Originally Posted by bastid
I agree with you that the bill will provide an outlet toward healthcare availability to those who are currently uninsured. To what extent it will effect the availability for those of us who have insurance already, we can only speculate that it will be delayed due to the demand in healthcare increasing.
Outside of that, I believe you are wrong. I would strongly urge you to take a basic economics course. You don't eliminate cost without eliminating the source of the cost. You can't just magically make fixed costs disappear without eliminating them directly. If, as you suggest, there are items in the bill that specifically detail how costs will be cut and quality will be increased (and I have read the bill), please point me to a specific line (or lines) that support it. I asked way earlier in this thread, and you chose to ignore the reply entirely.
One can only hope the new plan (whenever it is finalized and presented) opens up competition across state lines rather than public vs. private. Digital Records aren't addressed in the healthcare bill, they were addressed in the ARRA Stimulus Package (of which the cost savings are factored into the ARRA and not the Healthcare Bill).
Rrrright. First, it's not just about Obama. He's just the figurehead of a government that has gotten way out of control. He's made his fair share of poor decisions in my opinion, but he is not the quarterback calling the plays.
Please explain to me how ANY the following items are conspiracy theories:
1. Congress signs a $787 stimulus bill, forcing it through in less than 2 weeks without bothering to read it, with Obama in the foreground threatening that the economy would entirely collapse and meltdown if they didn't sign it. Then the vote is passed, and Obama waits nearly a week to execute the bill. Even now, less than 10% of the stimulus money has been spent.
2. Government pumps billions upon billions of taxpayer dollars and takes a substantial stake in GM under the premise that they are too big to fail. Obama notes that a GM bankruptcy would be utterly catastrophic. Within months, they go bankrupt anyway under the governments guidance after pissing away tens of billions of dollars.
3. Certain banks get ridiculous sums of money under the premise that they are also too big to fail. Wall Street gets a bump, yet little is done to correct the risky behavior banks partake in which largely got us into this whole mess.
4. CEOs are scorned for wasteful spending of private planes while the President takes his wife on dates which cost north of $1,000,000 a piece. Nancy Pelosi uses a whole ****load of taxpayer money to travel lavishly all the damned time.
5. Obama runs on a platform of transparency, yet gives unprecedented monetary control to the Fed, where billions upon billions of dollars can be given out without ANY obligation to disclose where or to whom this money is going.
6. Obama appoints people of questionable background. Obama's Special Adviser on Green Jobs was Van Jones until he resigned last week. Van Jones is a "Truther," meaning that he believes that the government staged 9/11 and/or covered it up. How anyone would give this guy direct access to the President let alone set him up as an adviser is way beyond me.
Need I continue? Yeah, there's a lot of bull**** being propagated by both sides. But to state that there aren't clear cut reasons why many of these people are pissed is dead wrong.
I think those who are easily scared by twisted truths probably voted against Obama in the first place under the same premises they believed before (he's a communist, a terrorist, etc.). If they were really smart, "they" would be relentlessly going for those who are in the middle. Those who voted for Obama, yet are put off for the reasons (or "conspiracy theories" in your eyes) I listed above. What other news is a "BS" source as you describe? Last I checked, nearly every other channel outside of Fox has been propping up Obama as the second coming of Christ. Fox outed Van Jones on July 23rd, yet no one else picked it up for 6 weeks following. Fox also outed ACORN over their "prostitution" incidences over the past couple days, yet no other main stream media outlet covered it. Strange....
News flash, GE is one of the most capitalistic, evil-by-your-standards, corporations in the world. They own NBC, a fairly left news outlet. Jeff Immelt, the CEO of GE, is a known supporter of Obama. He also runs large capital and green energy divisions that are crucial to GE's growing even larger moving forward. To state that "big business" is only attempting to pull the strings of Republicans to protect their own interests is silly. And this doesn't even scratch the surface of billions of dollars going to the UAW who is a VERY strong democratic voter-base.
Again, you are painting broad brushstrokes across the entire demographic of those who oppose decisions made by the current administration and congress as being "right-wing nutjobs" based on a majority left-wing media's (NBC, ABC, CNN, etc) depiction of these events. On one hand, you are accusing the right of getting brainwashed from Fox, yet on the other hand you are also getting your news from the left, who have done a nice job in their own regard with spinning facts *cough* the guy with the AR-15 in Arizona was a democrat *cough*. Again, hypocrisy at it's finest.
What information and/or money/gifts have I received from the super rich, news media, insurance companies, Lockheed, etc. etc.?
Out of charity? Voluntarily? Under my own free will? Yes. I donate a few grand a year to a few charitable causes I believe in.
Involuntarily? No. That removes free will from the equation.
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