questions about turbo (gsr)

[215ek]

so my 98 gsr has 90k on it an alot of people are telling me i should boost it instead of building it more.

it pretty much stock, but if i set it to 7 or 8 psi im told id be fine

my question is, what exactly would i need, and how hard is install and about what would a tune run me. not looking to go nuts but just something to give a little more power..

[2000MRDC2]

only things u need that wouldnt really come with a turbo kit are

Fuel pump (walbro 255 would be fine. I think alex has one. )
Injectors
Gauges
Oil Pan tapped for return line, u can always get it done to your stock one too.
Prob a Custom downpipe unless the kit comes with one.

Itd be better off for u to buy a kit than to try and piece one together. Jeff Evans charges I think around 600 for a tune, your best bet In my opinion would be to convert to OBD1 and do neptune. which u would need an OBD2-OBD1 conversion harness and an OBD1 ecu (which Im sure one of our friends or Mike has lying around)

Install isnt too bad just a bunch of lines and pipes basically (i know its not that simple guys just trying to give him an idea), if you think its out of yours and alex's abilities, have mike do it. Me and Jer Did the kit on Tullys TC and It was Easy.

[redtoprps13]

piecing one together > off the shelf

[215ek]

renn tell paroll to eat a bag, come home, and well boost this bear haha

[2000MRDC2]

Originally Posted by 215ek

renn tell paroll to eat a bag, come home, and well boost this bear haha

haha Ill be home in a year, I hope that bear is boosted when I get back.

[dturbocivic]

its not the boost number that willl kill the engine, but how much power it makes, as well as the agrressiveness of the tune up. a few years back i ran a bone stock ls/vtec for damn near 6 months (stock bottom end/stock b16 head) it made 325, and i reved it to 8500 daily.

[MTuning]

whatever route, make sure you do the pcv-delete with a block plug+catch can vented on the block fitting. if you don't have one yet, an IM/tb opened up alot of power for me and quicker spool time.

[TurboGSR96]

Since you dont know much about this....

Buying a complete kit > piecing one together

[cny1320.com]

Originally Posted by TurboGSR96

Since you dont know much about this....

Buying a complete kit > piecing one together

x2 because of lack of knowledge.

[K20EF9]

Check Honda-Tech

AFI Street Kits are $2699. You can also choose to upgrade and get your injectors, fuel pump, hondata s3000 etc...

[Got Insulin?]

Originally Posted by K20EF9

Check Honda-Tech

AFI Street Kits are $2699. You can also choose to upgrade and get your injectors, fuel pump, hondata s3000 etc...

LOL @ paying 3K for a kit for a $3K car (no offense meant)

That's what we're here for fellas: help. Researching, and subsequently learning will only progress the scene.
215EK, you're going to need:
-a manifold
-a turbo
-an external waste gate if your turbo isn't internally gated
-a boost controller
-oil feed and drain lines
-a WB o2 sensor, if you ever plan on going bigger than what you have
-boost, and oil pressure guages
-some sort of logger/ tuning device
-BOV
-IC and piping

and last but not least, some guidence and common sense. Good luck

[The Captain]

Originally Posted by TurboGSR96

Since you dont know much about this....

Buying a complete kit > piecing one together

Originally Posted by cny1320.com

x2 because of lack of knowledge.

See, that's exactly why you DONT buy a kit.

Go out, start reading, and truely know your stuff. Then you can build your own setup that properly fits your goals and save some $$ at the same time.

[zex97]

If you want something cheap and simple you could always go with an egay kit....just a thought.

[K20EF9]

Originally Posted by Got Insulin?

LOL @ paying 3K for a kit for a $3K car (no offense meant)

That's what we're here for fellas: help. Researching, and subsequently learning will only progress the scene.
215EK, you're going to need:
-a manifold
-a turbo
-an external waste gate if your turbo isn't internally gated
-a boost controller
-oil feed and drain lines
-a WB o2 sensor, if you ever plan on going bigger than what you have
-boost, and oil pressure guages
-some sort of logger/ tuning device
-BOV
-IC and piping

and last but not least, some guidence and common sense. Good luck

LOL god forbid somebody buy quality parts instead of piecing together junk.

[redtoprps13]

Originally Posted by dturbocivic

its not the boost number that willl kill the engine, but how much power it makes, as well as the agrressiveness of the tune up. a few years back i ran a bone stock ls/vtec for damn near 6 months (stock bottom end/stock b16 head) it made 325, and i reved it to 8500 daily.

yes and no. when you factor in different turbo trims, different turbos produce different amounts of heat at certain psi. larger turbos are more thermally efficient than smaller ones at the sacrifice of response. a t25g at 15 psi vs a gt2871r at 15 psi are completely different things. a turbo reaching it's efficiency range can cause intake temps to sky rocket

Originally Posted by K20EF9

LOL god forbid somebody buy quality parts instead of piecing together junk.

actually following the blind masses is and buying a turbo kit doesn't make it a quality product. greddy kits for civic come wiht fmu's to govern fuel. you call that quality. or they come with a generic t3/t4 turbo that's too big or unresponsive for the motors they're marketing towards. piecing together doesn't mean you buy all your parts from the junkyard. if you got a brand new gt28r for your b18b and a nice manifold an then got a used evo intercooler. i wouldn't call that a lack of quality in parts. diy kits tend to be better since they suit your needs. not a generic kit marketed to the masses boasting high peak hp and no response.

[SovXietday]

Originally Posted by Got Insulin?

LOL @ paying 3K for a kit for a $3K car (no offense meant)

That's what we're here for fellas: help. Researching, and subsequently learning will only progress the scene.
215EK, you're going to need:
-a manifold
-a turbo
-an external waste gate if your turbo isn't internally gated
-a boost controller
-oil feed and drain lines
-a WB o2 sensor, if you ever plan on going bigger than what you have
-boost, and oil pressure guages
-some sort of logger/ tuning device
-BOV
-IC and piping

and last but not least, some guidence and common sense. Good luck

Forgot some things...

- Walbro 255lhp
- downpipe/exhaust
- Injectors - 450cc or bigger is best
- OBD2-OBD1 conversion harness, engine management and a tune for said management
- a clutch

[K20EF9]

Originally Posted by redtoprps13

yes and no. when you factor in different turbo trims, different turbos produce different amounts of heat at certain psi. larger turbos are more thermally efficient than smaller ones at the sacrifice of response. a t25g at 15 psi vs a gt2871r at 15 psi are completely different things. a turbo reaching it's efficiency range can cause intake temps to sky rocket


actually following the blind masses is and buying a turbo kit doesn't make it a quality product. greddy kits for civic come wiht fmu's to govern fuel. you call that quality. or they come with a generic t3/t4 turbo that's too big or unresponsive for the motors they're marketing towards. piecing together doesn't mean you buy all your parts from the junkyard. if you got a brand new gt28r for your b18b and a nice manifold an then got a used evo intercooler. i wouldn't call that a lack of quality in parts. diy kits tend to be better since they suit your needs. not a generic kit marketed to the masses boasting high peak hp and no response.

Let me know where I said anything about Greddy. I told him to go over to Honda Tech and order the AFI street kit, I know plenty of people running them with no issues, they are very similar to full race kits at about $1000 cheaper. They come standard with a garrett t3/t4 .57 trim I don't think thats too big for a gsr considering my friends single cam spools it fine.

The street kit is $2699 you just told him to order a $1000 turbo and "nice" manifold. A good used ramhorn will run you about $400, new at least $600.

I'd rather have absolutely everything I need for $2700 then a turbo and manifold for $1600.

[redtoprps13]

Originally Posted by K20EF9

Let me know where I said anything about Greddy. I told him to go over to Honda Tech and order the AFI street kit, I know plenty of people running them with no issues, they are very similar to full race kits at about $1000 cheaper. They come standard with a garrett t3/t4 .57 trim I don't think thats too big for a gsr considering my friends single cam spools it fine.

The street kit is $2699 you just told him to order a $1000 turbo and "nice" manifold. A good used ramhorn will run you about $400, new at least $600.

I'd rather have absolutely everything I need for $2700 then a turbo and manifold for $1600.

the greddy kit was an example and a t3/t4 57 trim integra spools at what rpm?

why are you comparing a 2700 dollar turbo kit with an fmu to a 1600 dollar manifold and turbo setup? and obviously you've never ridden in a 57 trim b-series vtec. sure they make nice "peak" power but the spool time is boring. they're fast on the highway and nothing else unless it's in a 2200 lbs hatch. even then i can take them through 3rd gear with my little t25g. you can find gt28r's for 600 bucks and spend 300 on a nice manifold. after that you need an intercooler kit which is no more than 400 bucks if you know how to shop, injectors, fuel pump and some form of "proper" ecu tuning, and a down pipe. you can get walbro's for under a 100 bucks and some 550cc injectors dirt cheap as well. why would i spend near 3 grand for a turbo kit and it doesn't even have a proper engine management system and isn't suited for my needs.

a gt28r goes for 780 brand new btw. and a nice manifold might set you back 300-400 bucks. but that's the most important part. better than paying for a 2700 dollar kit with a generic t3/t4.

[K20EF9]

Originally Posted by redtoprps13

the greddy kit was an example and a t3/t4 57 trim integra spools at what rpm?

why are you comparing a 2700 dollar turbo kit with an fmu to a 1600 dollar manifold and turbo setup? and obviously you've never ridden in a 57 trim b-series vtec. sure they make nice "peak" power but the spool time is boring. they're fast on the highway and nothing else unless it's in a 2200 lbs hatch. even then i can take them through 3rd gear with my little t25g. you can find gt28r's for 600 bucks and spend 300 on a nice manifold. after that you need an intercooler kit which is no more than 400 bucks if you know how to shop, injectors, fuel pump and some form of "proper" ecu tuning, and a down pipe. you can get walbro's for under a 100 bucks and some 550cc injectors dirt cheap as well. why would i spend near 3 grand for a turbo kit and it doesn't even have a proper engine management system and isn't suited for my needs.

a gt28r goes for 780 brand new btw. and a nice manifold might set you back 300-400 bucks. but that's the most important part. better than paying for a 2700 dollar kit with a generic t3/t4.

What crack are you smoking dude. I said AFI kit 2 or 3 times now I never mentioned anything about a ****ing Greddy kit. AFI kits don't come with an FMU so maybe you need to do some research. I've been in more B, D, and K series turbo cars than you have probably ever saw. My friends B16 Integra was running a t3 60-1 last year making 373whp on 16 psi and went 11.7 in a full weight 1992 Acura Integra. So to say a 1.8L with a t3/t4 57 trim would be slow you are out of your ****ing mind.

You clearly have not a clue what you are talking about so you should just quit. My friends sleeved 2.0L Hatch spools a t3/t67 HO with no problems. My friends single cam fully spools his t3/t4 57 trim by 4000 rpms and he's on 18 psi. Maybe you should stick to Nissans because you clearly don't seem to have 1 bit of intelligence when it comes to Hondas.

Just because you are too cheap to buy quality parts doesn't mean other people are.

[K20EF9]

Since you can't comprehend AFI

http://www.hondamarketplace.com/show....php?t=2060166

Kits come complete with:

-AFI 304ss Tubular Ramhorn Manifold, Limited Lifetime Warrany
-AFI 3" Stainless Downpipe w/ braided flex and O2 bung
-AFI Stainless DIY dumptube kit
-AFI 26x6.5.3.5 Garrett Core Backdoor Front mount Intercooler
-AFI 2.5'" Powder Coated Charge Piping Kit, Bead Rolled
-AFI Street oil line kit (AN fittings, Braided line)
-Garrett T3/T04e 57 trim
-Tial 38mm MVS V-Band Wastegate
-Tial 50mm Q Blow-Off Valve
-PWR 4-Ply silicone couplers
-Strong T-Bolt Clamps
-All miscellaneous gaskets and hardware

If you read on and you can clearly see you can upgrade parts and also add:

Option #1 – Walbro 255lph HP w/ Install Kit, RC Engineering 750cc Saturated, Hondata S300 w/ Socketed P28 Retail - $1410 Bundle - $1189

And then theres even more features:

-OBD1 Bosch-Style Injector Clips +$40
-Substitute RC Injectors for Precision Peak & Hold -$55
-OBD2>OBD1 Conversion Harness +$90
-Boost-By-Gear Kit, Includes Hardware, Solenoid, Installation +$169
-AEM Boost/Oil Pressure Gauge +$189/Each
-AEM Wideband Gauge +$265