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martang · 03-12-2008, 12:59 AM

So I'm looking at trading my car for a 95 talon tsi awd with 123k miles. Now I don't know too much about these cars so I wanna know if this is a good deal or not and what to look for if I go look at it.
It is a 7 bolt with these mods
-NKG wires and denso plugs
-Red top battery
-Big 16g turbo
-HKS EVC 4 boost controller
-DSMLink (this alone with the ecu is $700)
-17" nippon lightstar wheels with brand new tires
-AEM UEGO Wideband setup
-painted valve cover
-HUGE FMIC
-Silicone radiator piping
-Infinity speakers all around with JVC KD-AVX1 dvd head
-Short shifter, symborski shift kit, shifter cable bushings
-Punishment racing downpipe with full 3" thermal catback and high flow cat (it's va emissions legal)
-Walbro 190 with pte 880cc injectors
-3 pod pillar with oil pressure, water temp, and boost gauges
-Incoming gauge cluster for wideband gauge
-Eclipse 2gb front bumper
-Injen intake with huge k&n filter
-N1 Exhaust just installed
-I have a brand new test pipe that hasn't been installed

Any helpful input will be much appreciated.

TalonTsi97 · 03-12-2008, 01:25 AM

Do you have pics of the car? Do you know if any maintenance has been done? What kind of condition is the car in? Big project, hack job? What kinda of price we looking at, or what are you trading?

martang · 03-12-2008, 01:32 AM

http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=271044
That's the link to the original thread he said he hasn't had any major problems but I haven't asked him where he got all the work done yet. He said he wants $6500 but it would be a straight up trade for my celica and he would throw in all the extra parts he has.

TalonTsi97 · 03-12-2008, 02:21 AM

The interior looks clean but the cars been painted and the body doesn't look to be in great shape. The engine doesn't look to bad needs a good clean and a lot of wire/vacuum line clean up. Like i already said I'd definitely wanna know if it had the major maintenance done and condition of clutch as well as the usual used car things you look for. Take it for good test drive and see what you think. Get a car fax and just look over everything and see if it's been hacked up and beaten or what the deal is.
What info do you have on your celica so i can compare the car's

vdcoff · 03-12-2008, 02:31 AM

thats alot of miles

martang · 03-12-2008, 02:35 AM

Basically I just have intake, exhaust, clutch, flywheel, short shifter, springs, rear strut bar. He says he wants something that is newer and won't get tickets in. Kelly blue book on my car is around $8000 so do you think I should ask for some cash on top??

martang · 03-12-2008, 02:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSSNick

thats alot of miles

Meh my car will be there by next year

PaleDSM · 03-12-2008, 08:56 AM

That isn't a lot of miles for the year of the car. Figure average is 13k-15k a year for a car.

The car is pretty lightly modded which is a good thing. Check to see when the last timing belt job was done. Should have just been done. If not put aside $600 for the job right away.

LilSubiedrvr · 03-12-2008, 12:55 PM

I think the crew will collectively kick you butt if you trade the celica for that-or anything really haha. When you got a good thing stick with it!

martang · 03-12-2008, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LilSubiedrvr

I think the crew will collectively kick you butt if you trade the celica for that-or anything really haha. When you got a good thing stick with it!

Hahaha I get bored with my car just like I wanted to sell it before the fall run and then I didn't. Who knows I could change my mind in a week lol

95gstnj · 03-14-2008, 02:17 PM

make sure you do compression on it before you buy it, 6500 seems about right if the cars in great condition. it may even be on the higher side. id ask for $$$ on top. also, remember youre going to be fixing stupid little problems all the time, especially if you start putting down some power.

Shoolig · 03-18-2008, 05:14 PM

Well- I am sure most of you know that before the revised thrust bearing Mitsu. introduced in late 98-99 the 7 bolts had crankwalk issues. Ask the owner if it's the original engine and if the car has an aftermarket clutch. Although the cause of crankwalk has been disputed nonstop there are number of things it "could" be. Aftermarket clutches DO put more stress on the trust bearing- which could possibly lead to crankwalk. Make sure the timing belt has been done recently- it's right at the 60k service point. Some 7 bolts never walk though, it's a gamble usually.

Anyhow- check the compression- it's a 2G with higher compression pistons than a 1G so you will be lookin for around 155-160 on each cylinder.

Rest your foot on the clutch and make sharp left and right turns- make sure it stays firm.

See what kind of tune he is running with and how much boost he is running- did he tune it himself or have it dyno tuned?

Take a hard look at the current owner- does he look like a dumbass?

It's a DSM- they can be great or very crappy.

LilSubiedrvr · 03-20-2008, 08:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by martang

Hahaha I get bored with my car just like I wanted to sell it before the fall run and then I didn't. Who knows I could change my mind in a week lol

Yeah it seems you do that rofl...just saying we all love that celica

Kevin · 03-20-2008, 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackSSNick

thats alot of miles

lol I got 137,500 and it probably runs stronger then your car.

I personally wouldn't worry about the crankwalk, with those miles and mods it should be fine. 95's aren't that probable to crankwalk, its mostly the later years. Just drive it and possibly have a mechanic look at it. Look to see if some parts are hacked on or has had hacked work. See if it's leaking anything. Do a compression test. Listen for abnormal sounds. You know, just play it smart.

dragonfly2k3 · 03-31-2008, 08:37 PM

beat the ever living hell out of it on a test drive. I do it on all of mine, obviously nothing crazy, but i dont want to buy a car only to find out the clutch is slipping later because i never went WOT on the test drive.

420sx · 03-31-2008, 09:08 PM

Those things usually pop around 100k.

That ones runnin on borrowed time, IMO.

dragonfly2k3 · 03-31-2008, 09:22 PM

Not at all. I have seen many, many run well past 130k. I see no problem with this one except for the guys claims. This car will not beat MOST c5 z06's. Regular C5s run high 12s to low 13s stock. I would say that should be where this car is. I would not count on beating a z06.

Kevin · 03-31-2008, 09:26 PM

A Big 16g can make some serious power but idk about the corvette beating.

dragonfly2k3 · 03-31-2008, 10:24 PM

yes, the 16g can deff make some decent power, but you have to take into account the other mods as well as the weight of the car.

Kevin · 04-01-2008, 12:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dragonfly2k3

yes, the 16g can deff make some decent power, but you have to take into account the other mods as well as the weight of the car.

Yea. The max your gonna get out of a Big 16g is like 400whp. That's ported and clipped. As well as massive supporting mods.

03-12-2008, 12:59 AM	#1
martang Tri-State Addict Join Date: Sep 2006 Member #2574 iTrader: (2)	Looking at a talon So I'm looking at trading my car for a 95 talon tsi awd with 123k miles. Now I don't know too much about these cars so I wanna know if this is a good deal or not and what to look for if I go look at it. It is a 7 bolt with these mods -NKG wires and denso plugs -Red top battery -Big 16g turbo -HKS EVC 4 boost controller -DSMLink (this alone with the ecu is $700) -17" nippon lightstar wheels with brand new tires -AEM UEGO Wideband setup -painted valve cover -HUGE FMIC -Silicone radiator piping -Infinity speakers all around with JVC KD-AVX1 dvd head -Short shifter, symborski shift kit, shifter cable bushings -Punishment racing downpipe with full 3" thermal catback and high flow cat (it's va emissions legal) -Walbro 190 with pte 880cc injectors -3 pod pillar with oil pressure, water temp, and boost gauges -Incoming gauge cluster for wideband gauge -Eclipse 2gb front bumper -Injen intake with huge k&n filter -N1 Exhaust just installed -I have a brand new test pipe that hasn't been installed Any helpful input will be much appreciated.

03-12-2008, 01:25 AM	#2
TalonTsi97 TST Ruined My Life! Join Date: Jan 2005 Member #136 My Ride: 1997 Eagle Talon iTrader: (21)	Do you have pics of the car? Do you know if any maintenance has been done? What kind of condition is the car in? Big project, hack job? What kinda of price we looking at, or what are you trading? __________________ 1997 Eagle Talon Tsi To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. Updated weekly with Dyno, Track, AutoX, Street, and Event videos. Big updates coming soon! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

03-12-2008, 02:21 AM	#4
TalonTsi97 TST Ruined My Life! Join Date: Jan 2005 Member #136 My Ride: 1997 Eagle Talon iTrader: (21)	The interior looks clean but the cars been painted and the body doesn't look to be in great shape. The engine doesn't look to bad needs a good clean and a lot of wire/vacuum line clean up. Like i already said I'd definitely wanna know if it had the major maintenance done and condition of clutch as well as the usual used car things you look for. Take it for good test drive and see what you think. Get a car fax and just look over everything and see if it's been hacked up and beaten or what the deal is. What info do you have on your celica so i can compare the car's __________________ 1997 Eagle Talon Tsi To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. Updated weekly with Dyno, Track, AutoX, Street, and Event videos. Big updates coming soon! To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

03-12-2008, 02:31 AM	#5
vdcoff Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Nazareth, PA Member #6984 My Ride: 2011 Impreza WRX Ltd / 2012 Yamaha FZ8 iTrader: (1)	thats alot of miles __________________ You can't have pie without cool whip. To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures.

03-12-2008, 08:56 AM	#8
PaleDSM Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Dublin, Pa Member #274 iTrader: (1)	That isn't a lot of miles for the year of the car. Figure average is 13k-15k a year for a car. The car is pretty lightly modded which is a good thing. Check to see when the last timing belt job was done. Should have just been done. If not put aside $600 for the job right away. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or greater. You currently have 0 signatures. 2000 MR2 Spyder (Yellow) 2013 Hyundai Elantra

03-12-2008, 01:32 AM	#3
martang Tri-State Addict Join Date: Sep 2006 Member #2574 iTrader: (2)	http://www.newcelica.org/forums/showthread.php?t=271044 That's the link to the original thread he said he hasn't had any major problems but I haven't asked him where he got all the work done yet. He said he wants $6500 but it would be a straight up trade for my celica and he would throw in all the extra parts he has.

03-12-2008, 02:35 AM	#6
martang Tri-State Addict Join Date: Sep 2006 Member #2574 iTrader: (2)	Basically I just have intake, exhaust, clutch, flywheel, short shifter, springs, rear strut bar. He says he wants something that is newer and won't get tickets in. Kelly blue book on my car is around $8000 so do you think I should ask for some cash on top??

03-12-2008, 12:55 PM	#9
LilSubiedrvr Tri-State Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PA Member #5777 My Ride: '01 Subaru 2.5 RS iTrader: (0)	I think the crew will collectively kick you butt if you trade the celica for that-or anything really haha. When you got a good thing stick with it!

03-14-2008, 02:17 PM	#11
95gstnj Tri-State Training Wheels Join Date: Dec 2006 Member #3199 My Ride: 05 wrx, C5 A6 iTrader: (0)	make sure you do compression on it before you buy it, 6500 seems about right if the cars in great condition. it may even be on the higher side. id ask for $$$ on top. also, remember youre going to be fixing stupid little problems all the time, especially if you start putting down some power.

03-18-2008, 05:14 PM	#12
Shoolig Tri-State Aficionado Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Center Valley Member #5623 My Ride: C6 iTrader: (0)	Well- I am sure most of you know that before the revised thrust bearing Mitsu. introduced in late 98-99 the 7 bolts had crankwalk issues. Ask the owner if it's the original engine and if the car has an aftermarket clutch. Although the cause of crankwalk has been disputed nonstop there are number of things it "could" be. Aftermarket clutches DO put more stress on the trust bearing- which could possibly lead to crankwalk. Make sure the timing belt has been done recently- it's right at the 60k service point. Some 7 bolts never walk though, it's a gamble usually. Anyhow- check the compression- it's a 2G with higher compression pistons than a 1G so you will be lookin for around 155-160 on each cylinder. Rest your foot on the clutch and make sharp left and right turns- make sure it stays firm. See what kind of tune he is running with and how much boost he is running- did he tune it himself or have it dyno tuned? Take a hard look at the current owner- does he look like a dumbass? It's a DSM- they can be great or very crappy. __________________ Support your local bail bondsman.

03-31-2008, 08:37 PM	#15
dragonfly2k3 Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Mar 2007 Member #4106 iTrader: (5)	beat the ever living hell out of it on a test drive. I do it on all of mine, obviously nothing crazy, but i dont want to buy a car only to find out the clutch is slipping later because i never went WOT on the test drive. __________________ HIDs, they're serious business.

03-31-2008, 09:08 PM	#16
420sx Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Warrington, PA Member #2811 My Ride: '98 240sx, 98 Impreza L, 00 SV650 iTrader: (5)	Those things usually pop around 100k. That ones runnin on borrowed time, IMO. __________________ loltst

03-31-2008, 09:22 PM	#17
dragonfly2k3 Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Mar 2007 Member #4106 iTrader: (5)	Not at all. I have seen many, many run well past 130k. I see no problem with this one except for the guys claims. This car will not beat MOST c5 z06's. Regular C5s run high 12s to low 13s stock. I would say that should be where this car is. I would not count on beating a z06. __________________ HIDs, they're serious business.

03-31-2008, 10:24 PM	#19
dragonfly2k3 Tri-State Post Whore Join Date: Mar 2007 Member #4106 iTrader: (5)	yes, the 16g can deff make some decent power, but you have to take into account the other mods as well as the weight of the car. __________________ HIDs, they're serious business.

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