NSFW What happens when you try to opt out of a TSA full-body scan at the airport?

[Got Insulin?]

http://johnnyedge.blogspot.com/2010/...y-between.html

Disgusting. I'm proud that he stood his ground, although the whole incident could have been avioded if he cooperated, but that's not really the point.

[DC2.2GSR]

What's even more disgusting are the comments posted under the article wherever it gets posted that are various versions of "what a pussy.. hasn't he ever changed at the gym? Afraid to let another person see his small penis?", and "He probably planned that, he could have just gone through the scanner and avoided the whole problem", etc. etc. It's not about avoidance, it's not about putting up with an inconvenience, and it most certainly is not about modesty. It's about not standing for the bullsh*t. It's about putting up a fight and saying enough is enough.

[angdefeo]

You get a "pat down" if you opt out of the scanner.

[ambitiousCK]

I would have stripped down butt ass naked in front of everyone and tell them to point out was i was hiding lol but thats just me, i have to problem with public nudity. This really is too bad though..hmmm wonder when im doing to be flying again lol

[jpalamar]

Good for that guy. Educated consumers are awsome.

[Scapegoat]

granted, this occurred in 2008

http://gizmodo.com/5692583/woman-sui...entire-airport

i don't trust those assholes one bit. most of those "security agents" are your run of the mill undereducated dip ****s who barely passed highschool and opted not to go to college. they are not highly trained respected, or respectful, human beings. and i refuse to let them gawk or lay their hands on me or my girlfriend.

[jpalamar]

Ken, they were looking for a titty bomb. Everyone knows that lol

[Import Junky]

I would go ballistic if they tried to do that to my wife. I swear on my kid, I'd have no problem knocking one of those assholes out and going to jail for it.

[3rdGenMr2Girl]

I'm going to disagree here. The government DID take away a lot of our rights after 9/11. That's non negotiable. However, you KNOW what you're getting into when you fly. With or without TSA machines, everyone is subject to a pat down. Is it right? Absolutely not. Is it worth making a scene when you voluntarily went to an airport where you knew the security is extremely high? Nope.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by 3rdGenMr2Girl

I'm going to disagree here. The government DID take away a lot of our rights after 9/11. That's non negotiable. However, you KNOW what you're getting into when you fly. With or without TSA machines, everyone is subject to a pat down. Is it right? Absolutely not. Is it worth making a scene when you voluntarily went to an airport where you knew the security is extremely high? Nope.

It isn't fair that the people that go throug the metal detector aren't subject to the headaches from the body scanners.

[3rdGenMr2Girl]

No it's not. But in airports, random people are often selected. I've been selected for additional security checks. It's the risk you take and the rights you give up to fly. Everyone knows how it is. If you don't like it, don't fly. It's that simple.

[jpalamar]

Originally Posted by 3rdGenMr2Girl

No it's not. But in airports, random people are often selected. I've been selected for additional security checks. It's the risk you take and the rights you give up to fly. Everyone knows how it is. If you don't like it, don't fly. It's that simple.

Its funny that they can randomly select people in an airport but if a cop asks a Mexican to prove they are legal... all hell breaks loose.

[Scapegoat]

Originally Posted by 3rdGenMr2Girl

I'm going to disagree here. The government DID take away a lot of our rights after 9/11. That's non negotiable. However, you KNOW what you're getting into when you fly. With or without TSA machines, everyone is subject to a pat down. Is it right? Absolutely not. Is it worth making a scene when you voluntarily went to an airport where you knew the security is extremely high? Nope.

Originally Posted by 3rdGenMr2Girl

No it's not. But in airports, random people are often selected. I've been selected for additional security checks. It's the risk you take and the rights you give up to fly. Everyone knows how it is. If you don't like it, don't fly. It's that simple.

and that is your right to accept the government to burden you and take away your rights.

The linked story however is not just about opting out of the scanner, then refusing to be patted down. he was told by an "agent" after he refused both that he has to leave then. he went to leave and was stopped by a manager who told him he couldn't leave and that he would be fined 10k (now 11k) and a lawsuit would be brought against him b/c leaving was against policy... after being told by a "trained" agent that he has to leave the airport.

this isn't total recall, this isn't a police state. the government has slowly been eroding our rights in an attempt to watch us at home, watch us online, listen to us in private and now scan us and perform evasive, crotch grabbing, pat downs.

did you know that on the scanning machine that inserted tampons look like dynamite?

this isn't about security... it's about the government taking away freedoms and privacy

[3rdGenMr2Girl]

and as i said, i don't agree with it. but right now, it's a fact of life. if you aren't willing to give up your rights, don't fly. you think i enjoy having my rights taken away? absolutely not.

[Scapegoat]

Originally Posted by 3rdGenMr2Girl

and as i said, i don't agree with it. but right now, it's a fact of life. if you aren't willing to give up your rights, don't fly. you think i enjoy having my rights taken away? absolutely not.

but thats the point. by giving into it you are making it a fact of life. it was a fact of life that great britian was over taxing and treating the american colonies like ****, until our fore fathers did something about it. sitting around and letting it happen to you is no different bring it upon yourself.

whats next? scanners at the mall? philly games? mcdonalds? in 10 years it won't just be airports.

i'd be happier if this wasnt a government agency that cares little for our 4th amendment and was the airlines instead requiring tougher screening. we're their clients boarding their planes.

Originally Posted by Benjamin Franklin

He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.

[jpalamar]

What guy wants to put on their resume... 'i grab people's johnson for TSA'.

[rodder]

I can't believe some of the comments at the bottom of the page...

To all of the people saying, "if you don't like the rules, don't fly." - what happens when terrorists start blowing up buses and driving explosive-laden vehicles into buildings like they do in the middle eastern countries?

Anal probes conducted by TSA flunkies to get on a public bus because it's "for your own safety"? How about strip searches and vehicle x rays at every toll booth along the highway? The people who don't see where this is leading us are gonna wake up one day in a prison they've created themselves... but hey, at least they won't get blown up by a terrorist!

How about this... if you're so scurred of being blown up by terrists, instead of forcing the rest of us to be molested every time we wish to board a plane why don't YOU drive or take a ****ing train??

Hell, if our founding fathers thought the way these people do (follow the proper channels, follow the rules, it's for your own good, yada yada) our country wouldn't even exist!

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin

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[rodder]

Originally Posted by 3rdGenMr2Girl

and as i said, i don't agree with it. but right now, it's a fact of life. if you aren't willing to give up your rights, don't fly. you think i enjoy having my rights taken away? absolutely not.

but see that's not how it works... the TSA is a government agent, which means they are bound by the same rules the govt is bound by, specifically the 4th Amendment to the US Constitution, which protects us against unreasonable searches and seizures without due process.

What the TSA is doing is flatly and blatantly illegal and they know it. A government contract does not supersede the constitution.

Read my previous post to see what will happen when we just continue to give up our rights in the name of some perceived "safety". Besides, the countries who have actually been dealing with terrorism for decades don't use any of these techniques because they are ineffective and don't increase safety anyway.

Ask yourself what is the real reason the government is conditioning us to be tolerant of intrusions on our privacy when it's not effective at what they claim it's for in the first place? What are we being conditioned for?

First we had the shoe bomber and everybody started having to take off their shoes... then we had the underwear bomber now everyone has to be scanned or groped... what happens when someone shoves a bomb up their asshole and pulls it out and detonates it mid-flight? Million dollar xray machines paid for by the taxpayers (who already owe over $250K per person in federal government debt) and anal probes if you refuse? Where does it end?

Anyone who thinks these intrusions of privacy in the name of "safety" and "it's for your own good" will stop here is either delusional or completely unfamiliar with history.

Anyone see V for Vendetta? We are quickly moving towards a police state in which the government can do basically anything it wants in the name of public safety.

The solution, of course, to the government's meddling is to simply stop them from meddling... Imagine how nice it would be if airlines could make their own safety rules... Some people would fly super cheap on some airlines because they wouldn't molest and scan every passenger, while the paranoid and insecure could fly on a different airline that charges more for tickets in exchange for more stringent passenger screenings. If you're scared of terrorists blowing up your plane and don't mind being molested by a high school drop out, go ahead and pay the extra money. Of course all the screening procedures in the world wouldn't stop a truly determined terrorist, so you'd still be at risk either way... unless of course you flew Rodder Air... where passengers fly butt-assed nekkid and are each equipped with both a 9mm handgun and a parachute - terrorist problem solved.

[3rdGenMr2Girl]

^ but the point is, unless every person who flies revolts, nothing will change. it's illegal, against the constitution, and wrong. i don't disagree in the slightest. i don't believe security should be NEARLY as invasive as it is now. i also don't believe it's for our own good. i don't want to be groped by security any more than you do. good for that guy for standing up for what he believes in. i was merely saying that you KNOW how it is when you fly. i'm by no means saying it's right, but right now, that's how it is. if everyone refused to be submitted to invasive searches, you better believe i'd be one of them. but until then, if i paid 600 dollars for a plane ticket, and i KNOWINGLY go to the airport knowing the intense security, i'm going to suck it up so i can make my flight.

[jpalamar]

Rodder, I like your thinking. A little more extreme them me, but we are def on the same track.