my little problem...

[iRaTruPlaya]

ok so im sure buy now u know what kind of car i ahve.. i found a garret turbo kit for it...( http://www.turbobygarrett.com/turbob...kits/VW20.html )it makes 188hp and 203lb now i also found a neuspeed s/c kit.... http://www.neuspeed.com/products/product_details.asp?app=33|G4&type=11&ltype=ns_eur o&p_id=619
and this makes 135hp and no tq reading but it also has a pullie upgrade that was not dynoed. but adds another 3 pounds of boost both are almost the same price so what would you go with?

[teh DIRT]

id go super, itd be different and more reliable

[BlackBulletTSi]

ha told ya

[On Sale]

told ya too dan, SC it, dont go turbo. everyone will just think its another 1.8t

[iRaTruPlaya]

yeah that is what i originally wanted to go with... but i seen the turbo kit and wanted a second/3rd/18th opnion

[KrautFed20V]

turbo it... a little more headaches, but definetly worth it once it's tuned properly

[US_R33]

you need to get that ridiculous quote out of your signature now

the fact that you even put an apology to "anyone who gets offended by that" clearly shows that you know it shouldn't be there

[highmilehatch]

Originally Posted by US_R33

you need to get that ridiculous quote out of your signature now

the fact that you even put an apology to "anyone who gets offended by that" clearly shows that you know it shouldn't be there

Agreed. That's pretty messed up.

[su_maverick]

It always depends on what you want out of your car performance wise

Turbos- more for mid to high rpm ranges. this is ideal for track racing and drag
Superchargers- low end to mid rpm ranges. this is ideal for autox and street driving

always build your car for how you are going to drive it.

[S4toSTI]

Boys calm down, i have been in his presense and he didn't try to put me in a oven so he is cool with us jews. Freedom of speech and all. Remember the first amendment doesn't only cover the speech we like but the speech we hate as well.

[US_R33]

Originally Posted by S4toSTI

Boys calm down, i have been in his presense and he didn't try to put me in a oven so he is cool with us jews. Freedom of speech and all. Remember the first amendment doesn't only cover the speech we like but the speech we hate as well.

while i don't disagree with the first amendment his quote in his signature is still vastly inappropriate and at the very least i think he should be warned by the admin.....there are guidelines as to what is permitted to be posted on the boards

[iRaTruPlaya]

ok well i took the quote out.. i knew not everyone was going to like it but i found it to be funny thats all i meant by it. i have no real racial problems with anyone but back on topic.... i think im going to go with the s/c option just cuz i cant stand turbo lag.... and it seems to fit my driving style a lil more and previously owning an american car im kinda s/c bias.... but nothin is as cool as the BOV sound a turbo makes. btw thanks s4 for sticking up 4 me

[su_maverick]

SC's are tons of fun and you can always add more power to them as well. Turbos just get all the pub because they can make dyno queens.

[KrautFed20V]

dependent on the size of the turbo lag really isn't an issue, but to each their own. i'm just not a fan of neuspeed, or abd or atpturbo for that matter.

[SexyDSM95]

Originally Posted by su_maverick

SC's are tons of fun and you can always add more power to them as well. Turbos just get all the pub because they can make dyno queens.

Please don't speak unless you have something worthwhile to put forth into the discussion instead of your biased, fictional opinion. The right sized turbo can get a car instant spool all the way to redline without swapping pulleys.

[su_maverick]

Well, arent you bitter for some unknown reason. How the hell am I biased when I own a turbo car? one with a pretty big turbo at that.
Yes, they do make different sized turbos which have different spool characteristics. But, that will never change the way that each system works.
A turbo is a reactive setup that is dependant on the other systems of the car. Is requires the right exhaust pressure to get going and aside from a 'anti-lag' or backfire setup there are no assurances that it will come out of boost and need to be re-spooled.
Turbo- dependant on exhaust pressure
Supercharger- dependant on pully speed/rpm

remember, the smaller the turbo, the less top end you have. Once you get out of the turbo's "effeciency range" it basically becomes an expensive hair-dryer.

There is no perfect setup either way... both have their benefits and drawbacks.

[KrautFed20V]

Originally Posted by su_maverick

Well, arent you bitter for some unknown reason. How the hell am I biased when I own a turbo car? one with a pretty big turbo at that.
Yes, they do make different sized turbos which have different spool characteristics. But, that will never change the way that each system works.
A turbo is a reactive setup that is dependant on the other systems of the car. Is requires the right exhaust pressure to get going and aside from a 'anti-lag' or backfire setup there are no assurances that it will come out of boost and need to be re-spooled.
Turbo- dependant on exhaust pressure
Supercharger- dependant on pully speed/rpm

remember, the smaller the turbo, the less top end you have. Once you get out of the turbo's "effeciency range" it basically becomes an expensive hair-dryer.

There is no perfect setup either way... both have their benefits and drawbacks.

TRUE, but if you pick the properly sized turbo (IE don't go too big or too small) such as a t3 60 trim on a small 4 cyl you can spool around 2500 rpm and pull to redline I've seen impressive numbers from a t3 S60 on a 1.8T tuned properly will kick any 57 trim t3/t4

[SexyDSM95]

Originally Posted by su_maverick

Well, arent you bitter for some unknown reason. How the hell am I biased when I own a turbo car? one with a pretty big turbo at that.
Yes, they do make different sized turbos which have different spool characteristics. But, that will never change the way that each system works.
A turbo is a reactive setup that is dependant on the other systems of the car. Is requires the right exhaust pressure to get going and aside from a 'anti-lag' or backfire setup there are no assurances that it will come out of boost and need to be re-spooled.
Turbo- dependant on exhaust pressure
Supercharger- dependant on pully speed/rpm

remember, the smaller the turbo, the less top end you have. Once you get out of the turbo's "effeciency range" it basically becomes an expensive hair-dryer.

There is no perfect setup either way... both have their benefits and drawbacks.

Not only are you biased (i.e. providing information on a LARGE turbo) but it's also very un-educated. You are my favorite type of driver...the one who enjoys huge turbos when in fact smaller turbos have proven themselves again and again with the proper tuning.

I agree that there is no PERFECT set up, if there was everyone would have it. Instead there are floods of misinformation running around about how bigger is better or turbos are bad because they have "lag". Show me a s/c that holds boost until redline, if they exist, they are few. Please explain to me how 14B's are running mid/low 12's and 20g's are running mid/low 11's; all consistant. I bet you anything they are smaller set ups then what you speak of. Also, explain to me how Holset (diesel) turbos are boosting at low level RPMS and are quite large?

[su_maverick]

1.) my turbo- lets get this straight. I have a rotary engine which is a great engine for turbos. My turbo builds positive boost at 2k rpm and full boost by 4k. That means I have about another 4k of full boost. I fail to see how thats a problem for any of my applications. Considering I designed it for autox/track usage.
2.) misinformation- I never ONCE said that bigger is better. I hate dyno-queens that have about 1.5k of usable power.
3.)deisel- that is a completly different type of engine. It uses compression to initiate combustion rather than spark plugs.

The first thing I stated on here was that its about what type of driver you are. The base wrx is a perfect example of this. If the turbo isnt spooled its about as powerful as a 3 year old on a tricycle.
Same thing with the evo. Watch the episode of Top Gear with the Evo sticking it to a lambo on the track and then loosing to a 100hp sedan with a 5th gear pull from 30mph.

[TurboTagTeam]

A supercharger that holds boost???...Vortech T trim. My brother has one in his beemer. Pulls 22psi all the way untill 8,000rpm's.

It is a fact...The smaller your exhaust wheel, the less top end you have. I have a extremly small exhaust wheel in my car. It makes no were near the power up top that it does in the midrange. It is a road racing turbo so it's made for midrange. My turbo is kinda unique. My hot side is probably slightly larger than a t25, wheras my cold side is a .98ar.

...bigger turbo..more boost...more power. Do you see 800whp supra's running 20G's? No you see them running huge Holset turbo's or T-88's.

Your telling me that my turbo will make more power then a T-78 because my turbo is smaller? Not possible. It has nothing to do with tunning. It's airflow.

Maverick is 100% correct.

Edit---FD's fighting back!!!