f20 swap

[jules]

any1 know some1 with this swap in an accord i am stuck between an f20b and an h22a budget wise i'm more attracted to the f20 since it's online for 750.00 vs h22 and 1975.00 if you do know any1 what ecu are they using..

thanks

[JerseyAccord]

An f20 swap is going to run you about 4k+ while a h22 will prob run you 2500-3000k. The f20b is just the euro type-r motor. For that you will need the matching f20b trans and ecu or you can put a f22,f23,h22,h23 trans onto it as they are all interchangable. Also if you plan to build the motor parts are more expensive as american companies do not carry them since that is not a common motor in the us. For price wise, power wise, and aftermarket wise h22 is the way to go.

[DC2.2GSR]

Originally Posted by JerseyAccord

An f20 swap is going to run you about 4k+ while a h22 will prob run you 2500-3000k. The f20b is just the euro type-r motor. For that you will need the matching f20b trans and ecu or you can put a f22,f23,h22,h23 trans onto it as they are all interchangable. Also if you plan to build the motor parts are more expensive as american companies do not carry them since that is not a common motor in the us. For price wise, power wise, and aftermarket wise h22 is the way to go.

got that mixed up dude. F20B is a Euro Accord motor but not the 'Accord Euro R' motor. that's the H23A. that's the expensive one. F20B's are cheap. if i was you i'd just do the H22 into your accord. hell, buy my H22A. lol

[JerseyAccord]

Originally Posted by 95_GSR

got that mixed up dude. F20B is a Euro Accord motor but not the 'Accord Euro R' motor. that's the H23A. that's the expensive one. F20B's are cheap. if i was you i'd just do the H22 into your accord. hell, buy my H22A. lol

The f20B is the euro-r motor. the h23a vtec is the euro sir motor while the h23a non-vtec was the usdm lude si motor.

I never understand why the usdm preludes had the h22a for the normal prelude (besides the low model f22 models) but the si's had the less powerful h23a motor?

[streetAssasin96]

i knew someone who had a whole boosted f20 setup ready to go, and then he felt the torque of an H and now the whole setup is sold and he has a H23/H22 frank. just an idea

[jdeghatchy]

i had the h22 swap in the accord.it was nice and moved pretty good.my boy had a f20b in a eg hatch and that moved really good as well.basically its a judgement call on your part.and you can run a very nice basicchrome chip in a p28 or p06(my personal choice) for cheap.hit me up in pm if interested.later,jay

[jules]

so far i have found f20b's for about 750.00 and h22's for double or even triple that here's what i found. oh i have an ex accord tranny which i'll b using.this is going to be my dd so no boosting just i/h/e and that's it got a dsm for boosting. here are the prices i've found. h22a 1690.00 :h23a 1490.00 :
f20b750.00...
http://www.jdmtigerjapanese.com/inde...d&filter_id=20

another website.

30013 - F20B 97-98 Long Block
Approx 200Hp 145Trq 11.0 Compression (JDM)
$ 999.00 Plus shipping and handling.

30016 - H22A 92-95 Motor, Tranny, Computer
200Hp 161Trq 10.6 Compression (JDM)
$ 1899.00 Plus shipping and handling.

[Vince@R/TTuning]

i have a JDM H22 here in stock...no trans or ecu but i can get ya one...ill let it go for 1100.00 let me know

[pearl]

are you trying to do the "g23" swap? the older f23 series accord motors with a h22 vtec head?

ive had a couple of local friends do this swap.
check this thread out: http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1046336

heres a dyno plot of someone with just a f23 block and a non-vtec h23 head:
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/we...ZkMzF5NTQx.jpg

200whp, 183wtq nonVTEC
87mm bore 97mm stroke (overbored F23 shortblock)
11.7 compression
DC header w/ 2.5" collector and dented down pipe
Custom 2.5" mandrel bent exhaust
Crower Stage 3 nonVTEC cams
RM springs/retainers
Adjustable cam gears
MSD SCI ignition w/ Blaster SS coil (dyno proven to be good for 1.5hp *everywhere*)
Mobile 1 10w30 oil
Prelude 345cc injectors (woefully inadequate at sea level)
4th gear pulls

if you are talking about something else, my bad

[JerseyAccord]

Originally Posted by jules

so far i have found f20b's for about 750.00 and h22's for double or even triple that here's what i found. oh i have an ex accord tranny which i'll b using.this is going to be my dd so no boosting just i/h/e and that's it got a dsm for boosting. here are the prices i've found. h22a 1690.00 :h23a 1490.00 :
f20b750.00...
http://www.jdmtigerjapanese.com/inde...d&filter_id=20

another website.

30013 - F20B 97-98 Long Block
Approx 200Hp 145Trq 11.0 Compression (JDM)
$ 999.00 Plus shipping and handling.

30016 - H22A 92-95 Motor, Tranny, Computer
200Hp 161Trq 10.6 Compression (JDM)
$ 1899.00 Plus shipping and handling.

But look you are comparing f20b motors to h22a motor, tranny, and ecu packages. If you get the f20b you need a ecu, and trans to bolt to it.

Originally Posted by pearl

are you trying to do the "g23" swap? the older f23 series accord motors with a h22 vtec head?

ive had a couple of local friends do this swap.
check this thread out: http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1046336

heres a dyno plot of someone with just a f23 block and a non-vtec h23 head:
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/we...ZkMzF5NTQx.jpg

200whp, 183wtq nonVTEC
87mm bore 97mm stroke (overbored F23 shortblock)
11.7 compression
DC header w/ 2.5" collector and dented down pipe
Custom 2.5" mandrel bent exhaust
Crower Stage 3 nonVTEC cams
RM springs/retainers
Adjustable cam gears
MSD SCI ignition w/ Blaster SS coil (dyno proven to be good for 1.5hp *everywhere*)
Mobile 1 10w30 oil
Prelude 345cc injectors (woefully inadequate at sea level)
4th gear pulls

if you are talking about something else, my bad

I have so considered this swap and i might just do it, who knows

[pearl]

that motor setup i posted costed 400 dollars. he later added the aftermarket cams and such, but if you had the parts around its supposed to be an easy swap.

[JerseyAccord]

Originally Posted by pearl

that motor setup i posted costed 400 dollars. he later added the aftermarket cams and such, but if you had the parts around its supposed to be an easy swap.

Well yeah the 5th gen accord comes with the f22. The f23 is the from the 6th gen accords and is basically the same motor only tweaked here and there and made a 2.3L instead of a 2.2L. Then just put a h23 or h22 head on it. Hardest thing ive heard about with the swap is when putting on the head you have to block off a oil line or something, i haven't read about the motor in over a year. But its a great motor for boost. There was a kid who had it in his accord w/ boost and was hitting 15lbs daily no prob. Was great till the car was stolen and the kids instead of stealing the motor and turbo they cut the lines, and beat parts and the motor with bats and crowbars. They only took the audio.

I've thought about it since its a much cheaper build and its a good motor set-up. You can also use the f22 block and just put the h series head on it the same. Its kinda awesome how f and h series for the most part bolt right up and are interchangable.

[jules]

problem is my motor has 190k on the clock all i want is a cool dd not another "project car" i have 1 already and when things go wrong it takes time.. from what i understand i don't need a tranny for f20 swap just motor and ecu that's it everything from h22 fits this car...

[JerseyAccord]

F and H series motors and transmissions (Excluding the S2k's F20C) are all interchangeable.

Also a major problem with the g series motor is supposedly the motors only last about a year before just dying

[jules]

that's exaclty why i don't want a hybrid my boy had a ls/vtec went to the track on the way back it died don't know what happend it needed a rebuild. i'd rather drop a motor in and do basic bolt ons and call it a day and have a nice peppy accord 4dr. that just happens to redline at 8k...

[ludedude1993]

Originally Posted by jules

any1 know some1 with this swap in an accord i am stuck between an f20b and an h22a budget wise i'm more attracted to the f20 since it's online for 750.00 vs h22 and 1975.00 if you do know any1 what ecu are they using..

thanks

...Ok.... you need to get an F22A6...direct fitment into your accord....

TURBO it with a DSM (Eclipse, Talon) turbo manifold, turbo....get n intercooler kit.....DSM 450cc injectors...chip tune the ecu...bov..oil lines..n other misc..all that seriusly should run you no more than 1,000$

ask questions if you want!

[jules]

nah i just want something to drive around in that has some pep and my wife can drive and not worry about turbo lines blowing off, boost leak, and the other misc. things with turbo cars, + i already have a dsm gutted--so no need for that.. looks like f20 is the way to go and obd conversion harness..

[jules]

o now i have an even bigger question on the same site they now have both the h22a and f20b at the same price the 1k question is what ecu do i use with either of these motors i was told gsr ecu would work is that true