Is there anything faster?

[PhillySVT]

Originally Posted by slavetothemuzic

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Seriously, grab a dictionary or something. Not care != slamming. Slamming would indicate that I actually cared enough to construct a negative argument.

Whatever...I see from you post that you don't have much car knowlege. I could care less....I'll live my life experincing cars from different countries and enjoy them each for what they do well. Why are you on the domestic tech forum if don't visit forums of cars you care nothing about.

[slavetothemuzic]

Originally Posted by PhillySVT

Whatever...I see from you post that you don't have much car knowlege.

I love how you keep saying that, when the simple fact is, you don't know ****. Keep saying it though and maybe it will come true.

Originally Posted by PhillySVT

Why are you on the domestic tech forum if don't visit forums of cars you care nothing about.

I'm not. It's a sub forum of a forum that I was already registered on.

If you click "New Posts", it shows you all posts since your last visit, regardless of which sub forum you're in.

[Dave]

Originally Posted by S4toSTI

I was kidding about the 18.2 and the viper is what displacement v10 8.3 right and the m5 is a 5 liter v10 and the m5 is making two more hp. oh and what is the redline on a viper 6k oh and the redline on a m5 is what 8250. I don't disagree that the viper is a fast car but the m5 has a higher top speed and has 7 gears... and a more effcient engine, and i don't think you can argue any of that

idiotic argument, the m5 has a severe torque disadvantage to the viper. and it doesnt have **** on the current model

[Raven18940]

I think the problem with american muscle is that fans of it put it on a pedestal that never existed. Most muslce cars did 14's, maybe 13's from the factory, they weren't that fast. The fun of muscle cars was the same as today's cars, modding them. So really, today's SRT-4's, STi's, and Evo's are very much the same as muscle cars of the 70's. Cheap car + power + modability = muscle car.

[PhillySVT]

Originally Posted by Raven18940

I think the problem with american muscle is that fans of it put it on a pedestal that never existed. Most muslce cars did 14's, maybe 13's from the factory, they weren't that fast. The fun of muscle cars was the same as today's cars, modding them. So really, today's SRT-4's, STi's, and Evo's are very much the same as muscle cars of the 70's. Cheap car + power + modability = muscle car.

You are completely right....I'm not talking about cars from the 70's. However I am imressed with a car that comes from the factory with a built bottom end and can with stand 700+ hp with out taking the valve covers off. To write off a whole countries car is just redicoulios. Hell british cars are notoriose for electrical problems but that doesn't make the elise less of a car. Thats just moronic.

[Raven18940]

Originally Posted by PhillySVT

You are completely right....I'm not talking about cars from the 70's. However I am imressed with a car that comes from the factory with a built bottom end and can with stand 700+ hp with out taking the valve covers off. To write off a whole countries car is just redicoulios. Hell british cars are notoriose for electrical problems but that doesn't make the elise less of a car. Thats just moronic.

Exactly, this whole thing is silly, people get a bit too caught up in the names. Fast is fast. Anything that can hold 700hp is crazy, that's an awesome engine.

[Vypurr]

I think what I find attractive about American Muscle is their ability to overbuild their cars. As PhillySVT said, building massive power on a stock motor is impressive. And it just seems more common to find awesome stock motors under the hood of American cars such as the 5.0, LS1, and LS2.

Not hating on imports...because I drive one... But they are more expensive normally for a less impressive base to build off of.

[peteyturbo]

Wait, so you have a Turbo'd 03?? I thought it was still SC so yeah I'm down
LEt me know if you need help finding an evo. They are good no frills daily drivers, very reliable, 30mpg, and can easily run low 12's, very easily..What is your "area"?

Originally Posted by PhillySVT

I agree.....They have a fast top speed but thay aren't too quick. I think the run the quarter in the low 11's. Now thro it on a track and it is gonna spanck most cars. I just offered the ride so you could see what a turbo V8 is like. Way funner than my old ported eaton set up. If you are ever in the area hit me up. Do you own a Evo now? I think I might dump my daily driver for a used Evo.

[SpEcRv9]

i want shotgun!!! lol, phillysvt my buddy pete with a wrx (i think you're his boss) told me he rode in your car and its disgusting...you go to any meets?

[PhillySVT]

Originally Posted by SpEcRv9

i want shotgun!!! lol, phillysvt my buddy pete with a wrx (i think you're his boss) told me he rode in your car and its disgusting...you go to any meets?

yup...thats me. I'm on the main line.

[SovXietday]

Originally Posted by Vypurr

I think what I find attractive about American Muscle is their ability to overbuild their cars. As PhillySVT said, building massive power on a stock motor is impressive. And it just seems more common to find awesome stock motors under the hood of American cars such as the 5.0, LS1, and LS2.

And they respond to small mods scary well.

Now if only Chevy would back up their engines with a rear...

[fsburnout216]

Originally Posted by Raven18940

Cheap car + power + modability = muscle car.

i believe that 100% as long as you gain the power without throwing a turbo on your car. i believe the deffinition of muscle car is massive hp/torque in an all motor car.

building all motor is like lfting wieghts everyday and getting huge muscles. slapping on a turbo or using nitrous is like taking steriods. not saying i dont love the sound of a turbo spooling into a beautiful blow off. its just not muscle to me.

[PhillySVT]

Originally Posted by fsburnout216

i believe that 100% as long as you gain the power without throwing a turbo on your car. i believe the deffinition of muscle car is massive hp/torque in an all motor car.

building all motor is like lfting wieghts everyday and getting huge muscles. slapping on a turbo or using nitrous is like taking steriods. not saying i dont love the sound of a turbo spooling into a beautiful blow off. its just not muscle to me.

Not muscle...what about a V8 turbo LOL....all my v8's will get a turbo after this car. Made it 10 times funner and I straight up rape cars from a roll. Not to shabby from a dig either except if they are putting down 500rwhp+ /500rwtq they will get the enitial jump but are being walked by by the top of 2nd to 3rd gear. You gotta love a fast all motor car but a ton of domestics are going FI.

[tort9320g]

Originally Posted by fsburnout216

i believe that 100% as long as you gain the power without throwing a turbo on your car. i believe the deffinition of muscle car is massive hp/torque in an all motor car.

building all motor is like lfting wieghts everyday and getting huge muscles. slapping on a turbo or using nitrous is like taking steriods. not saying i dont love the sound of a turbo spooling into a beautiful blow off. its just not muscle to me.

And what about those among us that bought factory turbo cars ? I guess that immediately removes us from your list. Oh well, i'll stick with my measly .020" over 4 banger with a turbo the size of your head. By the way, the car put down 507/429 before being properly tuned last year...550ish after. That was the old set-up. Since then we've upgraded the turbo, cams, exhaust and intake manifolds. I understand what you're saying about doing it all on motor and that's all good and fine, but for the small cid guys we gotta make it any way we can.

Dave

[fuzionauto]

Originally Posted by WhiteXFire

It was an exaggeration...the new viper is 8.3L V10 510hp, new vette 7.0L V8 505hp, whereas a 5.7L V10 porsche carrera GT puts down 605hp, 4.3L V8 ferrari puts down 490hp, etc. Much smaller displacement with as much or more power.

How about a 3.0 liter that makes 1400rwhp?

And still gets 25 mpg?

[SleeperGoat]

Originally Posted by fsburnout216

i believe that 100% as long as you gain the power without throwing a turbo on your car. i believe the deffinition of muscle car is massive hp/torque in an all motor car.

building all motor is like lfting wieghts everyday and getting huge muscles. slapping on a turbo or using nitrous is like taking steriods. not saying i dont love the sound of a turbo spooling into a beautiful blow off. its just not muscle to me.

I was just wondering man how long you had your car for an if you played with a 03 Cobra like a year or 2 ago that was worked up pretty well.

[SleeperGoat]

Originally Posted by PhillySVT

Not muscle...what about a V8 turbo LOL....all my v8's will get a turbo after this car. Made it 10 times funner and I straight up rape cars from a roll. Not to shabby from a dig either except if they are putting down 500rwhp+ they will get the enitial jump but are being walked by by the top of 2nd to 3rd gear. You gotta love a fast all motor car but a ton of domestics are going FI.

That is true up to a few years ago most the Quick 8 cars were big motors with spray as of recently i've noticed most have changed over to Twin Turbo setups or single turbo setups.

Originally Posted by Raven

I think the problem with american muscle is that fans of it put it on a pedestal that never existed. Most muslce cars did 14's, maybe 13's from the factory, they weren't that fast. The fun of muscle cars was the same as today's cars, modding them. So really, today's SRT-4's, STi's, and Evo's are very much the same as muscle cars of the 70's. Cheap car + power + modability = muscle car.

This is true as hell haha, my Car ran a whole 15.7 with a 305 an my brothers buddy's mustang was rocking mid 14's. The only thing is around that time it was quick to have a 11 second car.

[BlkWhtTSI]

Originally Posted by Raven18940

I think the problem with american muscle is that fans of it put it on a pedestal that never existed. Most muslce cars did 14's, maybe 13's from the factory, they weren't that fast. The fun of muscle cars was the same as today's cars, modding them. So really, today's SRT-4's, STi's, and Evo's are very much the same as muscle cars of the 70's. Cheap car + power + modability = muscle car.

srt-4s stis and evos are definatly not cheap lol

[SleeperGoat]

I think he means you can pick them up used with low miles with out spending a fortune.

[disturbedfan121]

if you wanna compare the displacement to HP numbers, rotory's are gonna win hands down, 1.3L making over 1000hp? on 0 pistons, so the v8's lose there too lol