The official TST I like guns thread.

[SvicksTc]

Originally Posted by cmr076

nope, shopping for machine guns is better than sleep haha

haha what are you looking at now

[90HP]

you should get a benchmade pen, they are sweet

[90HP]

Originally Posted by armyguy6566

price? pics?

http://forum.pafoa.org/firearms-6/12...-w-extras.html

[cmr076]

Originally Posted by SvicksTc

haha what are you looking at now

Me and my buddy I have a gun trust with have enough saved up for

one of these....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsJ2a_PMREg

or one of these....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBZWC...eature=related

so I am not really sure, I want the FNC, he wants the M16.. maybe we'll play rock paper scissors.

[99corvette]

check out
sturmgewehr.com
subguns.com
gunbroker.com
i keep a eye out on all three of these sites for nfa stuff when im at work and have a lil free time. i seen some really good deals lately. just letting you guys know im phillysvt little brother.

[rodder]

Originally Posted by SvicksTc

Munky thats awesome...

Where do most of you guys conceal your weapon? I have yet to try any postion yet, but I feel im going to be most comfortable with IWB on strong side

Come spring when it gets warm we should have a big get together shoot

I carry my M&P in a desantis cozy partner, strong side, about 3:30 as well.

LCP goes in a desantis nemesis pocket holster and the XD45 rides in a galco OWB concealable @ 4:00.

This is, of course, not all at the same time, but it would be pretty funny.

When looking at IWB holsters, make sure to check out cross-breed. I don't have one myself but have heard they're pretty much the most comfortable IWB holster you can buy. Most people that get them absolutely love them.

http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/

[cmr076]

Originally Posted by 99corvette

check out
sturmgewehr.com
subguns.com
gunbroker.com
i keep a eye out on all three of these sites for nfa stuff when im at work and have a lil free time. i seen some really good deals lately. just letting you guys know im phillysvt little brother.

I have been trolling them for some time now. If you decide to sell your lage mac or serbu let me know I will take either

[jpalamar]

I want to get a taser. It just seems more fun :-)

[99corvette]

Originally Posted by cmr076

I have been trolling them for some time now. If you decide to sell your lage mac or serbu let me know I will take either

i thought about letting my mac go, but after thinking about it it was my first machine gun i bought. i dont think ill ever let go of the serbu. the looks you get at the range when people see it on my leg make my day.(have a leg holster for it). if you or your buddy are really looking at getting a m16, i would look at a dias over a registered receiver.

[cmr076]

Originally Posted by 99corvette

i thought about letting my mac go, but after thinking about it it was my first machine gun i bought. i dont think ill ever let go of the serbu. the looks you get at the range when people see it on my leg make my day.(have a leg holster for it). if you or your buddy are really looking at getting a m16, i would look at a dias over a registered receiver.

I have thought about going the DIAS route but with the RR I can swap uppers from what I understand to have an ar57, ar22, etc. etc. I already have a variety of uppers which is why I figured the RR would be the way to go (plus if the sear wears out or breaks them im out whatever I paid for it)

If you change your mind about the mac I have the money in hand!

[rodder]

Originally Posted by jpalamar

I want to get a taser. It just seems more fun :-)

More fun for what? Target practice? Cause normally you shoot guns at paper targets, not people.

I can assure you, firing a gun at a paper target is much more fun than firing a taser at one.

If you think a taser seems more fun than a gun because you can injure people without killing them, well that's a bit disturbing.

[99corvette]

Originally Posted by cmr076

I have thought about going the DIAS route but with the RR I can swap uppers from what I understand to have an ar57, ar22, etc. etc. I already have a variety of uppers which is why I figured the RR would be the way to go (plus if the sear wears out or breaks them im out whatever I paid for it)

If you change your mind about the mac I have the money in hand!

from what i have been seeing for the last year is prices on dias going up and prices on rr lower. i think people are goin with the dias because you can drop it into a bunch of ar15s. i never heard of someone brakeing a dias, not saying its never happen. but if you blow up a m16 lower and cant have it welded, then your out for what you paid for that too.

[SvicksTc]

Originally Posted by cmr076

Me and my buddy I have a gun trust with have enough saved up for

one of these....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lsJ2a_PMREg

or one of these....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBZWC...eature=related

so I am not really sure, I want the FNC, he wants the M16.. maybe we'll play rock paper scissors.

wow both guns are awesome, ive always wanted as a child to grow up and have an m16 one day haha, but my vote now would go to FNC but either way you go it looks like they will both be a ton of fun to shoot...

plus the zombie days are coming soon

[DC2.2GSR]

I know we're like two pages past it by this point, but just a note about caliber choice...

All defensive handgun calibers will kill people. With modern designs the diameter of the bullet isn't as important, but it still plays a huge factor in how much damage you're going to do to soft tissue. With that said, there's nothing out there that has "stopping power" and nothing will stop someone in one shot unless they mentally submit (sometimes involuntarily) or unless you disrupt their CNS.

.40S&W is not weak by any means and is not a lesser alternative that anyone has chosen because they can't handle a .45ACP or whatever. .40 is a caliber that people choose when they want a definite performance gain over 9mm, but when the particular gun they've chosen is not offered in .45ACP. 9/40 guns are almost always on one frame and .45s are on a totally different one, usually a larger one.

With M&Ps as an example (but it still applies to most other model lines as well) when someone is choosing between a 9C and a 40C and a 45C, they're all considered by S&W to be "compacts", but the 45C is a 4" barrel model with a wider overall width and a taller grip, but the 9C, the 40C and even the 357C are all 3.5" barrel guns with a much smaller grip. They are the identical guns aside from the barrels and the magazines. When someone has decided that the smaller gun is the one they want, there are only three calibers offered. The .45ACP is not even an option.

I'm assuming we all know the generally accepted recommendations for all around best performing loads of each caliber (124 gr. +P 9mm - 165 gr. .40S&W). In 9mm, with any bullet design or load, you get a smaller bullet and substantially less muzzle energy (the mythical "stopping power"), but you get two extra rounds to carry along (12+1 in the compact). In .40S&W you get a larger bullet and substantially more muzzle energy than the 9mm, and with equal muzzle velocity, and you only sacrifice two rounds (10+1 for the 40C) due to the size of the round. Now, throw in the fact that some guns aren't rated for use with +P ammunition and the gap between the performance of 9mm and .40 becomes even greater because you have to use a standard load.

As for the .357Sig, well that's an obvious clear winner in terms of muzzle velocity and energy, but you have a smaller diameter bullet. Smaller hole and less contact with soft tissue is offset by the fact that it delivers a bigger punch. The problem with .357Sig though is price and availability. First, not every manufacturer offers a gun with it as an option. Next you have to consider availability. I have never seen a single box of .357Sig in a Walmart and I've only once seen a handful of boxes at Cabelas. In fact, not too long ago I posted in this thread about seeing my first box ever 'in the wild'. I know some of you buy online or wherever and say not to buy at Walmart, etc. but the WM shelves are a good indicator of what's available elsewhere. Right now there are (as of 2 hrs. ago) at least 2500 rounds of .40S&W on the shelf at the Walmart down the road. 9mm is down around 500 rounds and there were only two 50rd boxes of .45ACP. It's more plentiful than any other caliber and I believe it's because so many law enforcement agencies have totally abandoned 9mm in favor of .40S&W so the production has been ramped up. You could say it's because no one wants it because of whatever reason, but regardless - it's there for me to buy. When you do eventually find .357Sig it's significantly higher priced than anything else on the shelf.

.40S&W is now easier to find than any other caliber (especially .357Sig), offers greater performance than the 9mm, offers a good compromise in price between 9mm and .357Sig, and is the largest round available in smaller framed guns. Why not choose the round that offers the best of each aspect?

[SvicksTc]

Originally Posted by rodder

I carry my M&P in a desantis cozy partner, strong side, about 3:30 as well.

LCP goes in a desantis nemesis pocket holster and the XD45 rides in a galco OWB concealable @ 4:00.

This is, of course, not all at the same time, but it would be pretty funny.

When looking at IWB holsters, make sure to check out cross-breed. I don't have one myself but have heard they're pretty much the most comfortable IWB holster you can buy. Most people that get them absolutely love them.

http://www.crossbreedholsters.com/

yes ive only heard great things about the cross breed holsters, and yes i definitely want something comfortable it it is going to be on my waist all the time, and i dont wear big baggy pants so well see how it all plays out

[cmr076]

Originally Posted by DC2.2GSR

I know we're like two pages past it by this point, but just a note about caliber choice...

.40S&W is not weak by any means and is not a lesser alternative that anyone has chosen because they can't handle a .45ACP or whatever. .40 is a caliber that people choose when they want a definite performance gain over 9mm, but when the particular gun they've chosen is not offered in .45ACP. 9/40 guns are almost always on one frame and .45s are on a totally different one, usually a larger one.

With M&Ps as an example (but it still applies to most other model lines as well) when someone is choosing between a 9C and a 40C and a 45C, they're all considered by S&W to be "compacts", but the 45C is a 4" barrel model with a wider overall width and a taller grip, but the 9C, the 40C and even the 357C are all 3.5" barrel guns with a much smaller grip. They are the identical guns aside from the barrels and the magazines. When someone has decided that the smaller gun is the one they want, there are only three calibers offered. The .45ACP is not even an option.

I'm assuming we all know the generally accepted recommendations for all around best performing loads of each caliber (124 gr. +P 9mm - 165 gr. .40S&W). In 9mm, with any bullet design or load, you get a smaller bullet and substantially less muzzle energy (the mythical "stopping power"), but you get two extra rounds to carry along (12+1 in the compact). In .40S&W you get a larger bullet and substantially more muzzle energy than the 9mm, and with equal muzzle velocity, and you only sacrifice two rounds (10+1 for the 40C) due to the size of the round. Now, throw in the fact that some guns aren't rated for use with +P ammunition and the gap between the performance of 9mm and .40 becomes even greater because you have to use a standard load.

As for the .357Sig, well that's an obvious clear winner in terms of muzzle velocity and energy, but you have a smaller diameter bullet. Smaller hole and less contact with soft tissue is offset by the fact that it delivers a bigger punch. The problem with .357Sig though is price and availability. First, not every manufacturer offers a gun with it as an option. Next you have to consider availability. I have never seen a single box of .357Sig in a Walmart and I've only once seen a handful of boxes at Cabelas. In fact, not too long ago I posted in this thread about seeing my first box ever 'in the wild'. I know some of you buy online or wherever and say not to buy at Walmart, etc. but the WM shelves are a good indicator of what's available elsewhere. Right now there are (as of 2 hrs. ago) at least 2500 rounds of .40S&W on the shelf at the Walmart down the road. 9mm is down around 500 rounds and there were only two 50rd boxes of .45ACP. It's more plentiful than any other caliber and I believe it's because so many law enforcement agencies have totally abandoned 9mm in favor of .40S&W so the production has been ramped up. You could say it's because no one wants it because of whatever reason, but regardless - it's there for me to buy. When you do eventually find .357Sig it's significantly higher priced than anything else on the shelf.

.40S&W is now easier to find than any other caliber (especially .357Sig), offers greater performance than the 9mm, offers a good compromise in price between 9mm and .357Sig, and is the largest round available in smaller framed guns. Why not choose the round that offers the best of each aspect?

psh, 10mm for me or nothing.

[DC2.2GSR]

Originally Posted by cmr076

psh, 10mm for me or nothing.

lol yeah, I'd love a 10mm, but the rounds are equally as rare as .357Sig and even less manufacturers make one. Honestly if they made a 10mm M&P I'd buy one tomorrow.

[DC2.2GSR]

Originally Posted by SvicksTc

yes ive only heard great things about the cross breed holsters, and yes i definitely want something comfortable it it is going to be on my waist all the time, and i dont wear big baggy pants so well see how it all plays out

I bought an MTAC instead of the CBST because it has interchangeable kydex bodies for different guns and it's made much better than the CBST I think. Also because I only had to wait 5 days instead of who knows how long for the CBST. Oh yeah, and also because I'm not really into drinking the Kool Aid... I'm not a fan of people stamping religious symbols on products they expect to sell. Whatever though, CB sells lots of holsters and have impressed lots of people. I'm sure you couldn't go wrong with buying one for any gun.

[cmr076]

Originally Posted by DC2.2GSR

lol yeah, I'd love a 10mm, but the rounds are equally as rare as .357Sig and even less manufacturers make one. Honestly if they made a 10mm M&P I'd buy one tomorrow.

jons never had an issue finding 10mm

:::edit:: a mac in 10mm would be ****ing badass

[cmr076]

Originally Posted by DC2.2GSR

. I'm not a fan of people stamping religious symbols on products they expect to sell.

im with ya on that i think thats bizarre