Undercover police vehicles

[Menacing_Gc8]

Alright I dont know you.. but your little "crew" likes to peel out at the lights goin thru town.. I have seen a few of the cars that go to your meets.. I recognize faces fast and i KNOW i have seen them pulling Douchebag moves thru coatesville.. So I will agree the officers here in coatesville can be a bit.. umm.. Obnoxious.. yes,If only you knew how much crap and BS lies they have to put up with from the locals and even people who shouldnt be here you would understand a little more. Not to mention. if you look younger, THEY WLL COME AFTER YOU FOR CURFEW.. that is if you look under 18. HOWEVER had your buddies not pulled dumb moves to warrant CONSTANTLY being watched, then they wouldn't ahve the problems they do now.Secondly, you have some nerve.. If I catch someone doing something stupid.. DAMN RIGHT IMA REPORT THAT ****.. I dont play when it comes to endangering MY life. Btw you really should be careful who you slam on here.. we do have quite a few police officers on here, and they dont stay in the "ask the law" section

Originally Posted by TROLL

...or you could just not do anything illegal and not worry about it. if you are doing anything illegal you've got to accept the potential consequences. if you're wrongly accused of something you can take it to court and prove your case.

+1

Originally Posted by crexxy90

thats definetly entrapment, but honestly half the kids at UTI are morons and deserve all the tickets they get, seems like everyday there will be guys coming in late becuase they decided to haul ass down 100 and get caught

No its not Entrapment in the way its done.. Basically Entrapment entails FORCING you to do something illegal.. THATS entrapment.. grab a damned law book if you dont believe me. Openly asking for a race is NOT entrapment, and if your stupid enough to bite, then oudeserve every ticket, jail time and or impoundment you get for every time you havent learned your lesson. Street racing is ILLEGAL. Take it tto a damn track FFS..I really hope some people took home what happened to Jomes Frend sunday.. yeah it wasnt you THIS TIME.

Originally Posted by egmatt93

this thread sucks. if you get caught pay the ticket. plain and simple its all on you.

THANK YOU .. SOMEONE WITH SOME SENSE

Originally Posted by SE-R Altima

They sit on the turnpike off ramp on south side of rt100 and time you between the two black lines painted on the concrete barrier. Painted lines go up and down the side of the barrier between the two sides of the road.
They also park on the northside by the U-turn entrence to the Industrial park.
They also sit in the first parking lot of the business on Pennsylvania Ave.
And on old township line rd on the other side of the road.

I know many of the kids driving out of UTI floor it to the stoplight at rt100.
People have moved from that area cause of the way the kids where driving on just that part of the road. Also there have been many accidents involving students from that school. Some kids got killed a few years ago.

You just need to drive the speed limit and not rev or race in that part of Uwchlan and upper Uwchlan township. Cause they won't give you a break.

YEah I was a class mate with one of those.. hence why the cops up there dont give breaks.. and ALL the cops in the area really aren't tryin to be a d*ck.. they are concerned for your safety.. THEY ARE PARENTS TOO AND DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO TELL YOUR PARENTS YOUR ARE DEAD!! GET IT?!?!?! you may not be doing anything stupid, but someone on hat road is and its gonna get someone else killed.. next time you get pulled over , dont give any attitude, do as said, and the impounding thing for an out of date insurance card.. they really have no way of knowing if it was recently out of date.. it is an impoundable offense and you should carry your CURRENT info on you for this reason.. what would you do say you got hit, or hit someone?? " oh this is my old card but i swear its currrent" you know how many douchebags that DONT have insurance use that line?

Sorry for the rant, but it was a long time coming.. Im sick of people doing stupid **** and bitching about it giving the rest of us that jsut like to enjoy our cars LEGALLY a bad rep.Seriously.. Slow the **** down, wear your damn seatbelt and Abide by the laws and MAYBE .. JUST MAYBE we wont lose as many loved ones ( friends, brothers sisters and even our own members) as we have in the past year alone.

that all being said, I do know what cars here are undercover or unmarked, and which ones arent.. and even a few in Delaware county that are unmarked.. but I WILL NOT aide you in efforts of warning people who deserve a ticket.

[Scapegoat]

entrapment doesn't result from being forced to do anything.

Consider this... one of the most common examples of possible entrapment.

Female police posing as hookers. They are not allowed to initiate contact with anyone. If they do, they open up that bag of worms and could be hit with entrapment.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e024.htm

A person is 'entrapped' when he is induced or persuaded by law enforcement officers or their agents to commit a crime

there is no force here... they can supply the bait, but the bait can't do anything more than sit there and look appetizing.

A undercover officer in a car, revving and otherwise trying to goad someone into racing them would be grounds for possible "entrapment"

[Menacing_Gc8]

Originally Posted by Scapegoat

entrapment doesn't result from being forced to do anything.

Consider this... one of the most common examples of possible entrapment.

Female police posing as hookers. They are not allowed to initiate contact with anyone. If they do, they open up that bag of worms and could be hit with entrapment.

http://www.lectlaw.com/def/e024.htm



there is no force here... they can supply the bait, but the bait can't do anything more than sit there and look appetizing.

A undercover officer in a car, revving and otherwise trying to goad someone into racing them would be grounds for possible "entrapment"

thats how i meant it to come out.. lol.. Thanks for clarifying it for me ;) basically if the ITR is a officer, he is not breaking any laws by attempting to get you to race, however, and he takes part in said street race, then yes that is entrapment.. thats how I meant it.. but By Openly inviting, then no he isnt.. its really a debatable and thin line on this particular incident really..

But again.. the hooker one is riding that fine line too.. really its all in how they lay the bait.. if they are overly persistent, then yes it could be considered as such,

and sorry if i came across as a bitch in my earlier statement.. im jsut frustrated with people not understanding certain things.. and things i notice day ion and day out which COULD be a possible reason as to why the officers have some people pegged.

[Scapegoat]

no no, the officer cannot extend an invite to commit a crime in any way. if they do so it could be considered entrapment.

Obviously if a "street racer" is going around peeling out all over the place and goading on other cars to race, and the officer comes over and starts revving his engine then there is obvious intent by the "street racer" to race, so it would not be entrapment.

But if I'm driving to the grocery store and an officer comes over and starts revving his engine at me and trying to get me to race... and I, for some stupid reason, decide to peel out at the light I would have a case against entrapment. More than likely I would lose... but it is still possible entrapment.

[BlkWhtTSI]

Originally Posted by SpEcRv9

i was unaware texas is part of pennsylvania.

sometimes i wonder.... but in all seriousness i was joking

[crexxy90]

we live in a litigation happy country so if something sounds odd you can bet their will be a lawsuit, jeez ive heard of people trying to file civil suits over getting bad tattoos!

Most of the people who get pulled over deserve what they get, but i think its pretty american to try and get away with it.


Now i know what the law says abotu entrapment but honestly if some cop roles up to me in an ITR(not ive never seen this car or ever heard of something like this happening) and revs his engine makes the motions like he wants to race and you oblige, im sorry but thats entrapment and the cop deserves the same punishment you get for racing. Same thing with prostitution, a hot female officer posed as a hooker walking the street with a skimpy outfit making motions to try and get you to pick her up... yeah i think thats entrapment regardless of what the law says thats just what i beleive, ive always had a problem with that when you see those hooker stings on cops, and honestly i dont know what it solves anyway.

But then again all of the cops ive met around here are WAY to dignified to be driving around egging you on to race them, and yeah a cop may own an ITR as his PERSONAL car and honestly when their off duty there civilians like the rest of us, but that doesnt mean they wont call you in for being a moron, but anyone can call you in for being a moron.

if you do stupid things youll get caught, and if your doing them around UTI get used getting caught everytime!

[Bam 240sx]

Originally Posted by Evolved

This response is great. As if the cops won't lie in court. I have a spotless driving record and a non existent criminal records yet I am constantly hassled by Birmingham Township cops. I've been pulled over and told my licence plate lights are too bright. I've been told that my exhaust is too loud. When I asked "how is it to loud" the cops response was "it just is". They sit in a gas station on 202 right outside of my work and routinely follow me for a few miles. And on a few occasion have even followed me home. I've had the Sargent tell me to "stay out of his township". These incidents typically don't result in tickets as I'm doing nothing illegal.

what do u drive where they hassle u so much? (pic or modlist would help too)

[crexxy90]

Originally Posted by Bam 240sx

what do u drive where they hassle u so much? (pic or modlist would help too)

i guess some towns havent gotten used to imports yet...

remember in erie like 8 or 9 years ago when people started putting N1's on there cars and they all got pulled over for awhile till they finally learned they were legal.

[Menacing_Gc8]

Originally Posted by Scapegoat

no no, the officer cannot extend an invite to commit a crime in any way. if they do so it could be considered entrapment.

Obviously if a "street racer" is going around peeling out all over the place and goading on other cars to race, and the officer comes over and starts revving his engine then there is obvious intent by the "street racer" to race, so it would not be entrapment.

But if I'm driving to the grocery store and an officer comes over and starts revving his engine at me and trying to get me to race... and I, for some stupid reason, decide to peel out at the light I would have a case against entrapment. More than likely I would lose... but it is still possible entrapment.

very interesting..

Originally Posted by crexxy90

we live in a litigation happy country so if something sounds odd you can bet their will be a lawsuit, jeez ive heard of people trying to file civil suits over getting bad tattoos!

Most of the people who get pulled over deserve what they get, but i think its pretty american to try and get away with it.


Now i know what the law says abotu entrapment but honestly if some cop roles up to me in an ITR(not ive never seen this car or ever heard of something like this happening) and revs his engine makes the motions like he wants to race and you oblige, im sorry but thats entrapment and the cop deserves the same punishment you get for racing. Same thing with prostitution, a hot female officer posed as a hooker walking the street with a skimpy outfit making motions to try and get you to pick her up... yeah i think thats entrapment regardless of what the law says thats just what i beleive, ive always had a problem with that when you see those hooker stings on cops, and honestly i dont know what it solves anyway.

But then again all of the cops ive met around here are WAY to dignified to be driving around egging you on to race them, and yeah a cop may own an ITR as his PERSONAL car and honestly when their off duty there civilians like the rest of us, but that doesnt mean they wont call you in for being a moron, but anyone can call you in for being a moron.

if you do stupid things youll get caught, and if your doing them around UTI get used getting caught everytime!

my point exactly.. and if you go to UTI.. Take it from a former student, your scrutinized over every little thing.. the police there are sick of having to call parents to tell them thier son or daughter is dead.. and they really dont know who is doing what, that school is fairly big so they keep tabs when they can.. jsut dont over accellerate, and use your turn signals and dont drive like an over-all ass-hat and you will be jsut fine.. if you have EVER given them a reason before ( and i'm willing to bet you haveweather or not you realized you were doing it) then they watch you more and constantly annoy you till you mess up again. its a tactic that is needed to combat kids killing themselves and potentially others.. just take it easy keep eye of your surroundings ( since people are morons) and you should be fine.

[Menacing_Gc8]

Originally Posted by crexxy90

i guess some towns havent gotten used to imports yet...

remember in erie like 8 or 9 years ago when people started putting N1's on there cars and they all got pulled over for awhile till they finally learned they were legal.

no.. they are used to them here.. its the amount of kids that came here and started killing themselves and other people racing to and from school that has the police bent out of shape.

and to Bam.. I am guessing it would be an Evo.. hence the name Evolved.. Kinda goin out on a limb there

[Evolved]

Originally Posted by Bam 240sx

what do u drive where they hassle u so much? (pic or modlist would help too)

Originally Posted by Menacing_Gc8

and to Bam.. I am guessing it would be an Evo.. hence the name Evolved.. Kinda goin out on a limb there

Good detective skills.

[juliavk]

Originally Posted by SpEcRv9

lol cerially.

julia you're talking this way to cerial...im not the only one thinking that you're a little too paranoid...like was stated, if you're not doing anything wrong cops have no reason to bother you, but if you and your friends have modified cars, you cant expect the cops to not look at you...

its the price you pay to have a car that stands out and screams, the parts on my car are illegal and or stolen....hey look at me my car is loud.

since you want to go and hurt my feelings , you're the one that looks like a fool "omgz all of the dodges, fords and chevys are all cops"

just like bam said...if they arent in a normal cop/undercover vehicle with red and blue flashing lights, im not pulling over until i get to a populated area....its common sense, and if you are afraid that theyre gonna taze/shoot you because you're not pulling over, call 911 and explain the situation...

it has nothing to do with paranoia, or being too serious. if you read its just a warning. if you also read it it doesn't say that ALL dodge, ford, and chevys are cops.

again come around here with your car and just drive normal, you'll get pulled over for anything even if its just for them to pull you over. its stupid yes i know but some people like to take things like this and just say oh cool thanks.

not be completely neg. and think that its cool to come up with smart ass comments NEWS FLASH being an asshole to a girl gets you no where

peace out tristate.

[silent_dc]

alright so i got sick of reading through all this because its the exact same thing over and over again

first give the girl a break she is just trying to let the innocent kids know that people in her town are getting pulled over for nothing.

second my dad is a state cop, i have a modded car, i went to uti...
the entrapment thing is true, if he's off duty and still tries pulling you over it can go on him. if he tries to race you, its on you, but yes it is still entrapment stupid either way. just don't speed, don't do burnouts. basically don't do **** if you know that you can get caught. do it on backroads (haha just kidding)

its just a post, doesn't need to cause a fight among car enthusiasts

and yes i realize i don't really have much of a say in anything here since i did just sign up a little while ago but have been wondering this forum for about 3 years now and this one just kind of annoyed me.

that yellow type r in exton, my dad knows him and yes he does try to get kids to race but unless he's in uniform he won't pull you over.

[SpEcRv9]

double post.

[SpEcRv9]

well there ya have it, dont race the yellow type r.....cause everyone else apparently does, and then prob just gets busted by the guy when hes on duty...

[Scapegoat]

Originally Posted by juliavk

NEWS FLASH being an asshole to a girl gets you no where

lol... now, we know that sure as hell isn't true!

[silent_dc]

Originally Posted by SpEcRv9

well there ya have it, dont race the yellow type r.....cause everyone else apparently does, and then prob just gets busted by the guy when hes on duty...

pretty much he'll nag your license plate in a flash and pull you over when he sees you. the type r does have lights and everything, because he does drive it while on duty.

Originally Posted by Scapegoat

lol... now, we know that sure as hell isn't true!

now i'm not sticking up for anyone here but just asking a simple question. how is that not true. what's the point of walking all over girls i honestly agree with her saying it doesn't get you anywhere. think about it though if you're a complete asshole to a girl...that leaves you looking like a jerk and not gettin laid. just my .02 on that.

[Scapegoat]

Originally Posted by silent_dc

now i'm not sticking up for anyone here but just asking a simple question. how is that not true. what's the point of walking all over girls i honestly agree with her saying it doesn't get you anywhere. think about it though if you're a complete asshole to a girl...that leaves you looking like a jerk and not gettin laid. just my .02 on that.

seriously?

[SpEcRv9]

Originally Posted by Scapegoat

seriously?

dude, we just missed out on some young jawn...all we had to do was be nice.

thats super cereal.

[silent_dc]

Originally Posted by Scapegoat

seriously?

like i said just my .02 wasn't calling anyone out on anything. its pointless find them say it to their face don't hid behind a monitor.