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Old 10-18-2007, 07:33 PM   #1
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Torre turns down offer to return as Yanks' skipper

From a Red Sox fan, this is the biggest mistake for the Yankees. Bye Bye!


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NEW YORK -- Joe Torre is out as manager of the New York Yankees, rejecting a substantial pay cut after the team failed to make it past the first round of the playoffs for the third straight year.

Torre turned down a $5 million, one-year contract Thursday - $2.5 million less than he made last season.

Rather than put up with the indignity of a salary slap coupled with a performance-based contract, the man who led the Yankees to playoff appearances in all 12 years he managed walked.

"A difficult day," general manager Brian Cashman said.

Bench coach Don Mattingly is the leading contender to replace Torre, who won four World Series championships with the Yanks but none since 2000. Yankees broadcaster Joe Girardi, the NL Manager of the Year with Florida in 2006, is another top contender. Tony La Russa and Bobby Valentine also could be considered.

Most Yankees fans could see this day coming.

After losing the first two playoff games to Cleveland, owner George Steinbrenner said he didn't think Torre would be asked back if the Yankees didn't advance.

The 67-year-old Torre, who took over the team to start the 1996 season, made his decision after traveling from New York to the team's spring training complex in Tampa, Fla., and meeting with Steinbrenner, the owner's sons and top executives for about an hour. He was accompanied by Cashman and chief operating officer Lonn Trost.

New York's offer included $3 million in bonuses if the Yankees reached next year's World Series and an $8 million option for 2009 that would have become guaranteed if New York won the AL pennant.

Tough Act to Follow

Whoever succeeds Joe Torre, when the likely Hall of Fame manager leaves the Yankees, will have some big shoes to fill. Among his accomplishments in New York:

• 1,173-767 record
• Four World Series titles
• 10 AL East titles (9 straight from 1998-2006)
• Two-time AL Manager of the Year (1996 and 1998)
• Reached postseason all 12 seasons
All-time managerial wins leaders Manager Wins
Connie Mack 3,776
John McGraw 2,840
Tony La Russa 2,375
Bobby Cox 2,255
Sparky Anderson 2,194
Bucky Harris 2,159
Joe McCarthy 2,126
Joe Torre 2,067
Torre just completed a $19.2 million, three-year contract. The Chicago Cubs' Lou Piniella was the second-highest paid manager at $3.5 million.

"Under this offer, he would continue to be the highest-paid manager in major league baseball," team president Randy Levine said. "We thought that we need to go to a performance-based model, having nothing to do with Joe Torre's character, integrity or ability. We just think it's important to motivate people."

It appeared to be an offer designed to be rejected. Scott Boras, the agent for Yankees star Alex Rodriguez, said players would have interpreted an acceptance by Torre as weakness.

"It is difficult, near impossible, to accept a salary cut," Boras said. "Successful people can afford their principles. They understand if they accept the position, there is a great risk the message to all under him is dissatisfaction."

Torre called Cashman on Tuesday and asked to meet with the 77-year-old Steinbrenner and the owners' sons, Hal and Hank, who have taken an increased role in recent month. They spent an hour together, and then Torre was gone.

Steinbrenner let his sons do the talking.

"The objective of the Yankees since the '20s has been to win the championship every year, just as the objective of [Vince] Lombardi with the Packers was or [Bill] Belichick and the Patriots," Hank said. "None of us think we can win the championship every year, but that's the goal. Period."

Torre led the Yankees to 10 AL East titles, but they have gone without a Series championship in the last seven and haven't even reached it since 2003.

With 2,067 regular-season wins, Torre is eighth on the career list and was third among active managers behind the St. Louis Cardinals' La Russa (2,375) and the Atlanta Braves' Bobby Cox (2,255). Torre's four World Series titles are likely to earn him a place in the Hall of Fame - every manager with three or more has been inducted.

"Joe Torre is a great man, he is a legendary Yankee and a legendary Yankee manager," Levine said, adding: "The goal of this franchise is to win the World Series. All of us get up every day knowing that is the goal and all us take that responsibility on. Unfortunately we have not met that goal for seven years."

Torre's was the longest uninterrupted term for a Yankees manager since Casey Stengel held the job from 12 years from 1949-60. Stengel was pushed out, too, let go after his team lost a seven-game World Series to Pittsburgh.

Under Torre, the Yankees went 1,173-767. He trails only Joe McCarthy (1,460) for wins among Yankees managers.

"I hope Joe is happy," Boston manager Terry Francona said. "I think you're going to hear people in baseball, every area of baseball, say probably very, very kind, respectful things about Joe the next couple days, and they're all deserved."

Torre, the first person born in New York City to manage one of its major league baseball teams, sounded wistful after the Yankees' final game.

"This has been a great 12 years. Whatever the hell happens from here on out, I'll look back on these 12 years with great, great pleasure," he said, trying not to choke up. "The 12 years just felt like they were 10 minutes long, to be honest with you.'

He wouldn't address his future.

'If I have some options, I'll look at it because I'm certainly not ready to move somewhere and not do anything," the New Yorker said.

Torre's departure could factor into whether potential free agents Mariano Rivera, Jorge Posada, Andy Pettitte and Rodriguez remain with the Yankees.

"We certainly hope that they decide to come back," Cashman said. "At the end of the day we consider them Yankees and they will have an opportunity to remain part of the Yankees."

When Torre succeeded Buck Showalter, the Yankees had not won the World Series since 1978, the longest drought since the team's first title in 1923. It was the 20th change in manager following Steinbrenner's purchase of the franchise in 1973.

Torre never had much success as a manager before landing in New York, and many predicted he would be gone in no time. But he turned out to be a rock and a buffer to the blustery Steinbrenner. He was calm, stoic and brought an unprecedented period of stability to a team accustomed to constant turmoil.

The Brooklyn native was a former NL MVP and a nine-time All-Star. Before joining the Yankees, he had unsuccessful managing stints with the Braves, Cardinals and Mets - the three clubs he played for. When the Yankees hired him, one New York paper dubbed him: "Clueless Joe."

But New York won the World Series in 1996, led by a group that included Bernie Williams, rookie Derek Jeter, setup man Mariano Rivera, Paul O'Neill and Tino Martinez. With catcher Jorge Posada added in, they won the Series from 1998-2000, the first team to win three straight since the Swingin' Oakland A's of 1972-74, and advanced to Game 7 of the Series in 2001, when they failed to hold a ninth-inning lead at Arizona.

Since then, despite baseball's largest payroll, there has been only frustration: a first-round loss to the Anaheim Angels in 2002, a World Series defeat to the Florida Marlins in 2003 and a painful exit the following year, when they allowed the Red Sox to overcome a 3-0 deficit in the AL championship series.

They lost to the Angels in five games in the first round in 2005, were eliminated by the Detroit Tigers last year and were knocked out by Cleveland this year.

Communication between Torre and Steinbrenner deteriorated in 2005, and it wasn't clear that Torre would return for 2006 until after the pair met in Tampa. Steinbrenner meddled less with the team the past two seasons - even during a 21-29 start this year - giving almost unprecedented authority to Torre and Cashman.

Mattingly, a six-time All-Star and a former AL MVP, became the Yankees' bench coach this year following three seasons as hitting coach. He starred for the team from 1982-95 and is a fan favorite whose No. 23 was retired by the Yankees in 1997.

"Don is reserving comment, at this time, out of respect to Joe Torre," Mattingly's agent, Ray Schulte, told 1050 ESPN New York.

Girardi is a Torre protege who kept a young Florida team in contention until late in the 2006 season with a no-nonsense approach.
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Old 10-18-2007, 09:34 PM   #2
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First off, the yankees are the greatest team to ever touch a baseball diamond. Now that we got that out of the way, I think I can speak for most if not all yankee fans, George Steinbrenner is a f***ing d-bag and getting rid of Torre is prolly the worse move they have made since god knows when. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the players left the team after this, and if ticket sales themselves take a slump. This very will could be the start to a yankee fallout over the next few years. Even if they bring in Mattingly or Girardi, it still will not be the same for many years to come.
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Old 10-18-2007, 10:19 PM   #4
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Do you really think he really turned it down, or was pressured to?
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Old 10-18-2007, 10:27 PM   #5
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if they are the greatest team, why did they get whooped? and i dont blame him for turning it down.
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If they aren't the greatest team, who is? Who comes close to their legacy?
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First off, the yankees are the greatest team to ever touch a baseball diamond....
This is an arguement for the ages. Yes, the Yankess have been successful throughout baseball, but we arent talking about then. We are talking about more current. The fact that the Yanks have been quite successful has lead to things like this. To them, 7 years w/o a World Series is like an eternity.

As a Braves fan, I am glad the Yanks are falling apart. As a fan of the sport, I have nothing but respect for Joe Torre. Maybe he can come to Atlanta after Bobby is done in a year or two, and see what happens..
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as a sox fan, im sorry to see torre go. one of the classiest men in baseball. guess i can hate the yankees even more now.

o yea.. jeter sucks a-rod
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haha the yankees can suck it easy..they ruined baseball...it will never be the same again if those money hungry bastards are still playing.
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as a sox fan, im sorry to see torre go. one of the classiest men in baseball. guess i can hate the yankees even more now.

o yea.. jeter sucks a-rod

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i absolutely hate the yankees. however, i would have done the same thing torre did. they clearly made the offer as an insult and they knew he wouldnt accept. i think he did what every person in his position would do even though it cost him his job. way to go joe.
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haha the yankees can suck it easy..they ruined baseball...it will never be the same again if those money hungry bastards are still playing.
whats even funnier, even their payroll cant buy championships anymore.
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whats even funnier, even their payroll cant buy championships anymore.
haha u said it best man! haha...down with the yanks!
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torre's old, has a butt-load of cash, and could use the time off anyway. enjoy retirement
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the press conference is on now!
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