Sign this petition keeping Government control OUT of healthcare

[OutlawzPrez]

So I just got done reading some more of this 1017 page bill & I've noticed that alot of it deals with penalties, taxes & fines. It seems like another back door way for the gov't to make money off us.

[OutlawzPrez]

Here's another thing that I just got done reading from the bill. I would like to copy & paste alot of this but pdf file viewer won't let me.

Page 336 "(VI) other measures of outcomes & patient quality of life as determined by the secretary.

[poolmike]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...share_facebook

[OutlawzPrez]

Great find my friend

[Proven]

Originally Posted by Z31Fanatic

If you knew about the taxes then why didn't you mention them when you were praising the program?
Is it because it wouldn't have sounded as good?

I seriously figured I was dealing with logical and educated people considering they had such strong opinions on what the “facts” were. I figured everyone knew how tax and rebates worked. My fault for thinking you all knew stuff other then what news articles tell you.

Maybe that’s Obama biggest mistake in general. He made the mistake of over estimating the logical abilities of the American people and how media would affect them.

[Proven]

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

No different than the extreme and misconstrued examples of propaganda used by the left.

Fair enough, but also glad you agreed dude in video was "extreme and misconstrued". I bugs me that all that BS (lie's / twisted truth) is what is fueling the guy in the video. Everything he is worried about isn’t true. He has been educated by “right” media and has a clear inability to use logical sense to form his own opnion. NOW other puppets will see that video and most likely think “wow, he’s really upset, and WOW I didn’t know that the elderly and handicap will be loosing coverage, there’s NO WAY I’m for this bill now.” And the cycle continues. The right and the media itself has planted a seed that got blown wayyy out of proportion. Its pathetic.

These tactics whether used by the right or left are unethical and misinforming, I agree!

[Proven]

Originally Posted by OutlawzPrez

So I just got done reading some more of this 1017 page bill & I've noticed that alot of it deals with penalties, taxes & fines. It seems like another back door way for the gov't to make money off us.

Your still working on finishing the bill that you have a petition to stop? Your kidding right? PLEASE tell me you just remembered and didn't just read... please?

[OutlawzPrez]

I agree that he did go overboard & could of addressed the senator more comly. But this also is a prime example of people getting fed up with large gov't take over & record breaking spending. Rule #1. YOU NEVER SPEND YOUR WAY OUT OF DEBT!

[OutlawzPrez]

Originally Posted by Proven

Your still working on finishing the bill that you have a petition to stop? Your kidding right? PLEASE tell me you just remembered and didn't just read... please?

I bet you didn't read alot of the bill my friend. And I did read it, took quite some time though. Obviously I can't remember everything so I go back & read it again & again & again.

[Proven]

Originally Posted by OutlawzPrez

Here's another thing that I just got done reading from the bill. I would like to copy & paste alot of this but pdf file viewer won't let me.

Page 336 "(VI) other measures of outcomes & patient quality of life as determined by the secretary.

When you say Secretary please explain to your followers that the lady doing her nails at the front desk isn’t deciding whether you live or die... Also explain that your current greedy health insurance is the one deciding whether you live or die now! (Or not having insurance at all is a death sentence in itself.)

Then explain to your people that this decision is decided when someone is terminal and going to die! It’s a decision to either keep dumping money into testing or start planning for the funeral. If you wish to have money dumped into unnecessary testing go by poolmikes modo and pay for it yourself (considering you had free/ very cheap insurance prior with this plan!.)

[Proven]

Originally Posted by OutlawzPrez

I bet you didn't read alot of the bill my friend. And I did read it, took quite some time though. Obviously I can't remember everything so I go back & read it again & again & again.

Sorry, when you said “Here's another thing that I just got done reading from the bill” it really sounded like your still working on it.

I did read the bill and it was brutal, hard to read, and easy to misinterpret. I read it with an open and clear mind and made my own decision on whether it was good or not. I deicided it sounds good and although it does have some holes that need to be filled (as mentioned by lefties and Obama himself) it seems like a solid platform for a successfully run government run plan.

Maybe if I skimmed threw it with a bias agenda (against Obama, against democrat in general) I would also be able to pick, pull, and twists statements into it being an evil plot.

[Z31Fanatic]

I like it when Obama goes on vacation.
We haven't added any debt to the deficit in almost a week! WOOHOO

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by Proven

(Or not having insurance at all is a death sentence in itself.)

Then explain to your people that this decision is decided when someone is terminal and going to die! It’s a decision to either keep dumping money into testing or start planning for the funeral. If you wish to have money dumped into unnecessary testing go by poolmikes modo and pay for it yourself (considering you had free/ very cheap insurance prior with this plan!.)

Proven=successfully brainwashed.

[Proven]

Originally Posted by poolmike

Proven=successfully brainwashed.

Brainwashing: consists of any effort aimed at instilling certain attitudes and beliefs in a person.

Ad’s, new articles, TV shows, etc. getting people thinking that Obama wants to take healthcare coverage AWAY from people, Obama wants to put granny to death, Obama WANTS to give 15 million imagrants healthcare coverage, Obama had a hidden agenda with cash for clunkers, Obama is the next hitler, etc etc etc is a form of brainwashing.

Having a clear enough head to realize all that is BS and twisted truth is not someone who is a product of being brainwashed, your wrong.

[ILLJIM69]

Originally Posted by Proven

Brainwashing: consists of any effort aimed at instilling certain attitudes and beliefs in a person.

Ad’s, new articles, TV shows, etc. getting people thinking that Obama wants to take healthcare coverage AWAY from people, Obama wants to put granny to death, Obama WANTS to give 15 million imagrants healthcare coverage, Obama had a hidden agenda with cash for clunkers, Obama is the next hitler, etc etc etc is a form of brainwashing.

Having a clear enough head to realize all that is BS and twisted truth is not someone who is a product of being brainwashed, your wrong.

How about all the ads and lies used from Obama and the liberals? A public option is needed? It won't raise taxes? Obama isn't a socialist? I can keep going, I think you're smart enough to know that lies and brainwashing were used on both sides.

Dude, the lefties are now using Ted Kennedy as a martyr for their government run health care plan. The man was a drunk, a murderer and many other things that aren't so nice. Nice pick Dems, LULZ!

[OutlawzPrez]

Originally Posted by ILLJIM69

How about all the ads and lies used from Obama and the liberals? A public option is needed? It won't raise taxes? Obama isn't a socialist? I can keep going, I think you're smart enough to know that lies and brainwashing were used on both sides.

Dude, the lefties are now using Ted Kennedy as a martyr for their government run health care plan. The man was a drunk, a murderer and many other things that aren't so nice. Nice pick Dems, LULZ!

Right on man. Kudo's for the good intel.

[Z31Fanatic]

Again, using emotions instead of logic.
Every week they try a different strategy and every week they fail


CHANGE!
HOPE!

[OutlawzPrez]

Here's another fact for all you people who support this bill. Did u read this Proven?

(STARTING ON PAGE 424) SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION

[Proven]

Originally Posted by OutlawzPrez

Here's another fact for all you people who support this bill. Did u read this Proven?

(STARTING ON PAGE 424) SEC. 1233. ADVANCE CARE PLANNING CONSULTATION

I sure did,

ADVANCE CARE PLANNING - is basically for everyone to meet with their doctors on a 5 year basis to discuss end of life practices such as your WILL, do not resuscitate (spelling) orders, care you would like to receive if you are incoherent at the time, etc. This is a session where YOU decide.

This is a great thing because not many get to make these decisions because it’s to late. Then family is stuck with the burden to sort out the WILL, decide whether or not to “pull the plug”, etc etc… How the HELL you think there is anything wrong with that is beyond me.

What else you got? Maybe a story how Obama saved a kitten from a tree but that same kitten wasn’t born in America?

[OutlawzPrez]

But there is a "limit" on what treatment/s & or care u can recieve determined by the secretary.