Dog shock collar

[httrdd]

What have you used or what do you think will be the best buy? I have a two year old american eskimo who is basically out of control. I hear these dogs are very untrainable. I tried training him myself, tried my perfect dog( it was a joke and just made him miserable), taking him to classes. Damn dog just does not listen. Any brand recomendations? Cheap but effective may not be possible, but something for a good price. Thanks.

[dmyers151]

I don't know what it's called, but they make one with a remote control that has several settings. It has settings for vibrate, beep, and shock. This gives you the option to not hurt the dog and still let them know your paying attention.

[eviljokerSTI]

Go to Cabellas They have the best training collars available. And some work for up to 1 mile or more. My old Lab was a stubborn bitch and she would wander off all the damn time. I got this one for her. I use it on my other dogs now that she is gone but its never failed me. If it worked on my dog Kujo this will work on any dog

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Hunti...3Bcat104314680

[Snoozie]

Make sure you learn to PROPERLY use the collar. You can't just shock the dog whenever he is bad and expect him to learn. He needs to be conditioned so eventually you won't need to use the collar. I know that you said you took him to training, but I think you really need to get the obedience down (lots and lots of repetition) in order for you and the dog to benefit from this.

American Eskimos are high energy dogs. Is he getting enough exercise everyday? You'd be surprised how much of a difference just walking the dog makes.

http://www.uwsp.edu/psych/dog/LA/castle3.htm

[httrdd]

Alright thanks guys and gal I will look into those options. I walk him all the time and play with him. He listens only for food(treats) then goes to his own bad self. Lol.

[httrdd]

Oh and sorry about calling it a shock collar instead of a training collar according the the last link you posted.

[httrdd]

Originally Posted by dmyers151

I don't know what it's called, but they make one with a remote control that has several settings. It has settings for vibrate, beep, and shock. This gives you the option to not hurt the dog and still let them know your paying attention.

This is the one I was looking for.

[Snoozie]

Originally Posted by httrdd

Alright thanks guys and gal I will look into those options. I walk him all the time and play with him. He listens only for food(treats) then goes to his own bad self. Lol.

Treat training should be really easy for you to try. If he associates treats to doing what you want him to do, he'll eventually just do it. Again, the only way any of this will work is with repetition. It's a pain in the ass and can be taxing, but you need to stay patient.

Originally Posted by httrdd

Oh and sorry about calling it a shock collar instead of a training collar according the the last link you posted.

Call it whatever you want! It only says that because people get freaked out when they hear "shock".

[MuddyREX]

I had an American Eskimo a few years ago. He was a great dog with a ton of energy. A lot of fun. My wife and I had him for a few years before we had our son. The dog didn't adjust well to a little kid in the house. He was very aggressive toward my son and most other people. Growling, snapping, biting, etc. Eventually I had to give him up because he was pretty much uncontrollable and he went to an American Eskimo rescue out by Carlisle since I wanted to ensure he wasn't going to be put to sleep. One of the hardest days ever.

[knochgoon24]

My sister's American Eskimo is one of the nicest dogs I've ever met. It might have a ton of energy, but ours was easily trained.

Are you looking for a training collar or a bark collar?

[JankyS13]

My boy tried one of those invisible fences w the shock collar, damn dog was smart would sit close enough to the line where it would mildly shock m until the batteries died and then he would roll out.

As for training dogs, I never use eatable treats, always verbal. With in the first week I get any dog "pref pup's" their training begins.
for the first 3 months give or take on the dogs ability to learn. It stays in their crate unless I am playing or training them. When I leave the house during that time they are kept in that crate, w/ a fair amount of water, one or two toys and of course their bedding. When I get home the very first thing I do is great them and take em outside. Followed w/ feeding and more training. Generally after a year the dogs have learned a routine and know pretty much every stupid pet trick I taught em. Miss my pitt most of all "The Cheat" (yes he was named from homestar) I use to act like i was going to shoot em and say bang bang and he would fall over on his side w his one paw in the air. lol

[Khellen]

Originally Posted by eviljokerSTI

Go to Cabellas They have the best training collars available. And some work for up to 1 mile or more. My old Lab was a stubborn bitch and she would wander off all the damn time. I got this one for her. I use it on my other dogs now that she is gone but its never failed me. If it worked on my dog Kujo this will work on any dog

This.

I think it's been two years since I've trained my golden retriever with a training collar and couldent be happier with the results. I'd recommend getting something with a shock AND vibrate feature. This way you can give him a warning without having to hurt him. Eventually you won't even need the shock feature as your dog will learn to associate the vibrate with bad behavior.

I've used two collars now and have much success with both. My first was a DT like the one found below. The collar worked great but a few months ago we went swimming and shortly after my remote died. I have the sneaking suspicion I had an older non water proof remote. Ah well, lasted me 2 years and tons of fun times! I'd definitely recommend it. I believe this collar vibrates when it shocks too so your pup will always associate vibrating with a shock....making him react immediately even when you only use vibrate.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Hunti...3Bcat104314680

Just bought a new one a week or two ago and love it. Smallest / cheapest unit with vibrate, shock, and waterproof features. Love it so far! The vibrate and shock are two seperate features. Not sure how much I like that but it's irrelevent for my dog at this point as he already associates vibration with a warning. If you're newly training him you'd have to make sure you're always giving him a "page" (vibrate) before you actually shock him so that he knows he's about to be punished for not listening. Eventually you'll just be able to "page" him and he'll understand that he needs to be aware of what is going on and not caught up in the excitement of what's going on.

http://www.cabelas.com/product/Hunti...3Bcat104314680

Buying a training collar for my dog was one of the best choices I ever made. Some people will try to put it in your head that it's cruel or painful to a dog...but as long as you're not misusing the system it's no worse then spanking your child. Besides, if it keeps your dog from getting hit by a car or putting him in a fatal situation it's worth it in my opinion. In fact, when I pull out the collar for a walk the dog gets insanely happy.

Hope it works out for you!


Max with the new collar on down at a local lake playing frisbee in a soccer field:

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by httrdd

Alright thanks guys and gal I will look into those options. I walk him all the time and play with him. He listens only for food(treats) then goes to his own bad self. Lol.

That sounds like my cats. They are truely dedicated to doing whatever they want.

[420sx]

Ive found a prong collar to be pretty effective. My german shepherd was trained on a prong collar, and once he was, he'd behave the same with a regular collar.

The most important thing is that the dog knows what he's being shocked for if/when you shock him. You can shock him all you want, but if he doesnt understand why, you wont get any results.

[JankyS13]

fyi dog collars work best on your gf's ask me how i know.

[FocusDude]

Do not get a bark collar, you can not control it. And some dogs ignore it allowing it to burn through their skin.

My father and his friend use collars to train their hunting dogs. After a weekend of proper training the pups only need see the remote and they correct themselves unless they are on the chase.
They have used the same collar for a quite a few years now on several dogs. I thought they got theirs at Cabellas but I dont see it.

[the mike]

Make sure it's rechargeable. Mine goes through batteries like nobody's business.

[halfhorsepower]

Good luck with your training, and remember crates are a good safe place for your dog not a punishment zone!

Originally Posted by 420sx

The most important thing is that the dog knows what he's being shocked for if/when you shock him. You can shock him all you want, but if he doesnt understand why, you wont get any results.

Correct. It has to be connected to their action on time every time. Too many people tell a dog to sit 5,000 times vs say it once then gently make them sit etc. You gotta show them exactly what you want to do. Pretty amazing when you think about it, i don't think they speak english & yet eventually any properly raised & trained dog will be almost just like another person & will know what you expect of them.


I don't recommend training that relies entirely on treats unless it's more trick type stuff like roll over etc. Actual obedience training (sit, stay come down, off, no, heel, let go of object etc) needs to be part patient matter of fact instruction + part loving happy praise. But.... some dogs do benefit with a treat here & there especially in the beginning just to get them focused.

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[frosti108]

i used to install invisible fences for a living. haha good times.

anyway, just go to petsmart anf get one of the remote control beep/shock collars. we got one for my gfs pitbull to keep the bitch in line and it works good. i think we spent around $100. our problem was mainly that she would run off into other yards without keeping her on a leash.

and as mentioned, you cannot just shock the dog. you give demands and give treats for good responses.

if your teaching the dog not to run away or to not run at and bark at people or dogs near the backyard for example, keep the dog on a long leash. when the dog does something you dont want the dog to do, like start to run off or towards something, you give the dog a beep while giving a yell/warn the dog (BAD) as well as give the dog a sharp tug on the leash. do this throughout your session outdoors (dont keep the dog outside trying to train him all day, as dogs have short attention spans)

after a few days when you feel the dog understands the beep as a negative thing, you can then introduce the shockah as well. go about business outside, playing or relaxing or whatever. when the dog goes for it (tries to dart off or something) give him the beep as usual, as well as a the shock. i think most collars beep while shocking. test this out while not on the dog lol .

but yea, this process teaches the dog what you dont want him to do. and then introducing the shock reinforces your authoritah and gives the dog a reason to obey your command


so...

make it clear what u want the dog not to do.

reinforce these things with a beep and a traditional punishment like a tug yell BAD spanking... (try to only do one rule at a time. dont drop the hammer on all of your dogs bad habits all at once.

after your dog associates the beep with being bad, (give him a few days of atleast 2 quick training sessions a day)
you can then introduce the shock as well to show the dog you mean business


after you introduce the shock, you will RARELY have to use it. if you associated the shock to the beep and the beep to being bad, then the dog will freeze and think about being shocked whenever you use the beep. i like to think that the beep is just as painful as the shock because dogs have very strong memories for traumatic things like a shock. and they are very good at associating things to trauma. they usually have no problem with this kind of training

the beep will be enough for everyday warning and reminders.

the shock is not to really be used unless you think the dog needs a reminder of what the beep means, and also if the dog is really out for blood and ripping toward another dog to bite its face off lol ...the shock works good to snap a dog out of a frenzied state

heres patches the runt pitbull and my long gone cat, kitty

[Sublime1304]

When we moved, we had to get an electric fence because we can't have fences in our neighborhood. Our youngest dog Travis (less than a year) was crazy and we got him a collar so he wouldn't run away and he got shocked every now and then. Soon after he got the picture and he knows where the line is.

I think the fence is worth it because if your dog goes past the line, it'll shock him until he gets back. And you can turn the setting up or down depending on the dog