thanks guys for all your input.
cburwell- modding the maxima is useless in my eyes, its a 3.0, not the 3.5, it would be fighting a winless war.
1988 Olds- rustang is out of the question, i really wanna stay away from rwd, around me the snow melts before they get around to plowing the streets and even a light dusting is instant death for any rwd cars. and i never said i didnt want a turbo car. i just dont want a car thats n/a and throw a turbo on there because there goes the reliability factor, i also dont want another car that i have to constantly keep tuning. wrx would be awesome but cant afford
99SL2_Modder- i will never own a saturn
turbotool- i forgot to add that i have a rare disease that stictly prohibits me from ever owning a car with only 2 pedals. but yes my friend used to own a gtp (now has a srt4), and it the gtp was a quick car, wish it came in stick.
TurboTagTeam- i totally agree with you, u cant have fast, cheap, and reliable. 12k isnt "cheap", 13's arent "fast", and i really do need a reliable car.
well thanks everybody. so far me and my friends could come up with a few cars that i'd be happy with: 2000 civic si, 2002 civic si hatch, integra gsr, subaru 2.5rs (either gm6 style or 2002 style), 2002 jetta/gti 1.8t and vr6. my pick so far is a 2002 vw, i havent decided wheather i prefer a vr6 or 1.8t or jetta or gti yet. but im far from hell bent on it. if anyone can come up with something else i'd be open to it, thanks again