Anyone notice this too? (RON PAUL)

[zuki19]

http://youtu.be/pPxPqgGrZaY

Getting cheated out of all the polls and no time to speak anymore? our country has gone to sh*t

[DC2.2GSR]

Originally Posted by zuki19

http://youtu.be/pPxPqgGrZaY

Getting cheated out of all the polls and no time to speak anymore? our country has gone to sh*t

Of course he gets cheated out of everything. He's a huge problem for the "powers that be" who already have an unfathomable amount of wealth invested into their other pre-chosen leaders. They own the media giants and they choose who gets what coverage. It's all a rigged game. We might as well just laugh at it all as it happens because there isn't a damn thing we can do about it. The chance of having a real, truly elected president has passed us by a long time ago. In my opinion, the only thing we'll get out of this election is a little more public awareness about some matters that Paul feels strongly about. Hopefully, that public awareness will eventually snowball and create some real change (and no, not the BHO kind).

(Now I'll wait patiently for Proven chime in and call me a conspiracy theorist and tell me that I'm crazy. Also - zuki19, you'll be called a tinfoil hat wearing nutjob for linking to Infowars. Don't worry about it, it's normal. People can't handle truth even when the facts are laid out right in front of them.)

[Proven]

Originally Posted by DC2.2GSR

Of course he gets cheated out of everything. He's a huge problem for the "powers that be" who already have an unfathomable amount of wealth invested into their other pre-chosen leaders. They own the media giants and they choose who gets what coverage. It's all a rigged game. We might as well just laugh at it all as it happens because there isn't a damn thing we can do about it. The chance of having a real, truly elected president has passed us by a long time ago. In my opinion, the only thing we'll get out of this election is a little more public awareness about some matters that Paul feels strongly about. Hopefully, that public awareness will eventually snowball and create some real change (and no, not the BHO kind).

(Now I'll wait patiently for Proven chime in and call me a conspiracy theorist and tell me that I'm crazy. Also - zuki19, you'll be called a tinfoil hat wearing nutjob for linking to Infowars. Don't worry about it, it's normal. People can't handle truth even when the facts are laid out right in front of them.)

Not going to call anyone a tin foil hat nut job in this thread because the evidence is there, Ron Paul IS getting ignored by the media and the party he's running for. It would be different if this was about missiles accidentally being launched off the coast of Cali, Terrorist training camp at ground zero, or Obama wants to kill your granny thread though.

There's a lot I do like about RP but him wanting to eliminate the EPA and thinking the free market will fix our problems I just can't get past. I think those key things (along with some other minor ones) is what stops him from getting support from dems... And the fact that he's not willing to be a puppet for billionaires is what stops him from getting support from the Repub's (although a lot of what he stands for benefits them, if they can't control him, they don't want him).

He's a different kinda guy and I do respect you for supporting him!!!

[215DC5]

I support fuhrer Ron Paul

[FocusDude]

I was about to start a all RP2012 poll since he is looking so hot in Iowa- Word on the street is Barry has a Billion stashed for campaigning. Your able to buy a lot of aging and inept votes with that...

Originally Posted by Proven

There's a lot I do like about RP but him wanting to eliminate the EPA and thinking the free market will fix our problems I just can't get past. I think those key things (along with some other minor ones) is what stops him from getting support from dems... And the fact that he's not willing to be a puppet for billionaires is what stops him from getting support from the Repub's (although a lot of what he stands for benefits them, if they can't control him, they don't want him).

The EPA is a bloated joke. That's all. How can a community of 1000+ senior homes and a golf course get approved faster a then a expanding fire house for a hugely developed area. F them do nothings. We need to start a new.

Now to reality, most of what he want's to do will never get passed. Between the far left and left of center rightists, you really think the EPA would be abolished?
We need someone to slow things down and take a UNBIASED look at things. It's obvious the Republicans want nothing to do with him, he's un-controllable. More reason to elect him-

Free Markets..... Franny and Mack own some ridiculous number, like. Half as much or more, net value of out standing home loans then Bank of America, the nations largest private home loan institute.. And who has more problems? I got my money in a credit union, now who is paying more???? And BoA was bailed out by our government, the biggest problem in all this. The government has no idea or role in the mortgage business, None!

The lack of oversight by the Fed and the rest of our bloated bureaucratic nonsense over the past decade or so is to blame for the economy's failure. The government FORCING companies to make risky home loans so everything is fair. How you can't see government blame all over everything is beyond me, I need to borrow your blinders-

Im not sure the private market has the best of you and me in mind when it's decision time. But its proven that our elected officials and those appointed can't be trusted either. Honestly about now, I'm willing to give anything a shot.

Our greatest expeditions and risks are taking by people with way, way, way, to much money. I appreciate that, many don't.

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by FocusDude

I was about to start a all RP2012 poll since he is looking so hot in Iowa- Word on the street is Barry has a Billion stashed for campaigning. Your able to buy a lot of aging and inept votes with that...



The EPA is a bloated joke. That's all. How can a community of 1000+ senior homes and a golf course get approved faster a then a expanding fire house for a hugely developed area. F them do nothings. We need to start a new.

Now to reality, most of what he want's to do will never get passed. Between the far left and left of center rightists, you really think the EPA would be abolished?
We need someone to slow things down and take a UNBIASED look at things. It's obvious the Republicans want nothing to do with him, he's un-controllable. More reason to elect him-

Free Markets..... Franny and Mack own some ridiculous number, like. Half as much or more, net value of out standing home loans then Bank of America, the nations largest private home loan institute.. And who has more problems? I got my money in a credit union, now who is paying more???? And BoA was bailed out by our government, the biggest problem in all this. The government has no idea or role in the mortgage business, None!

The lack of oversight by the Fed and the rest of our bloated bureaucratic nonsense over the past decade or so is to blame for the economy's failure. The government FORCING companies to make risky home loans so everything is fair. How you can't see government blame all over everything is beyond me, I need to borrow your blinders-

Im not sure the private market has the best of you and me in mind when it's decision time. But its proven that our elected officials and those appointed can't be trusted either. Honestly about now, I'm willing to give anything a shot.

Our greatest expeditions and risks are taking by people with way, way, way, to much money. I appreciate that, many don't.

You are mostly right on here.


The free market can and will fix any problem that it encounters. The biggest obstacles that few people want to talk about....the Federal Reserve manipulating the value of our dollar, add to that mix a mess of labor unions manipulating the actual value of labor by purchasing politicians, etc....and you get a large mess. The free market cannot exist with these problems.


Mr. Proven has zero faith in himself, he would rather trust a dept. of bureaucrats to blow his money to take rights away from everyone else.

Misconceptions about Ron Paul....everyone thinks he wants to legalize drug use. He doesn't. He wants to put that power where it belongs....in the STATES! End this stupid Federal drug war and save billions of dollars People say his foreign policy is weak. Bull. He will stand up to anyone that causes a problem and bomb the crap out of them...he just won't rebuild them after we destroy them. We hand billions of dollars to third world hell-holes that don't give a crap about us. It needs to stop.

[Proven]

Originally Posted by poolmike

add to that mix a mess of labor unions manipulating the actual value of labor by purchasing politicians, etc....and you get a large mess. The free market cannot exist with these problems.

One thing I Love about RP is he feels Big Business should NOT have politicians lobbying for them and if I'm correct he feels Corporate Money has no place in Politics!!!

Unions are only to blame for the middle class... The middle class wouldn't exist without Unions!. Most of our nations Pools are owned by the middle class (that's more work for you, right?) .... Imagine no middle class, or at least no Minimum wage (which Unions created and I imagine you want gone). That's less people able to buy things equaling less jobs and opportunity for all including yourself.. Imagine less people able to afford a car and all the jobs that kills (gas station, parts, mechanics, etc) and the loss of jobs/opportunity from less people being able to eat out, go to the movies, the mall, etc etc.

However, I do wish Unions were more strict on its member's when it comes to them not working hard!

Originally Posted by poolmike

Mr. Proven has zero faith in himself, he would rather trust a dept. of bureaucrats to blow his money to take rights away from everyone else.

I have plenty of Faith in myself! And like I say in every debate we have - I KNOW Gov. isn't all perfect!! But, rather then just throw it out, I spend time seeing how much it actually benefited this Country and pushing for ways to make it better.

[SovXietday]

Originally Posted by Proven

However, I do wish Unions were more strict on its member's when it comes to them not working hard!

That there be job security. If Unions payed by the job and not by the hour things would be quite a bit different. But that has it's own complications.

I don't think you have to agree or disagree with any of RPs statements. In the end, if he makes it to presidency he will not be able to put many of his ideas into place due to the check and balance powers that are in place.

However, RP making presidency will change how the world thinks about elections. It will reinvigorate the election process in the people of the US by quite a bit. Basically just shows that you can't buy presidency anymore, you actually have to have the **** to back it up. That's why I would like to see RP make it, and why the way he is treated pisses me off so much.

[01NightHawk]

Originally Posted by Proven

However, I do wish Unions were more strict on its member's when it comes to them not working hard!

I agree.... wish they would kick out those that don't do their job at all!


Perfect example is the jackass in the HR of the company I just applied for. Clearly he does not enjoy his job let alone did he want to deal with me and the application process. I was pretty much guaranteed the job due to connections but he would never answer his phone, just ring and go to voicemail EVERY time. Until he saw an opportunity to give someone else my spot and then all of a sudden i follow up and get an answer immediately as i call, just to hear him say i lost the position.

2nd time a union has ****ed me over....



RP in office would at least wake up more Americans and hopefully light a fire under many ass's by having to listen to what he has to say vs getting muted during debates on tv...

[poolmike]

Originally Posted by Proven

One thing I Love about RP is he feels Big Business should NOT have politicians lobbying for them and if I'm correct he feels Corporate Money has no place in Politics!!!

Unions are only to blame for the middle class... The middle class wouldn't exist without Unions!. Most of our nations Pools are owned by the middle class (that's more work for you, right?) .... Imagine no middle class, or at least no Minimum wage (which Unions created and I imagine you want gone). That's less people able to buy things equaling less jobs and opportunity for all including yourself.. Imagine less people able to afford a car and all the jobs that kills (gas station, parts, mechanics, etc) and the loss of jobs/opportunity from less people being able to eat out, go to the movies, the mall, etc etc.

However, I do wish Unions were more strict on its member's when it comes to them not working hard!



I have plenty of Faith in myself! And like I say in every debate we have - I KNOW Gov. isn't all perfect!! But, rather then just throw it out, I spend time seeing how much it actually benefited this Country and pushing for ways to make it better.

Unions are a major part in the destruction of the free market. Can't get a pay increase based on your own merit or work ethic? No worries, join a union! Some people thanks unions for weekend off. I thank my clients for the days I have work. You DON'T understand economics or the free market.

[Fujito]

I'm a big RP supporter. He is right on money about the economy. I fully agree with his foreign policy. He stands for the Constitution, even if it goes against his personal values like gay marriage, abortion, and drug use. It is the person's choice! Get religion out of politics!

[Proven]

Originally Posted by poolmike

Unions are a major part in the destruction of the free market. Can't get a pay increase based on your own merit or work ethic? No worries, join a union! Some people thanks unions for weekend off. I thank my clients for the days I have work. You DON'T understand economics or the free market.

If the Free market was completely free since day one there would only be 2 classes today, The upper class (which would be even smaller then it is today) and the lower class.

Unions only played a part in regulating the Free market which in turned played a huge role in creating middle class and their wealth (the largest consumer in this nation). Everyone with a job today can thank Unions whether or not your in one!!! To be fair, yes, Unions sometimes push to far and should not allow ****ty workers within.

In your last sentence you say that I DON'T understand economics. OK, fair enough, but explain to me that Without that large group of consumers (middle class and their wealth fought for by Unions) how our economy would be better?? Would there be more consumers? (demand). If there's no demand would their be a need for jobs? (to create supply)..

[FocusDude]

Bump up cause NH was awesome, and SC is coming real soon.

RP2012!!!

[OMGz Turbo]

Originally Posted by poolmike

Unions are a major part in the destruction of the free market. Can't get a pay increase based on your own merit or work ethic? No worries, join a union! Some people thanks unions for weekend off. I thank my clients for the days I have work. You DON'T understand economics or the free market.

Any more mike, I thank GOD when i have work. Because it isn't promised and this TIME BOMB of a economy we are in.....Well lets just say that my daughters future isn't as secure as i would like it to be.


Im neither for him or against him, i dont do politics because IMO they are all dirty in one way or another some just hide it WAY better then others do.

[Fujito]

Ron Paul all the way.

[FocusDude]

Originally Posted by OMGz Turbo

Any more mike, I thank GOD when i have work. Because it isn't promised and this TIME BOMB of a economy we are in.....Well lets just say that my daughters future isn't as secure as i would like it to be.


Im neither for him or against him, i dont do politics because IMO they are all dirty in one way or another some just hide it WAY better then others do.

Feel the same way about the kids future, can't lie-

All I'm gonna ask is that you please look in to RP. There is nothing shady about this cat. Just a dude who has been screaming whats right for 3 decades.

[DC2.2GSR]

Isn't it amazing how Ron Paul picks up the endorsement of Tom Davis - something that each candidate has said would be huge - and there's not a single mention of it anywhere, on any mainstream news website? The only thing that makes headlines is Huntsman dropping out and how he endorses Romney. F**king pathetic. They're all literally ignoring him altogether.

[Proven]

Originally Posted by DC2.2GSR

Isn't it amazing how Ron Paul picks up the endorsement of Tom Davis - something that each candidate has said would be huge - and there's not a single mention of it anywhere, on any mainstream news website? The only thing that makes headlines is Huntsman dropping out and how he endorses Romney. F**king pathetic. They're all literally ignoring him altogether.

Most of the right wing media is ignoring RP because RP ACTUALLY wants small Government. They (the right wing) just use the terminology cause it sounds good and builds ratings, that's it...

If you want new's on RP start watching / reading MSNBC -

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46007601.../#.TxTGV_n4IYo

If you watch FOX you'll only hear about the candidates that will make them money.

[Fujito]

Originally Posted by Proven

Most of the right wing media is ignoring RP because RP ACTUALLY wants small Government. They (the right wing) just use the terminology cause it sounds good and builds ratings, that's it...

If you want new's on RP start watching / reading MSNBC -

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46007601.../#.TxTGV_n4IYo

If you watch FOX you'll only hear about the candidates that will make them money.

They all ignore and dismiss him. It's not a Right versus Left issue--it's the Establishment.

Out of all the pundits to attack Ron Paul CNN is by far the worst. FOX Business has Freedom Watch, and Judge Napolitano is an avid supporter of Paul. Cavuto also seems to support Ron Paul even though he will never admit that.

[DC2.2GSR]

Originally Posted by Proven

Most of the right wing media is ignoring RP because RP ACTUALLY wants small Government. They (the right wing) just use the terminology cause it sounds good and builds ratings, that's it...

If you want new's on RP start watching / reading MSNBC -

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46007601.../#.TxTGV_n4IYo

If you watch FOX you'll only hear about the candidates that will make them money.

There you go again with the right-left thing. Contrary to popular belief, you don't have to pick a side. It's possible to choose a candidate whose ideals are most similar to your own and to support that candidate without ever bringing left/right or rep/dem into it. It's far past time to abandon that ridiculous idea and focus on the best possible option for the Presidency, no matter who or what they are.

I understand what you're trying to point out in this case, but MSNBC is just as self-serving and is as guilty of bias as Fox, no matter how you slice it.