Very Serious Issue. PA public transit users please read.

[99SL2_Modder]

Your train is about to be derailed!
Your bus is about to run out of fuel!

If we don't get adequate, dedicated funding for septa by september, fares will rise by an average of 30% and service will be cut by 20%.

Examples:
-The cash fare will go up from $2.00 to $2.50, an increase of 25%
-Transfers will be eliminated so a token and transfer will go up from $1.90 to 2.80, an increase of 47%
-A weekly transpass will go up from $18.75 to $25.00, an increase of 33%
-A monthly transpass will go up from $70 to $105, an increase of 57%
-Zones 1 and 2 on the regional rail will be merged. A monthly combined zone 1/2 regional rail pass will go up from $70(zone1) or $106(zone2) to $143.50, an increase of 105% and 35%
-Many buses that now run every thirty minutes will now run ever sixty(route 27) or seventy minutes(route 22). Buses will be so full that many passengers will have to stand.
-Many trips will be eliminated (Three morning and 3 evening trips will be eliminated on route 35)
-Saturday service will follow the current Sunday schedule on many routes
-Sunday service on many routes will be heavily reduced or discontinued (route 19)

But you can put transit back on track!

-Rally for transit! Thursday, May 31st 12pm (noon), Dilworth Plaza (west side of city hall)
-Call or email your legislators now!
-Sign the petition: No legislative transit without public transit. We demand that legislators give up their free transit until they solve our transit problem. Sign online at http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/ptc1


Guys, this isn't a joke. If I'm getting this information, it's gonna happen. If you want to actually call/email legislators, I will post up all 203 names of our senators and representatives with names, phone numbers, and emails/websites.

[MuddyREX]

Public transit in this city is a joke. They really need to work something out, before they go bankrupt and end up making the fares more ridiculous then they already are.

[Twin_Cam]

We on this board are proof of why mass transit in this country will never work. We love our vehicles too much.

[MuddyREX]

But for some that live in the city, it's the best option. I would hate to see those people suffer because Septa can't get it right.

[redline]

Yes this is BS, my stepdad is legally blind and needs a bus to get to work as he can't get a license. long story short he might have to quit because they are scragging his bus stop due to cost! 20 years at a company, 60+ hours a week and leave it to PA to ruin it for another hardworking american!

[sleepersatty99]

well Septa is one of the top 5 biggest mass transt companys here in the nation and yet they still cant make ends meet. i really hope the state does an audit of them. cause i think there spending is out of control. and the public has to pay for there mistakes. which i think is total BS

[redline]

Originally Posted by sleepersatty99

well Septa is one of the top 5 biggest mass transt companys here in the nation and yet they still cant make ends meet. i really hope the state does an audit of them. cause i think there spending is out of control. and the public has to pay for there mistakes. which i think is total BS

Bingo, people need to stand up and be heard! Audit their ass

[sleepersatty99]

well the GOV Rendell said last year that he was asking for them to be audit because they should be makeing a big profit off of us. and let those big wig in the front offices take a pay-cut insted of a pay raise or a bouns. and i bet not one of them front office people even take septa. bunce of fat A**'*

[99SL2_Modder]

You guys really know very very little about the internal workings of septa.

Do you know how much a god damn bus costs? Or how much the repairs on them are?

I think you all need a reality check. It's not SEPTA's fault that the government won't give them the money.

[MuddyREX]

Originally Posted by 99SL2_Modder

You guys really know very very little about the internal workings of septa.

Do you know how much a god damn bus costs? Or how much the repairs on them are?

I think you all need a reality check. It's not SEPTA's fault that the government won't give them the money.

The government should not have to "rescue" a company that has a monopoly of transportation in the region. What is sad is that Septa cannot run their business, and that the government will have to step in so that it's city will continue to have public transportation.

I understand that parts cost a lot, but if that's the reason, then how come this issue isn't happening across the country with public transit? Hell, EVERY company has to deal with rising costs, but they restructure, reorganize, and make it happen. Gas costs so damn much right now that people are driving less and using public transportation more. In theory they should be making more money, right?

I don't want to hear about the inner workings of a business and it's costs, like they are the only business that has problems with rising costs. They need to take a big look at themselves, instead of waiting to be rescued by Philadelphia taxpayers.

[99SL2_Modder]

Originally Posted by MuddyREX

The government should not have to "rescue" a company that has a monopoly of transportation in the region. What is sad is that Septa cannot run their business, and that the government will have to step in so that it's city will continue to have public transportation.

I understand that parts cost a lot, but if that's the reason, then how come this issue isn't happening across the country with public transit? Hell, EVERY company has to deal with rising costs, but they restructure, reorganize, and make it happen. Gas costs so damn much right now that people are driving less and using public transportation more. In theory they should be making more money, right?

I don't want to hear about the inner workings of a business and it's costs, like they are the only business that has problems with rising costs. They need to take a big look at themselves, instead of waiting to be rescued by Philadelphia taxpayers.

...SEPTA isn't being rescued.

But maybe you should read up.

SEPTA is funded by the government. It always has been. If the government is not giving out enough money, then they're going to have an issue. We all know that the government doesn't allot monies to the places that they should go.

But, of course, since you know all, maybe you could suggest something better? Restructure us. Fix it and be the hero, because apparently, no one else has bothered to try, right?

As far as parts costs, I have no idea how state run facilities do it. Maybe their allotments are better, or maybe their systems are designed differently. I mean, if a portion of the riding public weren't vandals or criminals, we wouldn't be bothering with half of the **** that's on the buses. The security, the black boxes, and now the cameras being brought up because of the 33 incident. But then again, we can't put the cameras in because the riding public would either A) whine about the costs of cameras being put in, B) cry about their privacy, or C) both. You want security, but you whine when it's brought up. So then you complain when some guy gets shot in the head right in front of your face, but still complain about cameras getting put in the bus. The riding public is retarded.

Originally Posted by sleepersatty99

we know the prices are high but WE shope around to get the best prices. and im sure if you in a large quanity you will get a discount. and stop hiring people if you dont have the money

Buying in bulk for these won't cut a discount. We can't shop around, because our application is different and has to be bought from a select group.

Oh, and hiring? Ok, SEPTA had mass hirings at certain points in years past. These people are coming up in the end of their tenure and are retiring shortly. They're hiring early to train up the ranks. Yes, it's an overlap, but it's better than being short staffed and having buses being put on hold for too long.

[MuddyREX]

Originally Posted by 99SL2_Modder

SEPTA is funded by the government. It always has been. If the government is not giving out enough money, then they're going to have an issue. We all know that the government doesn't allot monies to the places that they should go.

Hey, did you hear that? That was Muddy inserting his foot into his mouth.

I'm not surprised that Septa is all fubared then.....but either way, it needs a huge overhaul to pull itself out of it's projected $100million+ defecit by 2008.

[Chair-Force]

Originally Posted by 99SL2_Modder

You guys really know very very little about the internal workings of septa.

Do you know how much a god damn bus costs? Or how much the repairs on them are?

I think you all need a reality check. It's not SEPTA's fault that the government won't give them the money.

A guy in my squadron has worked for Septa for a lonnnnnnnng time. He loves how people blame the city and state for SEPTA's problems. In reality, its all union made propaganda. SEPTA's union will be the death of SEPTA. "Hey our company is hurtin, LETZ GO ON STRIKE FO MO MONEY!!! HELLS YEAHHHHH!"

After SEPTA emplodes, the poor people left walking to "work" should pick up trash along their route. I hate running over garbage in my car.

[wrx_snobordr]

Originally Posted by Chair-Force

A guy in my squadron has worked for Septa for a lonnnnnnnng time. He loves how people blame the city and state for SEPTA's problems. In reality, its all union made propaganda. SEPTA's union will be the death of SEPTA. "Hey our company is hurtin, LETZ GO ON STRIKE FO MO MONEY!!! HELLS YEAHHHHH!"

After SEPTA emplodes, the poor people left walking to "work" should pick up trash along their route. I hate running over garbage in my car.

Pretty much the crutch of my long rant above. Unions FTL.

[Chair-Force]

Originally Posted by wrx_snobordr

Pretty much the crutch of my long rant above. Unions FTL.

I should have just quoted you and wrote "Ditto". I have a short attention span and your reply was quite long.

For us non-text msg'ers, can you define what FTL means?

[wrx_snobordr]

Originally Posted by Chair-Force

I should have just quoted you and wrote "Ditto". I have a short attention span and your reply was quite long.

For us non-text msg'ers, can you define what FTL means?

HA HA For The Lose.

I do not HATE unions, some of them are run very well, but by and large they completely ignore some key business rules. One of them being the law of diminishing returns. They do not follow the accepted rules for employee levels so that each employee is utilized to their maximum extent. Instead of hiring one guy and training him to be proficient in many areas, they hire one guy and make him proficient in one. In some cases guys are not allowed to do a different job, it is forbidden. Some jobs that could easily be handled by one or two guys instead are handled by 5 or 6.

great example was the Philly convention center. Until recently, after some hard fought battles were won to improve its attractiveness to event planners, it was a mess. It took no less than 4 guys to put a poster on a easel. 1 guy takes the easel and poster off the truck, another takes the easel from the loading dock to the point of display, another guy to stand the easel up, a 4th to carry the sign from the loading dock and place it on the easel. Now, why does that take 4 guys? Obviously they realized this and cut it down, but many companies that are union still operate this way. You can't run that inneficiently and then when profit levels are not reach or worse, in SEPTAS case, you are running a deficit, go and complain that it is all managements fault. Managements hands are tied by the union.

[sherwood]

long live jersey

[GyrlSpeedRT]

Yeah, I can't understand how a company goes up on fares every so many years and still is in the hole. And as everypne says we have to suffer. Mind you, I live in Mt. Airy and work in Center City so it's perfect. But if they plan on going up, I'll just find a job that I can drive to...why spend the $25+ dollars waiting on the bus when I can be in my own car without others leaning on me or stinky. It's ridiculous, but they know they can do because too many people rely on Septa. EVen if they go up, people will have to take it on the chin because everyone or even half the people can't afford vehicles, let alone insurance AND maintenance.

[99SL2_Modder]

Originally Posted by GyrlSpeedRT

Yeah, I can't understand how a company goes up on fares every so many years and still is in the hole. And as everypne says we have to suffer. Mind you, I live in Mt. Airy and work in Center City so it's perfect. But if they plan on going up, I'll just find a job that I can drive to...why spend the $25+ dollars waiting on the bus when I can be in my own car without others leaning on me or stinky. It's ridiculous, but they know they can do because too many people rely on Septa. EVen if they go up, people will have to take it on the chin because everyone or even half the people can't afford vehicles, let alone insurance AND maintenance.

$500k buses can attribute to that...what with the public crying out for new technology and hybrids.

Along with rising fuel costs. Being that we have 120gal fuel tanks.

Oh, did I mention that the cost of parts is ridiculous? OH! Did I mention that there's very very very few manufacturers of buses so that they can set the price to whatever they want?

OH! We changed the design of the bus to be more friendly to handicapped people. Well, because we decided to make it easier for handicapped to use the bus, we had to change the entire driveline.

Did I mention the cost of parts again?

How about the costs for redesigning axles with triple gear reduction done in seperate housings? We can't fit a regular pumpkin under those low-floors, mind you.

OH! And you all like to be comfortable in the bus, right? Need that expensive-ass refrigerant...R22! Can't cool that thing off properly without it.

The list goes on, guys. You're tuners, you should know that the price of parts is high as hell.

[Scapegoat]

Originally Posted by 99SL2_Modder

$500k buses can attribute to that...what with the public crying out for new technology and hybrids.

Along with rising fuel costs. Being that we have 120gal fuel tanks.

Oh, did I mention that the cost of parts is ridiculous? OH! Did I mention that there's very very very few manufacturers of buses so that they can set the price to whatever they want?

OH! We changed the design of the bus to be more friendly to handicapped people. Well, because we decided to make it easier for handicapped to use the bus, we had to change the entire driveline.

Did I mention the cost of parts again?

How about the costs for redesigning axles with triple gear reduction done in seperate housings? We can't fit a regular pumpkin under those low-floors, mind you.

OH! And you all like to be comfortable in the bus, right? Need that expensive-ass refrigerant...R22! Can't cool that thing off properly without it.

The list goes on, guys. You're tuners, you should know that the price of parts is high as hell.