If I have to I can drop the motor back in and put the starter on. Put the breaker bar on the bolt and lay it against the ground, then bump the starter. Thats worked in the past and probably would here too... but if I can keep the engine on the stand it would just be a lot easier that way.
This is really holding me up though... need to change the timing belt, water pump, thermostat, lower cover, front main seal, etc. Trying to make progress here!
And yeah I tried tightening it for a few blips then going back to loosening, still didnt do it