[Bane]

I unfortunately missed the debacle that started in that thread, it was overflowing the dam when I arrived on scene but you had posted that you received the correct information which is the total opposite of what he posted. What 204 posted was more of a suggestion to how he recommended a situation with a firearm be handled, he just did it in a force it down your throat type of way which is very undiplomatic. 204 works in a HORRIBLE area, the man deals with situations that can get him killed everyday. Not saying it can't happen to any officer but he has to step his game up in every situation because it can go south with the quickness where he works. Guns where he comes from means something did, is or will happen and he can't afford to take the chance so he comes heavy with it plain and simple it keeps him and his partners alive. He took that mentality and dropped it onto a automotive forum, a situation where he can chain the dogs up and just answer what needs to be answered and he failed to do so. It went down wrong and just got messy, plain and simple.

NO you DO NOT have to tell me you have a weapon on your person or in your vehicle if I stop you.

If I am taking you out of the car for any reason use whatever judgment you feel is necessary for the situation to go smoothly. That is not me saying you have to handle yourself any specific way I'm just saying think ahead to how the situation might play out and if you think its a good time to let the officer know you have a weapon on you then do so, if not so be it. I am going to conduct myself the way I always do regardless of what you decide, if you have a gun on you and the situation dictates it I'm going to find it anyway. This DOES NOT mean I am going to go off the handle and you will eat pavement, BUT what it will mean is that if I am hands on with you and it is now apparent you are carrying a weapon the course of events that follow may not go down how you want them, but that is something you have no choice but to deal with. It is IMPOSSIBLE to describe the exact course of events for every scenario an person with a LTCF and an officer can go through, there will always be an unhappy customer but this is a situation that we deal with.

I work in PA, I deal with people carrying guns all the time never once has anyone ever filed a complaint against me for my conduct or actions in a situation where I disarmed an individual who was lawfully carrying (strangely non of these positive situations has ended up on YouTube nor have any of the others I have been involved in with other officers). I probably own more guns that all of you combined. I have more automatic weapons than our regional swat team, I belong to the NRA, I attend 3 gun competitions, I go the the Knob Creek machine gun shoot every year I ****ing love guns! BUT ill tell you what, there is not a more arrogant, self righteous, "we know our rights **** off and die" group of individuals than gun owners. I can take away someones god given right of freedom easier than I can secure a weapon on an individual who I am putting into the back of my police car. Second amendment supporters are the quickest to jump on the soap box and declare their rights while at the same time condemning other actions as "hasty and forced" when they themselves will immediately take a stand and are the last to have a civil discussion with someone. Lines like "well im the police" can be replaced with "well its my right" and "I need you to cooperate" can be replaced with "you don't understand". Luckily for me I have the testicular fortitude of a Greek God and I can tolerate said situations and they can be resolved amicably, with or without the help of the other individual.