cup of apple sauce
*5 grams of Glutamine and Creatine
Vit. C, Calcium

MEAL 5: Post Workout (shake)
*60 grams of Pure Whey Isolate (Isopure)
*1 Banana
*1/2cup of apple sauce
*5 grams of Glutamine and Creatine
Multi, Fish oils

MEAL 6:
*10 Lean Turkey (may use ketchup or BBQ sauce)
*6 oz Yam or sweet potato
*1 cup Steamed vegetables
Calcium, 3mg Melatonin, 500mg Milk Thistle

Notes:
*non workout days only I want you to replace the pre and post workout shakes with meal 2 shake (no fast carbs on non workout days)
*Cardio-15 minutes before workout and 15 minutes after of interval training only.
*H20- 1 gallon or 120 oz a day. This includes coffee or anything diet.
*You should be eating every 2.5 to 3 hours.
*You can eat your meals in any order you like EXCEPT your pre and post workout along with meal 6. Pre and post you can do anytime of the day just as long as they are soley around your workout. Meal 6 has to be the last meal of the day.
*All natural peanut butter means nothing added in the ingredients except peanuts and salt.