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2g Talon · 03-12-2014, 12:56 PM

Hey guys, I had a quick question. I am supposed to be mediating a family member who is selling their car to someone. I know both parties personally, so the issue isn't with that. My question is, the vehicle is currently titled in Delaware, but the new owner lives in PA. I know that the new owner can just go to a tag store and do MV-4ST to transfer the ownership to them. My question was, I know PA has a gifting form so that the new owner does not need to pay sales tax on it, but since its a DE title, is there a Delaware form I need to fill out?
I know that if you do the gifting form through PA, you do not need to file the Use tax that is something like $6 on top of the sales tax Which would be about $600 (selling price is $10,000). Any ideas on what I should look for? I am looking to do this next Monday, so there is some time.

Also, what boxes on the title need to be signed by the original owner to transfer?

Thanks guys!

camopaint0707 · 03-12-2014, 06:04 PM

I'm just curious why you don't just go to an actual notary to get a definite answer. But you can do it all at a notary in PA. They can file everything for you for both states.

Keith6110 · 03-12-2014, 06:59 PM

I haven't done gifting before, but are you sure they do not make you pay fair value worth of taxes that way?

Usually I get the seller to write 1000 or something for taxes sake when buying a 4-5k car.

yellow2000S/R · 03-12-2014, 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Keith6110

I haven't done gifting before, but are you sure they do not make you pay fair value worth of taxes that way?

Usually I get the seller to write 1000 or something for taxes sake when buying a 4-5k car.

Which is illegal and although I've knocked maybe 10-15% off actual purchase price when at the notary, I do know of a few people that have been nailed and had to pay taxes to the book value months later (not on anything I've purchased/fixed/resold tho).

Did you know in PA you're limited to the purchase/resale of 5 vehicles per year before you need to get a dealers license?

camopaint0707 · 03-12-2014, 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by yellow2000S/R

Which is illegal and although I've knocked maybe 10-15% off actual purchase price when at the notary, I do know of a few people that have been nailed and had to pay taxes to the book value months later (not on anything I've purchased/fixed/resold tho).

Did you know in PA you're limited to the purchase/resale of 5 vehicles per year before you need to get a dealers license?

are you really??

yellow2000S/R · 03-12-2014, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by camopaint0707

are you really??

Yea, at least like 2 years ago when I was really searching the requirements to become a 'legit' dealership.

Most I've ever done was 3 vehicle in a year tho.

camopaint0707 · 03-12-2014, 10:53 PM

I might have done 5 before.

2g Talon · 03-14-2014, 11:53 PM

Reason why i didn't go to a notary is because 1. I'm not going to be in the state when I acquire the title. I'll be in New York, and 2. I wanted to see if anyone here had done it personally. I've gone to title places that know a **** load less than I do about this, and they are supposedly "experts". So basically i'm hearing that it doesn't really matter if the title is originally from Delaware, as long as it is gifted through the PA paperwork. Is that a fair assumption?

jpalamar · 04-05-2014, 01:02 PM

Seems like your doing this the hardest way possible. Have both parties go to a tag place together. Problem solved.

03-12-2014, 12:56 PM	#1
2g Talon Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Wales, PA Member #23531 My Ride: 2014 Focus ST iTrader: (0)	PA/DE Title info Hey guys, I had a quick question. I am supposed to be mediating a family member who is selling their car to someone. I know both parties personally, so the issue isn't with that. My question is, the vehicle is currently titled in Delaware, but the new owner lives in PA. I know that the new owner can just go to a tag store and do MV-4ST to transfer the ownership to them. My question was, I know PA has a gifting form so that the new owner does not need to pay sales tax on it, but since its a DE title, is there a Delaware form I need to fill out? I know that if you do the gifting form through PA, you do not need to file the Use tax that is something like $6 on top of the sales tax Which would be about $600 (selling price is $10,000). Any ideas on what I should look for? I am looking to do this next Monday, so there is some time. Also, what boxes on the title need to be signed by the original owner to transfer? Thanks guys! __________________ 2014 Ford Focus ST - Ingot Silver Metallic Heavily modded...

03-12-2014, 06:04 PM	#2
camopaint0707 Tri-State Addict Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Central PA Member #15749 My Ride: 2007 Holden Cruze iTrader: (1)	I'm just curious why you don't just go to an actual notary to get a definite answer. But you can do it all at a notary in PA. They can file everything for you for both states. __________________ 2007 Cobalt 1995 Integra 1997 F150 2004 F150

03-12-2014, 10:53 PM	#7
camopaint0707 Tri-State Addict Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Central PA Member #15749 My Ride: 2007 Holden Cruze iTrader: (1)	I might have done 5 before. __________________ 2007 Cobalt 1995 Integra 1997 F150 2004 F150

03-14-2014, 11:53 PM	#8
2g Talon Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: North Wales, PA Member #23531 My Ride: 2014 Focus ST iTrader: (0)	Reason why i didn't go to a notary is because 1. I'm not going to be in the state when I acquire the title. I'll be in New York, and 2. I wanted to see if anyone here had done it personally. I've gone to title places that know a **** load less than I do about this, and they are supposedly "experts". So basically i'm hearing that it doesn't really matter if the title is originally from Delaware, as long as it is gifted through the PA paperwork. Is that a fair assumption? __________________ 2014 Ford Focus ST - Ingot Silver Metallic Heavily modded...

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